View Full Version : Mack Brown - You'll never win a National Title
SandMan
09-14-02, 11:29 PM
Why? Because you are a putz. OK, so you are a good recruiter... but the alumni did not like you at UNC, you choked with teams that should have gone further... we "reckon" you'll do the same at Texas.
Texas won big tonight, but if the refs were straight, you're lookint at a 7 to 10 pt game easy... against a Tarheel team that lost most of their defense...
Oh well...
BearBryant
09-15-02, 12:02 AM
you really dont know shit about football do you?
SandMan
09-15-02, 12:06 AM
Originally posted by BearBryant
you really dont know shit about football do you?
Its obvious... more than you. However much that is... Mack will choke...he always has...
BearBryant
09-15-02, 12:33 AM
he may never win a championship but you still dont know shit about football. you proven that timeafter time but I've never said shit to you. You have enough problems fending off everyone else on here.
as long as mack can recruit, he has a chance.
he was the front-runner to replace bobby.
PantherPaul
09-15-02, 01:07 AM
Mack Brown never wanted to play second fiddle to the basketball program so he bolted. How long before Mack gets sacked when he fails to beat KSU or Nebraska and continually isn't a factor in the National Championship. Texans take football seriously. Heels alum would be happy with an annual trip to Atlanta or Jacksonville
i know carolina fans like to think that mack brown just couldn't win the "big one" - - but, seriously, fsu had so much more talent than the heels. it wasn't going to happen. he knew he wasn't going to get those kids in there to beat fsu and, rather than wait around and ruin his reputation, he left for a football school. one with an incredible fanbase, tradition and facilities.
not sure why everyone is so hard on him. it's a no-brainer.
PantherPaul
09-15-02, 02:19 AM
Coming from Carolina fan I could have cared less that he left. He was a great recruiter and like you said he couldn't compete with FSU. My beef was he was offerred the same coin 750,000 to stay at UNC instead of bolt to Texas and he still left. Granted the Heels arn't the Longhorns, but call it what it was. He had job security on Tobacco road. At Texas you have to beat Nebraska every year and be in the title hunt EVERY year or he is gone
texas would be more fun to coach at. he was ready to compete at a higher level. you can understand that, right?
who cares if some coach can win a bunch of basketball games at notre dame. unc comes knocking and he's taking that job.
PantherPaul
09-15-02, 03:43 AM
Sure no problem there. I was just commenting that if job security was an issue Texas aint the place to be compared to Chapel Hill. Heel fans are happy with 7-4. 8-3 with regular defeats to FSU and a tough out of conferance team and then in December a holiday trip to Atlanta or Jacksonville. That is if they ever traveled with team?
Coming from a pure Duke fan perspective, I didn't get the feeling that UNC fans were going to settle for 8-2 or 9-1. Of course they'd happily settle for that now, but back in the day I remember a lot of fans unhappy with the 10-1 Mack put up. I guess it's analagous to Gutheridge's Final Four runs? You never know how well you've got it until it's gone.
SandMan
09-15-02, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by BearBryant
he may never win a championship but you still dont know shit about football. you proven that timeafter time but I've never said shit to you. You have enough problems fending off everyone else on here.
Your hilarious... but really its time to stop trolling and focus on your own weaknesses... :rolleyes:
First off, anyone who has a chance to put himself in a much greater position to succeed for himself after putting in ten or so long hard years building a program deserves it.
Melvin Watkins left UNCC after having taken the reins of a program that was shit for years but was finally starting to go somewhere. He took them to a level and bolted for somewhere else. At the time I was a big UNCC fan, but I didn't miss him. Shit happens and coaches with names go to big schools when they can. Coaches travel and coaches move. It's what happens. I don't fault anyone for leaving a program if they feel they can advance and be at the level to take on a Texas team and have success with it. Mack has. One championship a year is awarded and both in college and NFL, plenty of great teams never won. It's the ultimate goal, but Tom Osborne would have been just as good a coach if he hadn't gotten in on that last luck championship and Mack Brown will be a quality coach regardless of what a few UNC fans think.
He took the bigger challenge with the bigger program and he's been rewarded.
>>as long as mack can recruit, he has a chance.
Exactly. Probably one of the top 5 recruiters in the nation, and has built that program to be bigger than Nebraska's I'd figure.
