Legion Right move or not?

[Plate Dad]

I have been hearing though the grapevine (you know the one no one will own up to) that a few high school coaches have been using Legion to (in nice words) force their players to play and drop their summer teams. I thought that a high school coach would let his players play with other teams. I mean most players today have not seen a school team till high school. A player needs to expand beyond the high school team. If the whole team is the Legion team and it is about keeping them together OK. But if it's about control. Wrong!!! Let a player grow without the politics.

[Braves]

I have been hearing though the grapevine (you know the one no one will own up to) that a few high school coaches have been using Legion to (in nice words) force their players to play and drop their summer teams. I thought that a high school coach would let his players play with other teams. I mean most players today have not seen a school team till high school. A player needs to expand beyond the high school team. If the whole team is the Legion team and it is about keeping them together OK. But if it's about control. Wrong!!! Let a player grow without the politics.

I'm sure it goes on, but it is not a problem in Charlotte. The coaches in our area have grown to understand the importance of exposure; and support whatever direction a player decides.

"Summer team leagues" are the new players on the block. They would fall in line with what you described (keeping team together). It remains to be seen if this will become popular statewide.

[dpa3401]

You seem to be upset at a particular program or coach.
All coaches I have known simply incourage kids to play. When it comes back around to their high school teams they are going to play to win, which means playing the best kids possible, not punishing them for where they play summer ball. The only time I have ever heard or seen any coach pushing a kid one way or another is when it comes down to interfering with their high school teams.

It certainly seems like you are having a bad experience and if thats the case I think it is either a misunderstanding. which happens a lot when you first enter a new program, or a very isolated instance.

[Braves]

You seem to be upset at a particular program or coach.
All coaches I have known simply incourage kids to play. When it comes back around to their high school teams they are going to play to win, which means playing the best kids possible, not punishing them for where they play summer ball. The only time I have ever heard or seen any coach pushing a kid one way or another is when it comes down to interfering with their high school teams.

It certainly seems like you are having a bad experience and if thats the case I think it is either a misunderstanding. which happens a lot when you first enter a new program, or a very isolated instance.

dpa--- just to remind you: Watauga wins!!! Watauga wins!!! Watauga wins!!!! in 5 innings

[Plate Dad]

Not so much a coach or program. Just the few that act like that are the answer.

[dpa3401]

that's the plan!!!! Onward and upward

[tools]

I have been hearing though the grapevine (you know the one no one will own up to) that a few high school coaches have been using Legion to (in nice words) force their players to play and drop their summer teams. I thought that a high school coach would let his players play with other teams. I mean most players today have not seen a school team till high school. A player needs to expand beyond the high school team. If the whole team is the Legion team and it is about keeping them together OK. But if it's about control. Wrong!!! Let a player grow without the politics.

I think Plate Dad has issues, if you read his post, he is pushing the envelope in every discussion & has started a few controversial topics of his own.

[LClefty04]

Oh dont worry Tools, we have the best moderators around. Braves will take care of him if he steps out of line.

[Plate Dad]

Sorry, that I may have stepped on a toe. I look at it from the point of view that if a coach holds a player from playing where he feels comfortable or wants to feel the waters elsewhere. Why do it. It's about make a player better for the next level. Not just for thier glory. If I'm to far off base with it. Oh well. But, if a coach or program is offended by the truth. That is not my fault.

[Intimidator Coach]

:beatdeadhorse5:
:surrender:

well.. i could just throw in a bunch of chit chat that i know nothing about and really just make myself look dumber than i really am..oh wait,, thats what i'm doing..

hey platedad.. just let your son make the decision ... stay out of it.... unless your the legion coach or the school coach .. sit in the stands and watch...







:lurk5:

[tj21]

:stirthepot:


Btw, good to hear from ya IntimidatorCoach,,,,,,,, hope jr's doing fine.

[Intimidator Coach]

:stirthepot:


Btw, good to hear from ya IntimidatorCoach,,,,,,,, hope jr's doing fine.

lol @ jr...

[observer]

I'm just curious: Is playing sports in high school only about getting ready for the "next level"? Does anyone play for the love of the game anymore? Are there any parents out there who realize their son (or daughter) may be a very talented high school athlete, and it's okay if that's where it ends? Of course, we all want our children to excel and want to provide the best opportunities for them to succeed, but is there anybody out there that is happy with the fact that their child loves playing ball, appreciates the discipline and camaraderie it brings, and can send them out into the world to pursue another avenue of opportunity that has nothing to do with sports?

[One Putt]

I'm just curious: Is playing sports in high school only about getting ready for the "next level"? Does anyone play for the love of the game anymore? Are there any parents out there who realize their son (or daughter) may be a very talented high school athlete, and it's okay if that's where it ends? Of course, we all want our children to excel and want to provide the best opportunities for them to succeed, but is there anybody out there that is happy with the fact that their child loves playing ball, appreciates the discipline and camaraderie it brings, and can send them out into the world to pursue another avenue of opportunity that has nothing to do with sports?

I feel the same way. I was wondering when someone was going to post this. Whatever happened to playing for a love of the game? There are some very good athletes that don't play after high school. Does that make them a failure? Sometimes I get the impression that the parents want their kid to play after HS more than the kid. Whatever happened to having fun and getting a good education and going to a good university, or finding a good job?

The lessons you learn on the sports field help to lay a great foundation for great employees. This may sound strange but I only hire athletes. I've been that way for 23 years. They don't have to play in college. I just want people that are competitive, know how to play as a team, can multi-task and manage their time well (which athletes have to be able to do), and strive to achieve. And for what it's worth, I usually find better employees from the college ranks at D2 and D3 schools than D1.

[Baseball Cat]

Glad to see these post about for the love of the game. I have a son that is a HS Senior. The team he plays for has had a very successful season of which he has helped contribute to this success. He has been approached by several college coaches about signing with their programs. The schools that are interested in him are not schools he wishes to attend. Watching this process I became a typical frustrated parent. One night my son and I had a long conversation about baseball and attending college. On thing I found out was my child has spent countless hours researching where he wants to attend college to get a specific degree. The choice was narrowed down to two schools that have this specific degree he wants to attain. The school he will be attending this fall has spoke with him about trying out as a walk-on and that is what he plans on doing. He also made the comment that he loves playing baseball but it is not the end of the world if it does not work out. He is looking forward to graduating from high school and playing Legion ball this summer. All I can say is the young man is focused on what he wants to do with his future.

[Braves]

I love to read these posts. Baseball Cats' son has his head on his shoulders. You know he will be successful in whatever path he chooses to take.

A couple of things to keep in mind about TBR is this:

- The premise is that all players will hang their cleats up one day. The longer it is extended the better for them.
- The site provides information to parents/players how to get themselves prepared for those interested in the "next level". To my knowledge, there was not any information available in our state on "How to do this." What does one need to do their Soph, Junior and Senior year.

In no way does TBR want to detract from any player that loves the game. And no way does TBR want to be an "elite player" website. But it does want to continue to provide information to help those interested in the "next level".
And to continue to recognize players that that deserve recognition for their performance in a particular game. Your son may be the 9th batter on his team; He may be the utility player that plays little. But if he did something special to contribute to his team, he should be recognized for his performance.

For those that get little attention from their local newspaper; what better way to wake up the next morning and read a post about the heroics of your son and how his performance helped his team win.

