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Franchise
02-23-07, 10:17 AM
awesome SEorm9c0c7w&mode=related&search
mathmajors
02-23-07, 10:19 AM
more Buffalo injuries. gotta love that.
Not sure I have ever seen to goalies go at it like that!
solarte1969
02-23-07, 10:27 AM
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Pat Roy v Chris Osgood
Franchise
02-23-07, 10:31 AM
Not sure I have ever seen to goalies go at it like that!
seen it a few times now, its always better in minor league hockey, they aren't on tv, and really go at it.
Wonder if Biron knew Emery is a boxer? He gets sack points though, he just skated in ready to roll.
Thats old school hockey, love it.
Franchise
02-23-07, 11:21 AM
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gridfaniker
02-23-07, 11:57 AM
hit on Drury was high and late. I can't believe that lisping, cocksucker Murray sent Spezza, Heatly and Alfredsson out there for the faceoff and then wondered how a brawl could possibly have started.
saturday's game is gonna be sick. too bad it's on CBC only around here.
Buffalo's Peters and Ottawa's McGratton will square off.
solarte1969
02-23-07, 12:39 PM
hit on Drury was high and late. I can't believe that lisping, cocksucker Murray sent Spezza, Heatly and Alfredsson out there for the faceoff and then wondered how a brawl could possibly have started.
saturday's game is gonna be sick. too bad it's on CBC only around here.
Buffalo's Peters and Ottawa's McGratton will square off.
that game on Saturday makes me wish I had the hockey package now. :(
gridfaniker
02-23-07, 02:25 PM
that game on Saturday makes me wish I had the hockey package now. :(
no kidding. there are three or four games all season that I can't get because they're broadcast only on CBC. that's one of them.
Wise One
02-23-07, 04:14 PM
One thing about Hockey, they don't just talk smack. They square off and get it on.
:massage:
Wonder if Biron knew Emery is a boxer?
Bet he shit his pants when Emery took off his mask and Biron saw he was black. I need to see it all again, I only caught a glimpse and I can't acess YinzTube at work. Solarte, I've got the package. I'll PM you directions.
solarte1969
02-23-07, 04:35 PM
Bet he shit his pants when Emery took off his mask and Biron saw he was black. I need to see it all again, I only caught a glimpse and I can't acess YinzTube at work. Solarte, I've got the package. I'll PM you directions.
Need me to bring anything?
chipshot
02-23-07, 05:48 PM
Bet he shit his pants when Emery took off his mask and Biron saw he was black. I need to see it all again, I only caught a glimpse and I can't acess YinzTube at work. Solarte, I've got the package. I'll PM you directions.
Why would he be scared of him becuase he's black?
Franchise
02-23-07, 05:57 PM
Why would he be scared of him becuase he's black?
speaking of black, Canes acquired Anson Carter today.
solarte1969
02-23-07, 09:10 PM
Why would he be scared of him becuase he's black?
2 reasons:
1- Biron is French Canadian (translation=he's soft as tissue)
2- Emery trains as a boxer.
Color has nothing to do with it. it was Mike Tyson v. Canesin4....clad to see Peters (big dude #76) step in and protect his keeper.
chipshot
02-24-07, 12:49 AM
Color has nothing to do with it.
Thats why I asked Playa why he would be scared because the other dude was black. These guys are all big enough to handle themselves without regard to color. Either they are really tough MFer's or not so much but a 6'2" 220 lb white guy shouldn't be scared of a 6'2" 220lb black guy just because of color.
solarte1969
02-24-07, 02:33 AM
Biron is a good goalie, but a chick when it comes to throwing hands....Emery is a bad MF.
PantherPaul
02-24-07, 08:38 AM
They were making a big issue how when the goalie went at it with a non goalie after the initial goalie on goalie fight the team mates of the black goalie didn't step in to help him. After reading this that he trains as well I see why. The extra goalie gear might have worked as a boxing equalizer.
