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RaleighDevil
07-08-07, 11:24 AM
You mention three Area I East North Division teams in your post, but only one from the South. You cannot have any idea how much stronger the South is.
If the commissioner hadn't forced a split on the league, and if we had played a round robin, the North would be lucky to get three teams in.
But that's why we have rankings: to let people argue.
travisunc
07-08-07, 11:59 AM
Raleigh,
How are these divisions split?
I was kind of suprised no Kernersville mention.
RaleighDevil
07-08-07, 12:45 PM
Edgecombe
Ahoskie
Edenton
Beaufort
Wilson
Nash County
Pitt 39
Pitt 160
Snow Hill
New Bern
Kinston
Wayne County
Although Wayne is 13-2, six of its wins have come against Garner (down this season), Edgecombe (1-18), and Ahoskie (may not make the playoffs.)
The non-division records are North (19-28) and South (29-12). This includes games against non-Area I East teams. It was taken from this site and includes two updates: http://nclegion.org/srbaseball.htm
Some perspective: beginning in 1991, either Pitt 39 or Wayne or both have appeared in the AIE title series. In the same time, only Rocky Mount (Nash County) from the other division has won it: once, in 1995. In that same time, Pitt (7), Wayne (6) and Snow Hill (2) each have won more titles than the other division put together. Post 39 is going to be hurt by the 160 program from now on.
That's why I'm skeptical about Edenton.
You mention three Area I East North Division teams in your post, but only one from the South. You cannot have any idea how much stronger the South is.
If the commissioner hadn't forced a split on the league, and if we had played a round robin, the North would be lucky to get three teams in.
But that's why we have rankings: to let people argue.
You are alsolutely right....I can only go on information I recieve or find on the web...It is really hard to find out anything if it wasn't for posters on each board...I salute you guys and gals for what info you give me! I would also like to thank Richard Walker of the Gaston Gazzette and Mike London from the Salisbury Post...
travisunc
07-08-07, 09:21 PM
Since I have some extra time on my hands and its a free country, I'm going to post my top 15:
1. Morehead City
2. Rowan County
3. Wayne County
4. Randolph County
5. Cherryville
6. Rutherford
7. Stanly
8. Mocksville-Davie
9. Kernersville
10. Caldwell County
11. Jacksonville
12. Nash County
13. Lexington
14. Asheville
15. Wilmington
HM--South Rowan, New Bern, Durham, E. Randolph, Cary, Charlotte, Edenton
Boxman, you do a great job. This is in no way a jab towards you. Like I said I had a little extra time.
No Problem....Maybe I could team up next year with ya! You seem to have a pretty good handle on the teams.
BTW...Durham beat Nash County last week and it wasn't close.
Them East Boys ain't gonna like it with 10 West and only 5 East teams....LOL
Lets hook up next year and try and do a TBR poll....I could give everyone the base teams with records and let everyone vote
RaleighDevil
07-09-07, 05:15 PM
Comparing teams based on non-division outcomes against each other is a risky business. Even if we had played more games this season, we would not have thrown our top pitchers for long stretches against teams that we didn't need to beat to make the playoffs. And as we all know, any team can stink it up.
I was not aware that Area II gets one team.
travisunc
07-09-07, 05:15 PM
I saw that Nash County score; I think Caldwell smacked Rutherford last night as well. Baseball is the hardest sport to gauge as far as a poll. Every team has at least one pitcher who could shut just about anyone down on a given night if they are hot and the other team is not.
I would like to do the poll with you next year provided time allows. I don't think our opinion differs very much. I was ready to put Rowan at the top, until Steedley went down. Now I'm not 100% sure they are going to get out of Area III South.
I think the way the pairings look in Area I..They only get one...I maybe looking at it wrong?
Maybe JM15 can enlighten us?
Yes...I'm thinking Area I only gets one bid because a Area I team is hosting the Tournament this year.
Looking at last years pairings...Area I, II, & IV got 2 teams and Area III only one since High Point hosted and they were from Area III?????
This was Area 2's year to host the State Tournament (*I think*) and nobody put a bid on it, so Garner bid on it and took it. Someone correct me if I am wrong... but that would explain why Area 2 only gets one rep in the tourney.
This note comes from an e-mail I received from the Area 1 Commissioner earlier today:
"Area I will have a representative from the Eastern Conference and Western Conference, plus the host team, Garner, in the State Tournament.
Note: If Garner wins the Western Conference, the team they defeated in the Conference Finals will advance to the State Tournament."
State Tournament Representatives:
Area I - 3
Area II - 1
Area III - 2
Area IV - 2
Bob (Area I commissioner) is on the ball....He keep everyone informed! I like this guy!
RaleighDevil
07-09-07, 09:01 PM
I talked with Bob recently at one of our games and told him of some of the problems teams had with his predecessors. He said that was because they weren't basball people.
He may be right in part. How many people would give losses to both teams in a suspended game?
On the other hand, certain ways of doing things apply in any situation. You commuinicate with people and don't head for the hills when they have concerns and questions. Bob has been great at keeping the lines open.
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