[Plate Dad]

I feel the same way. I was wondering when someone was going to post this. Whatever happened to playing for a love of the game? There are some very good athletes that don't play after high school. Does that make them a failure? Sometimes I get the impression that the parents want their kid to play after HS more than the kid. Whatever happened to having fun and getting a good education and going to a good university, or finding a good job?

The lessons you learn on the sports field help to lay a great foundation for great employees. This may sound strange but I only hire athletes. I've been that way for 23 years. They don't have to play in college. I just want people that are competitive, know how to play as a team, can multi-task and manage their time well (which athletes have to be able to do), and strive to achieve. And for what it's worth, I usually find better employees from the college ranks at D2 and D3 schools than D1.

It's all about the love of the game. A player should be allowed to explore other venues without the added pressure of some coach or other pushing them into something that do not want to do. Here, Here on the muti tasking and management of their time.

[tj21]

Plate Dad,,,,,,,, whats up with the title of this thread? If you do have specific issues with certain coaches, theres no reason to invoke the entire legion nation.

Braves knows I love (and have participated over the years) sharing information about ballplayers, whether they play beyond HS or not is an individual's choice, and Lord knows I wish them all the best. On a personal note, I've shared about my oldest son before, but will gladly do it again. My oldest son had just a tremendous HS & legion career, hitting 10 HR's in HS, another 5-6 HR's playing on some great legion teams, he was mentioned regularly in the local papers about his glove, the word "webgems" was often used in describing his play even on a nightly basis, and if I sound like I'm bragging, I'm sorry but many of you saw him play,,,,,,, anyway one day my son looked me squarely in the eyes when I said something about playing in college, and he said "dad, since I ain't going pro, my major in college and how seriously I take it, will affect me the rest of my life",,, I will never forget those words, because those words impressed me so much that I knew instantly my little boy had turned into a mature young man. So he hung up his cleats after HS, and as much as I loved watching him play over the years, I was even more excited because I knew my son was dedicating himself to becoming just as successful AFTER baseball. Theres no question how proud of him I am.

And thats what I've enjoyed about TBR, the sharing of knowledge, information and stories from areas that we didn't know about before TBR came along.

[Plate Dad]

Plate Dad,,,,,,,, whats up with the title of this thread? If you do have specific issues with certain coaches, theres no reason to invoke the entire legion nation.

Braves knows I love (and have participated over the years) sharing information about ballplayers, whether they play beyond HS or not is an individual's choice, and Lord knows I wish them all the best. On a personal note, I've shared about my oldest son before, but will gladly do it again. My oldest son had just a tremendous HS & legion career, hitting 10 HR's in HS, another 5-6 HR's playing on some great legion teams, he was mentioned regularly in the local papers about his glove, the word "webgems" was often used in describing his play even on a nightly basis, and if I sound like I'm bragging, I'm sorry but many of you saw him play,,,,,,, anyway one day my son looked me squarely in the eyes when I said something about playing in college, and he said "dad, since I ain't going pro, my major in college and how seriously I take it, will affect me the rest of my life",,, I will never forget those words, because those words impressed me so much that I knew instantly my little boy had turned into a mature young man. So he hung up his cleats after HS, and as much as I loved watching him play over the years, I was even more excited because I knew my son was dedicating himself to becoming just as successful AFTER baseball. Theres no question how proud of him I am.

And thats what I've enjoyed about TBR, the sharing of knowledge, information and stories from areas that we didn't know about before TBR came along.

If you will read my post again. I do not attack Legion. I refer to coaches that use that venue or others to suggest to their players to play it and drop their summer programs. Because it gives them control. I think that all ball clubs and organizations have their place. From Little league to travel and showcase. I also think that a kid should not be subject to what I feel is a threat in so many words to play in any organization or team. Just to set the record straight my son does not play legion. Why??? His choice, not mine. It is his choice to play for what team he wishes. I only provide him with guidance in his choice (what it takes to play for that team or coach). I was refering to SOME (not all) high school coaches that tell their player they would be better off playing legion not that team may have given the player the tools he used to become the high school player that the coach got in the first place.

[TBA]

The love of the game is what it is all about, but it is addictive and it is hard to let go of, you just want to keep playing.

Play ball till you can't play anymore.

[One Putt]

I agree with that.

[flotg]

The love of the game is what it is all about, but it is addictive and it is hard to let go of, you just want to keep playing.

Play ball till you can't play anymore.


I'll second that!!

[23109shelby06]

What makes legion second tier? We all know that around here there are certain areas where legion is the big thing and others where its not so big, but I promise if you come down to Shelby or to Caldwell County or Cherryville during the Summer you will see real baseball played. As far as the next level goes the atmosphere and competition that is seen on a nightly basis is the closest thing to D-1 baseball I think you will find. Obviously its going to be different for different kids in different areas, but legion is just as good a stepping stone as any. As far as pressure from high school coaches I know in this area it almost works the other way around. High school coaches compete more for time with legion coaches than in support of legion programs. Someday everyone has to hang it up and you see it every year when 18 year old high school kids or 21-22 year old college kids cry there eyes out after the last games they play but I think if anyone had to vote they would rather hang it up with a group of guys that they have bled sweat and cried with for years than a group thrown together and who get together to play a little on the weekends.

[MOOSE]

what value does showcase ball have to the community?

[Braves]

what value does showcase ball have to the community?


Great question...unfortunately, in the larger cities, there is no community

[Plate Dad]

what value does showcase ball have to the community?

If you are getting the $$$ that some programs are. I would say a lot. :notworthy

[Braves]

If you are getting the $$$ that some programs are. I would say a lot. :notworthy

Man...showcase must have burned you because you sure take a lot of shots at them.

[Plate Dad]

what value does showcase ball have to the community?

My answer was in response to this response. Most showcase teams are a cross section of players for across the state, some even from neighboring states. If you look at the state as a community. Fine. If you follow them which I believe you do. Most charge some $$$ to play for them, some don't. They do benefit those players for are under their program. Which you may know how many of those players start as sophmores in high school and are dropped along the way for better players. But that is another thread. Legion is a great venue for the community because you have to be within a certain area of the community to play on that team. Many MLB, A,AA,AAA, college and high school players came from the ranks of Little League and nothing else. So is this the best route to go. As time moves forward what new venue for players to be seen is not even known. What will be the cost? Who knows, who cares. I am sure that there will be pros & cons. The thread was to discuss the impact of coaches steering players to a certain venues to play. I have said that a player should choose what he feels best for him. I know it seems that I have something against showcase. This is not the case. I just have certain opinions that do not agree with some of the common thinking out there. I guess I am opening the minds for those who feel the same way. Always sreach for a better way.:scooter:

[dpa3401]

I don't understand what the gripe is about any team at this age. I assume we are all talking about high school age kids and truth is by the time they reach this point there is simply not enough places to play. It's one thing to have an issue with the different venues for say 12 and under. Quite another when there are a lot of kids still trying to find a place, at any price. Every place a kid can play should be commended. I personally believe at this age there are no bad places to play only a place that may not be the right fit for a particular individual. Hats off to every coach and organization that gives a kid, actually a young man. a place.

[tj21]

Originally posted by Braves
...showcase must have burned you because you sure take a lot of shots at them.

... the title of this thread is a shot at legion...


Showcase vs. legion is a very hot topic. It would take a lot of effort by one individual to piss off both sides. But Platedad, you may be able to pull this off....

:gnorsi:

[Plate Dad]

... the title of this thread is a shot at legion...