Looking forward to Sportscenter Tonight. Payback is due
Franchise
02-24-07, 10:22 AM
They were making a big issue how when the goalie went at it with a non goalie after the initial goalie on goalie fight the team mates of the black goalie didn't step in to help him. After reading this that he trains as well I see why. The extra goalie gear might have worked as a boxing equalizer.
Looking forward to Sportscenter Tonight. Payback is due
thats what Rome was saying all day yesterday.
Biron is a good goalie, but a chick when it comes to throwing hands....Emery is a bad MF.
But, not it appears, as bad a MF as Peters, who whacked Emery's ass pretty good.
Pat Roy v Chris Osgood
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!
solarte1969
02-24-07, 03:06 PM
But, not it appears, as bad a MF as Peters, who whacked Emery's ass pretty good.
Peters was taking up for Biron--Biron just wanted to hang onto Emery and not throw punches--Emery took advantage, and Peters straightened Emery out quick.
BTW--Good for Lindy Ruff in this deal. They send my star player to the hospital, I send one of theirs to the morgue. Fronteir Justice, at its finest. I am no Lindy Ruff fan, but he handles things the right way. on the ice.
chipshot
02-24-07, 05:08 PM
How do goalies end up fighting? I suppose the fighting is cool in the same way that wrecks in nascar are cool.
They send my star player to the hospital, I send one of theirs to the morgue. Fronteir Justice, at its finest. I am no Lindy Ruff fan, but he handles things the right way. on the ice.
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It's crazy how talk like that is the norm for hockey but would be considered completely inaproppriate in any other sport.
Franchise
02-24-07, 05:27 PM
It's crazy how talk like that is the norm for hockey but would be considered completely inaproppriate in any other sport.
most people here don't understand hockey and the tradition of it. It's not crazy at all. It's just how you handle things in hockey...that's how it's been for over 50 years.
http://www.infoplease.com/spot/hockeyfighting1.html
To Protect and Serve
Is vigilante justice necessary in hockey?
by Michael Morrison
We've all heard the stereotypes commonly associated with hockey: "barbaric", "boxing on ice", "long on blood, short on teeth." And of course there's the always-popular saying, "I went to a fight and a hockey game broke out."
Are these slights legitimate? Well, maybe. But the fact is, unlike newspaper betting lines, NCAA office pools, and professional wrestling, fighting in hockey is not for entertainment purposes only. Many casual fans and anti-fighting activists don't understand that there is a method to the madness.
Why Drop the Gloves?
For the most part, fighters are in the league to "protect the skill players" — pugilists serve to keep the peace. For the league to thrive, smaller but talented stars like Anaheim's Paul Kariya and the Florida Panthers' Pavel Bure must be allowed the freedom to skate, pass, and shoot without the fear of being blindsided or slashed by a 6'4", 220 pound defenseman. With an "enforcer" keeping watch, players tend to think twice before taking liberties with these stars.
Kariya missed most of the 1997-98 season after suffering a concussion, thanks to a vicious cross-check to the face following a goal. Teammate and fellow star Teemu Selanne also missed time that season due to injury, and the team missed the playoffs.
To prevent this from happening again, Anaheim bulked up by signing long-time and well-respected fighter Stu Grimson, a.k.a "The Grim Reaper." In 1998-99, Selanne and Kariya ranked No. 2 and 3 in the scoring race, Grimson was in the top 25 in penalty minutes, and their team finished above .500 and earned a playoff berth.
Selanne recently told The Hockey News, "Just having him in the lineup, the other team knows they can't do any dirty things. Opponents can play hard, they can play tough, but they have to play clean."
In a perfect world, referees would catch all the cheap shots and flagrant fouls, and vigilante justice wouldn't be necessary. The stark reality is that they can't possibly catch everything. Even if they did, it might not completely put a halt to foul play.
Right or wrong, most coaches would risk having one of their less-talented players take a penalty and a game misconduct to take a run at the other team's star, if it meant knocking the star from the game.