Showcase vs. legion is a very hot topic. It would take a lot of effort by one individual to piss off both sides. But Platedad, you may be able to pull this off....

:gnorsi:
I guess that people looked into the title to much and responded without fully reading the post. In my original post and those after. I have never taken a shot at the legion program. I have always stated that this was about pushing players into it by coaches that want to take the for their summer programs. I will agree that if one read just the title, one may jump the gun. In school if you read a book, you do just that read it. Remember that "Gone with the Wind" is about a wind storm, you read more than the title. I have never in this post brought showcase into it. I have only responded to what others have posted. I have only questioned the motives of (some) coaches. I think that if I can piss off both sides, I may need to go into the very politics that we all question from time to time. Being more clear (GOVERMENT). Agree with me or not, this in an open forum. :08:

[One Putt]

There are positives and negatives to each. You have to look at what is best for your son at the time. What is a negative to one person may be a positive to another and vice versa. We can debate it all day but in the end you have to do what is best for you. Fortunately this site keeps the conversations civil.

[homeplate]

legion baseball is the best period. Showcase, travel ball is for the rich and wealthy,and the one's that think they are better than everyone else.

[Mudcat]

legion baseball is the best period. Showcase, travel ball is for the rich and wealthy,and the one's that think they are better than everyone else.

I know the kids in our legion program have to pay money to play, so that statement is not true.

[Plate Dad]

legion baseball is the best period. Showcase, travel ball is for the rich and wealthy,and the one's that think they are better than everyone else.

Not rich here. Agree that it is about a lot of $$. Be there, done that.

[Coach 27]

What a post. Homeplate that was brilliant!

[Coach 27]

since so many are concerned about the way others spend their money. I choose to drive an old truck. I choose to not go on vacations. I choose to wear the same clothes untill they wear out. I choose to spend my hard earned money any way a see fit. Since it is my money and not yours. I choose to feel free to allow others to spend their money any way they seem fit since it is not my money. My son chooses to not go on vacations. My son chooses to work with me in the summer in the lawn business. He chooses to spend his hard earned money helping to pay for his motel room and his food on baseball trips. He chooses to work during the week and then play baseball on the weekends. He has the right to spend his money the way he sees fit since it is his money and not yours. He chooses to play with a team that travels because he feels it offers him an opportunity to play with some very good players and against some very good players. And he feels it will only make him a better player to get challenged in the off season. Am I offended by the comments that showcase and travel baseball is for the rich and wealthy? Am I offended by the comment that showcase and travel baseball is for people who think their kids are better than everyone else? What do you think? How much money do some people spend on family vacations each year? ATV's , jet skis, boats, fancy clothes, stereo systems in cars, fancy rims for cars, the list goes on and on. Maybe there are some people who do without and their kids are willing to do without (certain things that other kids will not do without) in order to play showcase or travel baseball. Are all the kids playing legion the poor and disadvantaged? Are they all the kids that have parents that dont feel they are better than everyone else? My son plays with some great young men. And the parents are some of the nicest and down to earth people anyone would ever want to meet. They make alot of sacrifices as well. The cost up front to play with Impact is minimal. The cost of the motel rooms and food can be expensive over the course of a summer and fall season. But no more expensive than what I would be spending going to the beach or mountains for vacations or spending on other activities if we were not playing baseball. But that is my decision to make right? Just like it is your decision to make what you do with your time and your money. Maybe I could say that you are too cheap to sacrifice what you like to do or your son doesnt love the game enough to sacrifice what he loves to do to play showcase or travel baseball. Or maybe he was just not good enough to make one of these teams so you are pissed off at the showcase and travel baseball world. I dont know and frankly I could careless. It is your time and your money so do with it what you want.

[Braves]

since so many are concerned about the way others spend their money. I choose to drive an old truck. I choose to not go on vacations. I choose to wear the same clothes untill they wear out. I choose to spend my hard earned money any way a see fit. Since it is my money and not yours. I choose to feel free to allow others to spend their money any way they seem fit since it is not my money. My son chooses to not go on vacations. My son chooses to work with me in the summer in the lawn business. He chooses to spend his hard earned money helping to pay for his motel room and his food on baseball trips. He chooses to work during the week and then play baseball on the weekends. He has the right to spend his money the way he sees fit since it is his money and not yours. He chooses to play with a team that travels because he feels it offers him an opportunity to play with some very good players and against some very good players. And he feels it will only make him a better player to get challenged in the off season. Am I offended by the comments that showcase and travel baseball is for the rich and wealthy? Am I offended by the comment that showcase and travel baseball is for people who think their kids are better than everyone else? What do you think? How much money do some people spend on family vacations each year? ATV's , jet skis, boats, fancy clothes, stereo systems in cars, fancy rims for cars, the list goes on and on. Maybe there are some people who do without and their kids are willing to do without (certain things that other kids will not do without) in order to play showcase or travel baseball. Are all the kids playing legion the poor and disadvantaged? Are they all the kids that have parents that dont feel they are better than everyone else? My son plays with some great young men. And the parents are some of the nicest and down to earth people anyone would ever want to meet. They make alot of sacrifices as well. The cost up front to play with Impact is minimal. The cost of the motel rooms and food can be expensive over the course of a summer and fall season. But no more expensive than what I would be spending going to the beach or mountains for vacations or spending on other activities if we were not playing baseball. But that is my decision to make right? Just like it is your decision to make what you do with your time and your money. Maybe I could say that you are too cheap to sacrifice what you like to do or your son doesnt love the game enough to sacrifice what he loves to do to play showcase or travel baseball. Or maybe he was just not good enough to make one of these teams so you are pissed off at the showcase and travel baseball world. I dont know and frankly I could careless. It is your time and your money so do with it what you want.

Exactly...great insight Coach. It's what is right for you and one's own situation.

[One Putt]

legion baseball is the best period. Showcase, travel ball is for the rich and wealthy,and the one's that think they are better than everyone else.

Take cover. That should get a few riled up.

[tj21]

Platedad,,,,,,,, if you ain't taking a shot at legion, and if your merely questioning certain coachs' motives, then it would be nice if you would take a little more time thinking about the title of your next thread. Thank you.

I'm sure the showcase folks wouldn't appreciate my next thread entitled "showcase, wasted money or not",,, and all I was merely talking about was the balk rule.

[Braves]

Take cover. That should get a few riled up.

Shoot...I didn't know I was rich, but please don't tell my wife.

Seriously, I can see why some people think that. Although many fit the description that Coach May described, there are those that travel around in their Winnibago and have the time to attend every tournament every weekend and dining out at some pricey restaurants. Those people are the minority, but it is the image that folks that don't participate in showcase ball have.

Heck, if it wasn't for the TBR bus, plane and RV, I don't think I could make many of the tournaments.

But the majority of parents are your normal everyday people that have the same financial concerns as anybody else. They are the same parents that you meet at Rec league games, AAU and Legion ball. They make sacrifices in order to provide their son the best opportunities for their future. It may end at the end of HS season, but the relationships built, the memories secured and the fact that you did everything you could is priceless.

Showcase is not for everybody. If your son does not have the talent to play at the next level...save your money and head to the beach. That experience can be lasting as well.

There is room for both Legion and showcase...and if you have the opportunity to do both, I recommend that you do that; just not at the same time

[One Putt]

Shoot...I didn't know I was rich, but please don't tell my wife.

Seriously, I can see why some people think that. Although many fit the description that Coach May described, there are those that travel around in their Winnibago and have the time to attend every tournament every weekend and dining out at some pricey restaurants. Those people are the minority, but it is the image that folks that don't participate in showcase ball have.

Heck, if it wasn't for the TBR bus, plane and RV, I don't think I could make many of the tournaments.

But the majority of parents are your normal everyday people that have the same financial concerns as anybody else. They are the same parents that you meet at Rec league games, AAU and Legion ball. They make sacrifices in order to provide their son the best opportunities for their future. It may end at the end of HS season, but the relationships built, the memories secured and the fact that you did everything you could is priceless.

Showcase is not for everybody. If your son does not have the talent to play at the next level...save your money and head to the beach. That experience can be lasting as well.

There is room for both Legion and showcase...and if you have the opportunity to do both, I recommend that you do that; just not at the same time

Just because your son may not have the ability to play at the next level doesn't mean you should not play travel ball or showcase. Maybe you do it to see stronger competition and to help you have the best HS years you can have. And maybe you just want to have fun and play more baseball. You only get one pass at this thing (HS baseball). may as well have fun.

[Braves]

Just because your son may not have the ability to play at the next level doesn't mean you should not play travel ball or showcase. Maybe you do it to see stronger competition and to help you have the best HS years you can have. And maybe you just want to have fun and play more baseball. You only get one pass at this thing (HS baseball). may as well have fun.

I don't disagree. First, let's establish that travel ball and showcase ball is two different groups; just as showcase and legion are two different groups.

Since finances have become the main issue with showcase ball, my point was to save your money and continue to play baseball (other avenues) or take vacations if the "next level" is not a goal or achievable.

[ncsu82]

I remember filling out a registration form to attend a showcase tryout. I remember questions like height, weight, 60 time, batting avg., velocity, arm strength, awards and accomplishments etc.

I don't remember a space for parental income.

And Coach May...do you have an extra lawnmower? And what's this vacation thing ya'll are talking about?

[Braves]

And what's this vacation thing ya'll are talking about?

It's cool....I read about it

[dpa3401]

a vacation not revolving around sports. Never heard of such a thing Must be a new fad

[dpa3401]

Oh, and I think this thread should be restricted to players only. Their answers will be the real deal

[flotg]

Ive read about that "vacation" thing too - something about going somewhere other than your familys home a few hours away and being able to do absolutely nothing, take pictures of yourself with your family, do fun - recreational things like swimming, golf, skiing, hiking, reading, or sleeping in - having someone make up your beds in the morning for you and clean up the dishes after you eat - you know, things like that. If anybody knows how to make this happen - I'd love the input!!

[Braves]

Ive read about that "vacation" thing too - something about going somewhere other than your familys home a few hours away and being able to do absolutely nothing, take pictures of yourself with your family, do fun - recreational things like swimming, golf, skiing, hiking, reading, or sleeping in - having someone make up your beds in the morning for you and clean up the dishes after you eat - you know, things like that. If anybody knows how to make this happen - I'd love the input!!

Win the lottery? Then you can have another family take pictures for you while you are sweating out another 90 degree day in July talking about...wouldn't it be nice to go on a vaca....

[One Putt]

I remember filling out a registration form to attend a showcase tryout. I remember questions like height, weight, 60 time, batting avg., velocity, arm strength, awards and accomplishments etc.

I don't remember a space for parental income.

And Coach May...do you have an extra lawnmower? And what's this vacation thing ya'll are talking about?

I read the same form online. You are correct ncsu82. (BTW, we were probably in school together).

We're trying to plan that thing people call a "vacation" right now also. Try it with two boys playing ball and one of them playing two sports. No matter when we go each son will miss something. Momma is not happy that the busy sports schedule doesn't allow much vacation time.

[ebdean]

It would be good for Plate Dad to actually read his own posts before he clicks on the submit button.

[Plate Dad]

It would be good for Plate Dad to actually read his own posts before he clicks on the submit button.

Thanks I will keep that I mind. Oops.

[Coach 27]

Let me just say that I think that legion baseball is great. I wish every area had what you people in Caldwell County and other venues have. The fact is many areas do not have strong legion programs or legion programs at all. It would be nice if everyone had the same options and alot of them. But that just isn't the case. This thread and everyone like it should just come down to people doing what they feel is right for them. And then people respecting the rights of others to do just that.

[Braves]

Let me just say that I think that legion baseball is great. I wish every area had what you people in Caldwell County and other venues have. The fact is many areas do not have strong legion programs or legion programs at all. It would be nice if everyone had the same options and alot of them. But that just isn't the case. This thread and everyone like it should just come down to people doing what they feel is right for them. And then people respecting the rights of others to do just that.

You can always tell when the HS season is winding down. It's then that we get these debates. But I keep in mind that although we have covered these topics many times, there are many new posters that have discussed this the 1st time.

[MOOSE]

the areas with great programs didn't just happen. the people in these communities went to the trouble to make something special, to the benefit of players and fans alike. i know this board is for the players but i also think the value to the community should not be underestimated.

[Braves]

the areas with great programs didn't just happen. the people in these communities went to the trouble to make something special, to the benefit of players and fans alike. i know this board is for the players but i also think the value to the community should not be underestimated.

well said Moose...good job

[tj21]

Moose just hit on something when he said "great programs just didn't happen".

Maybe it would help folks better understand why I defend legion baseball so much because I "do know" firsthand the individuals responsible for making sure things get done, and I "do know" firsthand the businesses that each year come up with $$$ to make sure there is a team in my area. And all these folks do this without getting paid a dime, they just do it because they want to make sure there is a local team that the local boys are proud of.

And of course I realize we are fortunate in my area to have the support we have, because other areas don't have that support. I realize that, and I don't take anything for granted. For the newbies, just trying to explain why I may seem defensive.

Coach27 and CoachEvans, you guys have my respect, hopefully I have never said anything to make you think otherwise.

[Braves]

tj...you're the best. And you were the reason that I converted to a Legion baseballfan. If you ever decide to stop controlling the strings of your mayor and to become one...you have my vote

[tj21]

Thanks for the comments Braves, one day I may need that vote.

Btw, I sure wish I could remember whatever it was I said to you way back when and be smart enough to bottle it,,,,,, because obviously it hasn't worked with everyone.

:book:

[python]

I'm just curious: Is playing sports in high school only about getting ready for the "next level"? Does anyone play for the love of the game anymore? Are there any parents out there who realize their son (or daughter) may be a very talented high school athlete, and it's okay if that's where it ends? Of course, we all want our children to excel and want to provide the best opportunities for them to succeed, but is there anybody out there that is happy with the fact that their child loves playing ball, appreciates the discipline and camaraderie it brings, and can send them out into the world to pursue another avenue of opportunity that has nothing to do with sports?Alot of it are dads living vicariously through jr.

[Plate Dad]

Alot of it are dads living vicariously through jr.

Agree It is about JR. Look at Little E. Trying to live up to dad. Just do the right thing is a that one can ask.

[legion4life]

This seems to be the same issue that many legion squads face today. Kids are more interested in "whats best for me" than going out and playing with friends and representing your town, and playing for something meaningful and haveing fun. I have had 2 DI recruitng coaches tell me Summer time is Legion Ball. The kids play in pressure situations. Fall Ball is for Travel Ball. No pressure but no where else to see them. But I blame this on the parents!