A Brief History of Hockey Fighting
Fighting on the whole, however, has been in decline since its peak in the mid-eighties, when games averaged over one fight per game. Currently, just over .61 fights occur per game, the lowest total since the 1976-77 season.
In the 1950s and '60s fighting was actually pretty rare, but seemed to be more brutal than today, complete with stick-swinging and bench-clearing. It was also a time when stars did their own fighting without the luxury of calling on protection.
In the late 1960s expansion added six additional teams to the NHL. This lowered the level of talent across the board, and allowed for players with toughness and just a touch of skill to enter the league. In the 1970s, Boston's "Big Bad Bruins" and the "Broad Street Bullies" of Philadelphia won four championships between them, largely because of their ability to outmuscle their opponents.
In 1977, the "Third Man In" rule was enacted to do away with the bench-clearing brawl. The rule gave an automatic ejection to the first player to join a fight already in progress.
In the 1980s the Gretzky Era hit its stride, and so did fisticuffs. We all know "The Great One" was immensely talented, but at 6'0" and 185 pounds, was also an easy target for bigger, stronger players. His gaudy numbers with Edmonton in the 1980s would have been unlikely if not for the protection of less-heralded tough guys like Dave Semenko and Marty McSorley.
Today, fighting has diminished partly because of the newly implemented instigator rule, which awards an additional two-minute penalty to any player who starts a fight. Two in one game is grounds for ejection. Players are less likely to drop the gloves if it will cause their team to play shorthanded, especially in the all-important playoffs.
Some believe the allowance of fighting in the NHL is strictly financial, and that if fighting were abolished, fans would find the sport less interesting, and ratings would decrease. Well, they're right.
Not because fans necessarily love to watch fighting, but because without it, more stars like Kariya, Selanne and Peter Forsberg would be on the sidelines and scoring would fall to soccer-like levels. And that really would be less interesting.
Shit! I forgot the rematch was last night until M9H called and reminded me. I missed the 1st 2 fights watching the Canes game. Last I saw it was 4-1, can't believe it got tied up.
PantherPaul
02-25-07, 11:06 AM
Love watching Emery smiling the whole time. He loves the fisticuffs :FightenSmilie:
chipshot
02-25-07, 02:26 PM
the black dude may be a boxer but that doesn't he can stand there locked up with a guy 40 lbs heavier and take a beating....boxing is about strategy more than bruite force
chipshot
02-25-07, 02:36 PM
I somewhat understand that fighting is part of the game and always has been and that the enforcers keep their skill guys from getting thrown around. However it seems that now it's just the big guys fighting each other becuase of fights between the two the previous games. How does that figure into the equation when now it's just about fighting to fight?
They learn to fight so they don't have to fight.
solarte1969
02-25-07, 07:14 PM
It's crazy how talk like that is the norm for hockey but would be considered completely inaproppriate in any other sport.
Oh really? like say:
BASEBALL: Pitcher for team A brushes back/plunks my start hitter and Pitcher for Team B does likewise in the next inning?
BASKETBALL: Start player for team drives to the hoop and gets fouled hard, and then team B's player drives and the same happens to him?
FOOTBALL: Late hit on Team A QB finds its way to a late hit for Team B QB?
Don't get up on the soapbox saying hockey is different and its violence is accepted. It goes on in EVERY team sport. Soccer, lacrosse, you name it. Hell it happens in NASCAR for goodness sake.
chipshot
02-25-07, 10:39 PM
Oh really? like say:
BASEBALL: Pitcher for team A brushes back/plunks my start hitter and Pitcher for Team B does likewise in the next inning?
BASKETBALL: Start player for team drives to the hoop and gets fouled hard, and then team B's player drives and the same happens to him?
FOOTBALL: Late hit on Team A QB finds its way to a late hit for Team B QB?
Don't get up on the soapbox saying hockey is different and its violence is accepted. It goes on in EVERY team sport. Soccer, lacrosse, you name it. Hell it happens in NASCAR for goodness sake.