[Stretchlon]

All I ever cared about during my son's baseball playing days was his batting average and his ERA and his fielding percentage and HE never really cared about either one........thankgoodness my son was smarter than me the whole time as right now all he cares about and takes pride in is his GPA. Wow can we Dad's get it wrong or what?

"Watch" and let him play for fun and it will be a better experience after it is all said and done.

[Stretchlon]

The fact is many areas do not have strong legion programs or legion programs at all.



Snow Hill Post 94 Senior Legion team hangs up cleats - disbands!



By Rudy Coggins
Goldsboro News Argus

SNOW HILL -- When James "Rabbit" Fulghum started an American Legion baseball program nearly four decades ago, his plan was to put a competitive -- and formidable -- team on the field.

He succeeded.


A pioneer in his sport, Fulghum's teams at Snow Hill Post 94 progressed and enjoyed continued success. They won several Area I East and Area I championships, and advanced to the state tournament on a few occasions.


However, 34 years later, Snow Hill Post 94 -- a program of dubious distinction -- has disbanded. Fulghum announced he would not return to coach for health reasons and notified current players of the decision during Christmas break.


"It was very hard," said Fulghum. "We kept getting squeezed and squeezed, and it got down to us and Farmville Central as the area to pull (players from).
Then, you had to go out and get releases to pull other people in.


"The concern was getting to the point where you couldn't compete with enough players. I just felt like I couldn't do it another year."


Fulghum missed most of last season due to illness and Post 94 labored to a 10-9 record overall. The team finished in the lower half of the Area I East South Division and failed to reach the playoffs.


A handful of those players are expected to return this summer, but will undoubtedly wear a different uniform. Fulghum said he will the players who wish to continue their Legion careers. They must try out with the team closest to them before they can get released.


Post 94 plans to keep its Junior Legion program in an effort to help cultivate players for Greene Central's perennially-strong high school team. Snow Hill won the 2003 Junior Legion state championship with current head coach Scott Jones.


Fulghum added that showcase ball and other distractions have "watered down" American Legion baseball over the years.

"It takes away from the development of high school programs, I think, too," said Fulghum, a 1981 inductee into the N.C. American Legion Baseball Hall of Fame. "Now, unless you're an exceptional junior, you're going to get left out. I was a pioneer for Legion baseball. I loved it and promoted it."


Snow Hill had rivalries and camaraderie with nearly every other post statewide. Opposing coaches picked Fulghum's brain before and after every game, and took copious notes while watching his many talented teams perform on the field.


Post 94 advanced to the state championship series in 1981 and 1988, falling to Cherryville and Kernersville, respectively. Fulghum guided his 2000 and 2003 squads to the eight-team state tournament, which was the springboard to the Southeast Regionals.


"You just enjoy playing against somebody who you wonder what he's going to do next," said Wayne County Post 11 skipper Brad Reaves. "And it's been a pleasure to coach against someone as knowledgeable and well-thought of like Rabbit is. You always like to sit around before games and talk with him.


"I'm going to miss it."


Snow Hill is the only Area I East team to have a winning record against Wayne County. Reaves teams played Post 94 on an even keel and ousted them from the playoffs a couple of seasons ago.


"I hate to see Rabbit go and hate to see the program fold," said Reaves. "It seems like Legion is fading a little bit and that's a shame. With all the showcase stuff going on ... well ... let's just say I've got my own opinions about a lot of things.


"The Rabbit Fulghums and Doyle Whitfields (former Post 11 coach) don't come along every day. You hate to see them go and you know they're not going to be replaced. Of course, they're going out on their own terms."


Fulghum credited part of Post 94's success to athletic officer Willie Jones, an 1985 inductee in the N.C. American Legion Baseball Hall of Fame.


"Willie is the reason Legion ball survived as long as it did in Snow Hill because he raised all the money," said Fulghum. "He told me 20 years ago that when I decided to get out, he was getting out, too.


"I hate to see it go. But it's something that happens with time."

[Grayben]

Glad to see these post about for the love of the game. I have a son that is a HS Senior. The team he plays for has had a very successful season of which he has helped contribute to this success. He has been approached by several college coaches about signing with their programs. The schools that are interested in him are not schools he wishes to attend. Watching this process I became a typical frustrated parent. One night my son and I had a long conversation about baseball and attending college. On thing I found out was my child has spent countless hours researching where he wants to attend college to get a specific degree. The choice was narrowed down to two schools that have this specific degree he wants to attain. The school he will be attending this fall has spoke with him about trying out as a walk-on and that is what he plans on doing. He also made the comment that he loves playing baseball but it is not the end of the world if it does not work out. He is looking forward to graduating from high school and playing Legion ball this summer. All I can say is the young man is focused on what he wants to do with his future.

I'm with you. Sound like your kid and mine have alot in common. Great post!

[3play]

Sounds like somebody needs a nap..................

[Stretchy]

Showcase baseball is for the little rich kids that don"t want to compete, play for daddy or daddy's buddy pick only the kids we want so we don't have to compete for a position, can go all over the country and act like they are in the big leagues.

This sounds either uninformed or jealous to me. I have never ever said which is better BUT I have encouraged kids to play either and both if they get the chance.

[Braves]

This is the same ole crap every year Let's face it legion baseball is the best . Until some one can prove me wrong. Showcase baseball is for the little rich kids that don"t want to compete, play for daddy or daddy's buddy pick only the kids we want so we don't have to compete for a position, can go all over the country and act like they are in the big leagues . play in these tournaments in front of 0 fans and come back home and tell everyone they played in front of hundreds of scouts. If you have questions about it just go watch it.


Take last year for example South charlotte panthers finished 2nd in some kind of national showcase event Now this team is suppose to be top notch. Now they lost to Winston-Salem legion team. Now winston-salem finished 8th in there division last year . Now grant you 4 of the panthers players should have been with the winston team.

Also how can a player improve on a team that just plays weekends . what business does a kid that lives in winston-salem have playing on a team in charlotte when they can play better competition with less cost in there own back yard. Do they travel to charlotte daily to practice? Is some sugar daddy keeping them up?

this stuff is amazing to me There is less kids playing baseball and more teams pulling players to play. I just wish these showcase people would leave the kids alone let them play high school and legion baseball .for the ones that don't play football then play on some travel team in the fall .

Alot of these old veterens have done alot for our country and baseball let's don't turn our back on them !!

Don't kid yourself, you can go to some Legion games and see (0) fans, maybe girlfriends for a couple of innings, too. It depends which legion game you go to.

Listen, don't go bashing showcase baseball. There is a place for both. The problem with legion baseball is not the product, it's the fact that Legions are slowly dying away as the old timers are passing away and not being replaced. Many legions are closing and the teams are folding. That has nothing to do with showcasing, that has to do with lack of legion support.

I am a big proponent of American Legion baseball, but not at the expense of knocking other associations (there's summer school teams and leagues, Metro league, etc., etc.) I'm glad kids get an opportunity to play summer baseball period...at whatever level.

I don't know where you get your facts about Showcase expenses, but you are not accurate. There are some showcase teams that are much cheaper than some Legion teams. There are some legion teams that are free and there are some showcase teams that are free. Money should never be the issue when comparing the two.

[catcher10]

Alot of these old veterens have done alot for our country and baseball let's don't turn our back on them !!

I have just gotten off the phone with my father, a veteran of the Korean War. He has given my son his blessing to play Showcase over Legion. I plan on speaking to friends of mine tomorrow, who were in Vietnam in the '60's, Desert Storm, and my nephews who have just returned from Iraq. Your comment made me realize that I do not say "Thank you" enough to those I personally know who have contributed to our FREEDOM. The same freedom that allows each individual to choose where they want to play their summer ball.:smiley-patriotic-fl

[Coach 27]

From the 2006 summer - 2006 fall - 2007 summer - 2007 fall - 2008 summer - 2008 fall (Dirtbags Players) 51 - ACC / SEC Players - 46 other D-1 programs. Thats correct check for yourself.

Now last year I along with Coach Partin attempted to have a Showcase Team vs Legion Team - Tournement. We could not get anyone to play. I spoke with Coach Partin again tonight. Any Legion teams wanting to play, the Dirtbags are available for competition / they will alter their schedule to accomodate anyone wanting to play.

Homerun10 have your coach or if you are the coach - call or email Andy Partin and set it up. He is waiting for your call. The little rich kids are ready to compete.

Calling out the South Charlotte Panthers like that was uncalled for. They are nothing but class and they are true competitors. But you also called out every kid that plays showcase or ever has. Too bad all these ACC SEC and other college coaches have rosters full of little rich kids that dont want to compete.

Legion baseball in some areas is outstanding. In some other areas it is nothing more than rec baseball. That is indeed a fact.

"How can a player improve that only plays on the weekends?"
Lets see - How about working a job from 8 to 4. Going to the field everyday and running , hitting , fielding , core work , long toss , weight room till around 8pm. Then play games on the weekends and use the money earned at the job to help pay for food and motel costs. And then do it all over again the next weekend.

I would ask you "Is it harder to get better at the game playing almost every night than it is to work out all week and play on the weekends?"

If you have a great legion program and thats what you want to do then thats great. If you dont do something else. If you are good enough to make a quality showcase roster and you want to do that , fine.

Do you own the rights to any player? Since when do you have the right to tell someone else where they should play in the summer?

But if they dont do what you want them to do they are "little rich kids that dont want to compete".

There are some great legion programs in our state. Im glad that people have it and enjoy it. But since when does anyone have a strangle hold on what people can and can not do? Or should or should not do? You do what you feel is best for you. Others can decide for themselves what they want to do.

But hey make the call. Im sure those little rich kids would love a chance to show you if they can compete or not. Waiting for the call ......................

[oldbbguy]

for banning such venom from being spewed, there is no place for it on this site.Opinions are one thing but name calling of this nature is juvenile and just mean spirited.Coach 27 thanks for the post, I could"nt agree more.
I am not a veteran but was asst.to the athletic officer for post 132 in Johnston Co. for a few years up until we disbanded the program.The thing here was the same that other areas are experiencing,the membership was and is dying out and no (0) new members have joined the post in years.Just recently the post transfered its facility,land and assets to Johnston Comm. College which intends to start a baseball program in the near future.We had a storied past with our program but there was just no way to continue under the circumstances.
This situation sent many of our players to the showcase circuit including both of my own,the oldest who now is on a college roster.He had the good fortune of playing with Coach Partins Dirtbag program which had a huge impact on his college choices, without Andy standing by him the way he did he probally would not be where he is today.There was a situation (injury) and Coach Partin helped us in ways that were over and beyond what anyone would have asked or expected of him.
My youngest now is with the Hurricanes organization and we are finding the same type of caring and genuiene concern for the kids by all involved with the program. . There are several other great programs i.e. South Charlotte Panthers with the same type of reputation.My point,(I know I got long winded) is not to be an advertisment for showcase ball but just to say this.In an area like ours where we unfortunately have lost our legion teams, I feel blessed that there are men of baseball out there that care, and are running programs of this nature creating opportunites for players who in a different time filled the American Legion rosters.

[Grayben]

In Wilson, we still have a Legion Program. However, you are always hearing that money is tight and we don't know how much longer we can hold on. I'm hoping this is just talk. It's a great venue. Fleming Stadium is just a great place to play and watch a game. My son was fortunate enough to do both (easy now, not at the same time). He played Legion ball this summer and was able to play with Andy and the Dirtbags this Fall. I know everyone cannot have it both ways, but again, we were lucky. He was able to keep the locals happy, play with his buddies, play at Fleming, and get some additional exposure by playing with the Dirtbags. Not everyone is so fortunate. Legion is struggling in some areas if it ever existed at all. We used to love to play Johnston County and you've already read where they have shut down. Now, Greene County (Snow Hill) is calling it quits. Like it or not, Showcase ball is alive and well and alot of people are thankful for the opportunity.

[EastOfRaleigh]

[quote=Stretchlon;2042428]Snow Hill Post 94 Senior Legion team hangs up cleats - disbands!

that's a shame that Snow Hill is getting out of Sr. Legion..........this program has been an icon in Legion ball in eastern NC. Sounds like Rabbit and Jones were the only ones to provide the glue to hold it together; nobody else to step up? Well this should improve the teams at Wilson and Pitt Co. and Wayne Co. with guys transferring over.

[Grayben]

Not sure how many in Wilson we would get. I think most would either go to So. Central (Pitt) or Kinston. Wayne may get some but I think we may be the last on the list due to geographics. But you're right, these guys will need somewhere to play and there are some good ones in Greene County!

[EastOfRaleigh]

Snow Hill / Greene County.............one of those small time rural areas that just loves to take on the big boys in a game of country hardball, and beat ya more times than not. Rabbit Fulghum has taught the game to many a player that was better for it.

[marlinfan1]

Snow Hill / Greene County.............one of those small time rural areas that just loves to take on the big boys in a game of country hardball, and beat ya more times than not. Rabbit Fulghum has taught the game to many a player that was better for it........are legends in the legion fame! I'm DAMN glad to have had the luck to be in their district of legion ball in the late 1970s. Yes, coach Fulgham is in that same class of elite builders of the game, AND way more! Cary American Legion......wow! ...now thats dear to my heart. Now to address this thread, the whole idea of carrying rosters in legion ball was originally just simply taking the "best" off of 3-4 HS rosters, and then competing in the summer against other equal teams. That was cool! LOTS of college coaches attending, most likely to observe the talent base, but we had no TB at that time. I must say, unfortunately times have changed. so have formats to showcase future prospects! JMO....and good luck to all, and we need a D1 football playoff system, ease up on the bowl games, and......and, well thats enough from me.

[Toots]

I can speak from experience that American Legion baseball was absolutely the right move for my son. He is now a junior in college, playing at the next level. He tells me all the time how those were the best days of his life and he wishes he still had the opportunity to play. It was FUN, all of the pressure situations, the late summer night games, the lifelong friends made, the legion tournaments, nothing else could compare. He is fortunate that he has had the college experience and I don't mean just being on the team. He is a major contributor to his team and has been from the beginning; however, he is not having fun now. Believe me, it is work! The scholarship money helps but when you add up all of the hours he spends practicing, lifting weights, etc. it doesn't even equal minimum wage. Once again, he is luckier than most to get this opportunity to play at the next level but to all of those parents that have the urge to "push" your kid into that next level, listen to them and what they're saying to you. It is NOT the end of the world if it ends after high school. The college experience is something that most people never forget but it is not the same for an athlete. Just food for thought from someone who is living through it!