Yes, they fight in other sports and get blasted by the fans and media for doing so. In hockey you personally applauded them for it. Do you applaud the players involved in NBA fights or call them thugs?
I'm not trying to bash hockey, I know you love it. I just can't help but notice how differantly the media treats fights in hockey compared to other sports. When a fight spontaneously erupts in the NBA now and then all you hear for weeks is a bunch of self rightous BS and how the league is in shambles but when a hockey coach sends out his meanest to intentionally start a small riot it's commendable.
chipshot
02-25-07, 10:40 PM
They learn to fight so they don't have to fight.
Who are the best/most feard enforcers right now?
Hockey fans are so sensitive.
solarte1969
02-25-07, 11:31 PM
Yes, they fight in other sports and get blasted by the fans and media for doing so. In hockey you personally applauded them for it. Do you applaud the players involved in NBA fights or call them thugs?
I'm not trying to bash hockey, I know you love it. I just can't help but notice how differantly the media treats fights in hockey compared to other sports. When a fight spontaneously erupts in the NBA now and then all you hear for weeks is a bunch of self rightous BS and how the league is in shambles but when a hockey coach sends out his meanest to intentionally start a small riot it's commendable.
thing is, fights in hockey have been around since the game was invented. Not so much in baseball, basketball, football, and so on. Yet those that thing hockey is "barbaric" because of the fights (not pointing a figner at you mind you), only see the fights and say "LOOK LOOK!!! OUR KIDS SHOULDN"T SEE THIS!!!" I prefer hockey games without fights, because I am seeing the skill and speed and the game itself. But, when the situation calls for it, things get done. My role when I played was defenseman, but I was usually the first guy to help out one of my teammates if it got ugly, which I didn't mind at all.
It's a part of the game--for better or worse--and those that think it's just stupid are only half right. It's also necessary (at times).
Franchise
02-26-07, 10:29 AM
thing is, fights in hockey have been around since the game was invented. Not so much in baseball, basketball, football, and so on. Yet those that thing hockey is "barbaric" because of the fights (not pointing a figner at you mind you), only see the fights and say "LOOK LOOK!!! OUR KIDS SHOULDN"T SEE THIS!!!" I prefer hockey games without fights, because I am seeing the skill and speed and the game itself. But, when the situation calls for it, things get done. My role when I played was defenseman, but I was usually the first guy to help out one of my teammates if it got ugly, which I didn't mind at all.
It's a part of the game--for better or worse--and those that think it's just stupid are only half right. It's also necessary (at times).
couldn't be said better Solarte. I really believe you have to grow up with hockey to understand the facets of the game, and how it's played.
I would also throw in, fighting in hockey isn't like any other sport. I've never done it, but I would imagine fighting with skates, on ice, is pretty tough...so typically, in majority of fights the amount of "landed punches" would be around 4-6? I'm not sure, but I'd rather get in a fight on the ice, than have a pitcher throw a 99 mph fastball at my head just because he got pissed off because someone threw at his teammate.
chipshot
02-26-07, 11:17 AM
I've been watching alot of fights on youtube via hockeyfights.com....they land alot of punches and the fights are much more brutal than those from other sports.
Franchise
02-26-07, 11:47 AM
I've been watching alot of fights on youtube via hockeyfights.com....they land alot of punches and the fights are much more brutal than those from other sports.
of course. They won't show the thousands more fights that go: skate in, attempted punch, fall down, opposing dude lands on top, refs get in...fight over. Those won't be found on youtube, those are the boring ones. There are good brutal fights with the more experienced players, that keep their balance better, but for one of those, there are 5 fights that may land a punch of two, and the player falls down.
imking4aday
02-27-07, 04:52 PM
Just watch "Slapshot" - that's why there's fighting in hockey
solarte1969
03-02-07, 12:15 AM
Just watch "Slapshot" - that's why there's fighting in hockey
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