[EastOfRaleigh]

I can speak from experience that American Legion baseball was absolutely the right move for my son. He is now a junior in college, playing at the next level. He tells me all the time how those were the best days of his life and he wishes he still had the opportunity to play. It was FUN, all of the pressure situations, the late summer night games, the lifelong friends made, the legion tournaments, nothing else could compare. He is fortunate that he has had the college experience and I don't mean just being on the team. He is a major contributor to his team and has been from the beginning; however, he is not having fun now. Believe me, it is work! The scholarship money helps but when you add up all of the hours he spends practicing, lifting weights, etc. it doesn't even equal minimum wage. Once again, he is luckier than most to get this opportunity to play at the next level but to all of those parents that have the urge to "push" your kid into that next level, listen to them and what they're saying to you. It is NOT the end of the world if it ends after high school. The college experience is something that most people never forget but it is not the same for an athlete. Just food for thought from someone who is living through it!
very interesting perspective. when it's not fun anymore.

[Softball Guru]

Show me where a college education is suppose to be fun...the fun begins after you get the degree..that is what is wrong with our young people today, if isn't FUN I don't want to do it !!! How many out there can say that they are having FUN at work ?? Yes I'll agree your job should be something that you enjoy,but it isn't based on FUN, it should be based on responsibilities and achievements to continue in this dog eat world. I think what was said in the other thread about the college experience best tells the story....FUN is when you are 8,9,10,11,12 thru 17,but after that it's time to think about your future,and become a man or woman and except the reponsibilities of that age.College is not about FUN...Define...Getting Drunk,hanging out with friends,road trips....Where is study and hard work to obtain your goals fit in??..I think as parents we have shown our kids through our lifestyles that life is barrel of monkeys,and everything is to their dispossal, in essence we have ruined our kids..when a kid drives a better car than their parents the wrong message is being sent out. Why wouldn't a kid expect his or her lifestyle to continue after high school??...cell phones,nextels,beepers,etc......if I had all that when I was a kid I would expect it to continue into my adult life..I not saying there shouldn't be some fun ,but when fun becomes 85 % of why you are attending college something has been misconstrued to you either by your parents or by your peers !!!

Guru

[One Putt]

Who said fun had to include drinking? College is about learning but not just in the classroom. I thought this was a Legion thread.

[Toots]

Actually, I was referring to FUN meaning that American Legion baseball was FUN, but playing baseball at the college level was not necessarily FUN anymore. Nobody (usually unless it is a parent) forces a kid to play baseball in college! I wasn't referring to getting a college education being fun. A person most likely has to work, has to earn a living, has to go to work day in and day out whether they think it is FUN or not. Thanks One Putt....I thought this was about Legion also!

[RO/CO]

Legion is the way to go. If you are good, then a college scout will come see you play there. Then you will know they want you even more. Legion is free, and you play almost every day which will make you a better player if you improve every day.

[Braves]

Legion is free

....to some. The majority of Legion teams are fee based. Many teams are no longer receiving the financial support they once were. I wish this was not the case, but times have changed in many areas.

I wish every playercould experience what the players in Shelby, Cherryville, Kannapolis, Caldwell Co, etc. experience. Sadly, as each year more teams are folding, I hope that it doesn't evolve into just the smaller communities fielding teams.

I love American Legion baseball and I hope that it will thrive in the future, but there are some issues that need to be addressed:

[tj21]

If I may add,,, obviously nothing in life is free,,,,,,, whether we're talking about legion baseball or some tiddlywinks club,,,,,,, in order for any organization to survive, you must either A) ask for fees from the players (members), or B) have good people who volunteer countless hours and local businesses who raise the necessary funds that your program needs to operate. Our specific program tries to use method B so that we don't charge the kids a dime.

Obviously, the programs that struggle financially or with community support (for the most part) are the very same programs who have a difficult time getting folks to roll up their sleeves and help. Unfortunately, a lot of folks don't want to do anything to help, they just want to complain.

I will always strongly defend those who pitch in and help, the Bill Collins of the world who just retired, but spent a big majority of his life making sure that boys in Concord had a place to play American Legion baseball,,,, or the Whitey Meadows who coached the Mooresville Legion team for 30 years and never took a dime for doing what he loved.

[Strike-em-out]

Legion is the way to go. If you are good, then a college scout will come see you play there. Then you will know they want you even more. Legion is free, and you play almost every day which will make you a better player if you improve every day.
In no way am I knocking legion ball, but don't fool yourself or others, if you are a GREAT player you might get a recruiter or 2 to come to legion, but if you are just good or average forget it they will not be there. And yes legion does play almost every day for about 30-45 days and then they are done and by that time almost all fall showcase or travel teams have a full roster, then what? If legion would get rid of the dual participation rule it would help legion and the kids:two-cents:

[tj21]

Legion players can participate in other events all during the regular season; however, once the playoffs begin your roster is SET IN STONE, and there is NO MORE dual participation once the playoffs begin. This will never change, forget it. I'll try to explain why, feel free to comment or question,,, because honestly I don't know HOW I'll come across, but because you make this point, my intent is just to TRY to clarify.

Ok so lets look at the dual participation rule HONESTLY and see just how many players it even affects. For the sake of an example, I'll use Area III, these playoffs usually begin somewhere around July 1,,, so if July 1 means no more dual participation, and the first round of playoffs begins, about 5 days later the first round is completed, which means exactly one half the teams season IS OVER. So now, any players on eliminated legion teams are free to pick up and play whenever and wherever they choose the rest of the summer. Now if round 2 begins somewhere around July 7, it is over maybe 5 days later, and ANOTHER HALF of the teams and their players are free to play wherever. And so on, and so on, to where you only have the final 8 legion teams all across NC who are even still doing anything by the 3rd/4th week of July.

Face it guys, folks who say legion needs to change the dual participation rule, your just not talking about but a hand full of players on the very best teams. And trust me, the best players and the best teams DO GET recruited. The average players on those better teams possibly benefit because someone is there to watch someone else, but those better teams do get recruited. One of the arguments about legion that I have always agreed with, is that I admit the weaker teams don't draw the scouts,,, then again I just showed how the weaker teams only play begining late May and are usually done first week in July. So honestly the better players on the weaker teams CAN DO both, they can play legion for their community with their friends, then if they feel like they can play at the next level, they can also dual participate during THAT SAME legion season and pick back up with their showcase team JUST AS SOON as their legion team gets eliminated from playoffs.

If legion isn't popular in your area, or you choose not to do legion for whatever reason,,, that is fine, but using the dual participation rule as a means to criticize legion, is just a tad bit exaggerating. Feel free to offer where I am wrong here.

[jester]

I played BB at a VERY small college. I never went back after my Freshman year. Joined the Army. I used fast pitch and slow pitch softball for my "fix". Played Class "A" in both. 15 years later, a friend asked if I was interested in playing Roy Hobbs Baseball (all players are over 30 and must be out of pro ball for 5 years). Other than throwing batting practice for my team, hadn't worked on baseball for years. My biggest hope was to not make too big a fool out of myself. Five of the funnest years I have ever had. Good competition (even if we were a step slower) Went to the Roy Hobbs World Series in Florida in 1995. Pitched in the Twins Stadium and the Red Sox Stadium. Talk about awe inspiring. Finally had to stop at 40. Elbow trouble. (40 year olds should warm up a little longer LOL) Plat as long as you can then enjoy watching it the rest of your life.

[tools]

Legion players can participate in other events all during the regular season; however, once the playoffs begin your roster is SET IN STONE, and there is NO MORE dual participation once the playoffs begin. This will never change, forget it. I'll try to explain why, feel free to comment or question,,, because honestly I don't know HOW I'll come across, but because you make this point, my intent is just to TRY to clarify.

Ok so lets look at the dual participation rule HONESTLY and see just how many players it even affects. For the sake of an example, I'll use Area III, these playoffs usually begin somewhere around July 1,,, so if July 1 means no more dual participation, and the first round of playoffs begins, about 5 days later the first round is completed, which means exactly one half the teams season IS OVER. So now, any players on eliminated legion teams are free to pick up and play whenever and wherever they choose the rest of the summer. Now if round 2 begins somewhere around July 7, it is over maybe 5 days later, and ANOTHER HALF of the teams and their players are free to play wherever. And so on, and so on, to where you only have the final 8 legion teams all across NC who are even still doing anything by the 3rd/4th week of July.

Face it guys, folks who say legion needs to change the dual participation rule, your just not talking about but a hand full of players on the very best teams. And trust me, the best players and the best teams DO GET recruited. The average players on those better teams possibly benefit because someone is there to watch someone else, but those better teams do get recruited. One of the arguments about legion that I have always agreed with, is that I admit the weaker teams don't draw the scouts,,, then again I just showed how the weaker teams only play begining late May and are usually done first week in July. So honestly the better players on the weaker teams CAN DO both, they can play legion for their community with their friends, then if they feel like they can play at the next level, they can also dual participate during THAT SAME legion season and pick back up with their showcase team JUST AS SOON as their legion team gets eliminated from playoffs.

If legion isn't popular in your area, or you choose not to do legion for whatever reason,,, that is fine, but using the dual participation rule as a means to criticize legion, is just a tad bit exaggerating. Feel free to offer where I am wrong here.


TJ,

Very well said, I am involved in Legion and know the dual participation rule, but you explained as simplistic as it can be.

Thanks!

[tj21]

Thanks Tools, I know your deeply involved in legion, good to hear from you too.

[One Putt]

Actually, I was referring to FUN meaning that American Legion baseball was FUN, but playing baseball at the college level was not necessarily FUN anymore. Nobody (usually unless it is a parent) forces a kid to play baseball in college! I wasn't referring to getting a college education being fun. A person most likely has to work, has to earn a living, has to go to work day in and day out whether they think it is FUN or not. Thanks One Putt....I thought this was about Legion also!


I understand. I know legion is fun. Having never experienced I would think it would be fun. I wsih we had legion in Greensboro. I think my younger son may try this option out of High Point when the time comes.

I was refering to a post about college being fun. While college is a lot of work in the classroom and on the field, I would hope it would also be some level of fun. If you don't enjoy what you do, then why do it?

Working everyday does have it's drudgery at times but I believe to succeed at something there has to be a little bit of passion and some fun. These kids have the rest of their lives to work. I don't see why you can't work hard in college but also enjoy it. Just my thoughts.

[tj21]

OnePutt,,,,, Greensboro had legion as recently as 2004 when they were in the state tournament in Shelby. You guys played your home games right there at Ragsdale HS, and of course talent-wise you were good every year. For whatever reason, maybe too much else to do, but for some reason large cities don't embrace legion teams like small towns do. However, it wouldn't take much for someone in your area to approach the local legion and get it started back,,,, but someone has to maintain it year to year,,,, someone that loves baseball and wants to see it last,,,, someone beyond a dad, because sooner or later dad's little johnny will age out, and the program must continue after that.

It would be nice to see Greensboro get back on the legion map, but best wishes to you and your son regardless.

p.s. Say hello to Wossa for me...

[One Putt]

OnePutt,,,,, Greensboro had legion as recently as 2004 when they were in the state tournament in Shelby. You guys played your home games right there at Ragsdale HS, and of course talent-wise you were good every year. For whatever reason, maybe too much else to do, but for some reason large cities don't embrace legion teams like small towns do. However, it wouldn't take much for someone in your area to approach the local legion and get it started back,,,, but someone has to maintain it year to year,,,, someone that loves baseball and wants to see it last,,,, someone beyond a dad, because sooner or later dad's little johnny will age out, and the program must continue after that.

It would be nice to see Greensboro get back on the legion map, but best wishes to you and your son regardless.

The coach for our past Legion team is actually on this site. He coaches HS ball. Palimino is big up here. And Showcase has become the rage. Plus, no real Legion options. Several of us agreed to pay for the cost of a team and keep our kids together but the powers that be would not let us move forward.

[tools]

The coach for our past Legion team is actually on this site. He coaches HS ball. Palimino is big up here. And Showcase has become the rage. Plus, no real Legion options. Several of us agreed to pay for the cost of a team and keep our kids together but the powers that be would not let us move forward.

There was actually talk of GSO coming back last year, I actually think the schedule was held up for a short period of time waiting on an answer.

[gkg]

Having grown up in Shelby, I definitely would like to see the Legion program remain. Nothing like going down Hwy 150 for some friendly (?) competition. Now in Raleigh and problem we have are the high schools are so big. Typically can only draw players from 2 public schools and try to pick up some from private schools in order to stay under population requirements.

[NPC Fanatic]

:two-cents: Play legion in the summer and showcase in the fall ---- the best of both worlds! :drink:

Thanks Tools, I know your deeply involved in legion, good to hear from you too.

TJ, it's good to see you're still our Legion ambassador. Keep up the good work!! :xyxthumbs:

Cya at the ball field..... :patriot:

[tj21]

NPC Fanatic,,,,,,, good to hear from you too,,,,,,,, won't be long,,,,,,,,,, need to get in touch with you,,,,,,,, I've sent you a PM.


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[Dbacks20]

:two-cents: Play legion in the summer and showcase in the fall ---- the best of both worlds! :drink:


I agree 100% have the best of both worlds.....I coach Legion so you know I would like to see the guys out for their Legion teams.....

But, when my son was playing he would play Legion in the summer and showcase in the fall. I always felt the "reps" he got at the plate and the innings he got on the mound during Legion season really had him at the top of his game when it came time for showcase in the fall.

With that said....it is still about the "love of the game" and waht is best for the player. I would like to see all players experience at least one season of Legion ball....playing real baseball almost every night, the atmosphere when you go to a South Caldwell, Cherryville, Shelby, Kannapolis is unbelievable.

Legion ball is a great experience......hope you give it a try!

[niknat]

My son played 3 years of legion for Henderson County. The 1st year we played alot of games and that is when he decided that he really loved the game and wanted to keep playing as long as he can. Each year we had a "core" of players but new ones would join each year from different schools. My son will tell you that was the most fun he has had playing baseball. One of the best parts of it was getting to play with kids that he only knew from playing against them. When you get to know players that you always were rivals with as "your teammate" it changes the way you see people. That is a good lesson for a teenager.

If you can play legion and the team is competitive it will be a good thing. If your area team is not competitive try to get other talented players that you know to play legion and see what it is like to go to Cherryville, Shelby, Caldwell and Pineville to play. These teams have a great tradition and you can feel it when you play them. When you beat one of these teams you can count it as a real victory.

We are going to miss legion ball this summer. My son is planning to play summer wood bat college league since he is too old for legion. But when those big boys come to Hendersonville I will try to go see the games.

I would also like to thank the coaches, players and everyone involved with the legion teams at Shelby, Caldwell, Cherryville and Pineville for keeping those teams at the top. I found out last year how hard it is to keep a program going. Good luck to you all this coming season.