He doesn't belong in the NFL, I'll say that much, though he'll probably welcome the challenge (he would seem to be a fit with Jacksonville in a few years) and wouldn't really mind giving up Texas to get a pro shot. It wouldn't be a thing for him to spend three years in the pros and come back to college with a pro mindset and he'd end up more successful in the end. But no, he doesn't belong in the NFL.
>>You really don't know shit about football do you?
He may or may not. It's not for me to say which but I think we know where I stand.
The biggest problem here is that Sandy leads with his heart and lets the rest follow to be exposed. He'll probably only speak up about things that are near and dear to his heart and I've found that if I try to discuss and analyze with a clear heart and a fuzzy mind I sound stupid.
mathmajors
09-15-02, 08:30 PM
I only saw people getting blown off the line while that dude ran for 200+ yards. Why hold when you can knock your guy down?
SandMan
09-15-02, 09:02 PM
Originally posted by magnus ver magnusson
First off, anyone who has a chance to put himself in a much greater position to succeed for himself after putting in ten or so long hard years building a program deserves it.
I agree. But call them stupid... several UNC Board members and high ranking contributors were OK with his departure.
Originally posted by SandMan
I agree. But call them stupid... several UNC Board members and high ranking contributors were OK with his departure.
So, apparently, was Texas.
SandMan
09-15-02, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by magnus ver magnusson
The biggest problem here is that Sandy leads with his heart and lets the rest follow to be exposed. He'll probably only speak up about things that are near and dear to his heart and I've found that if I try to discuss and analyze with a clear heart and a fuzzy mind I sound stupid.
Yep, I usually do. All I can say about that is usually with football I am about 50% with my predictions etc...for whatever that is worth. Looking at how the silly boys at ESPN rank fantasy players each week (for money) - I have no shame in my predicitons.
Personally, I am further in my career than my dreams... based on my background, education, etc... there is no job I would rather have. I have two beautiful healthy girls that love to play sports and a wife that puts up with me.
So whats the moral of this story? I'll stick with leading with my heart every single day of the week. And if it makes me look stupid or not in the know when it comes to football talk... thats ok. We all have different priorities in life. I'd rather be where I am personally than take football so seriously that being wrong really matters...
SandMan
09-15-02, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Piper
So, apparently, was Texas.
Texas has been there before... Mack has not brought them anywhere they have not been before...
I don't dislike Mack... I just don't think he is a gamer. His talent won last night, not his coaching, which brings me to his weakness... he'll choke when challenged with equal talent in the big game...
Actually that's not really accurate. Texas was a weak team for years before Brown got there. It started just before he got back, but they weren't powerhouses until he got there.
>>Yep, I usually do. All I can say about that is usually with football I am about 50%
So is a coin. What's your point?
>>So whats the moral of this story?
Apparently that you're willing to go through every phase of life the same way, not considering that some situations require knowledge more than they do raw emotion.
I lead with my heart in life but I wouldn't lead with my heart in football. I take it too seriously to just half-ass and talk out of my neck and then still expect to be taken seriously (you do, else you wouldn't get so damned defensive). Life decisions are one thing, facts are others. I base my opinions based on fact and at the end of the day, if I sound stupid, it's because I made a wrong decision based on what was out there, rather than just hoping that my gut based on biases and preconceptions was going to be good enough.
SandMan
09-15-02, 09:19 PM
Originally posted by Piper
Actually that's not really accurate. Texas was a weak team for years before Brown got there. It started just before he got back, but they weren't powerhouses until he got there. :thinking:
I'm sorry, I thought they had been a top 10 team before more than once before he got there... Ooops guess I was wrong on that. I know they were in a slump.... but I think their "winning tradition" on paper was much stronger than UNC's over the years...
If you're saying they were a bigger program across history, yes. UNC has never been that good at football in the last thirty years that they'd have a national top ten program.
But simply from the idea that they're the name university at a huge state where there really isn't a huge draw elsewhere in the state, they're going to have a big program. They're going to have money. if you're at all trying to suggest that Brown at all inherited the team...
Originally posted by SandMan
:thinking:
but I think their "winning tradition" on paper was much stronger than UNC's over the years...
Univ. of Pittsburgh's "winning tradition" is stronger than UNC's. That ain't saying much.
SandMan
09-15-02, 09:30 PM
Mack was a good recruiter at UNC - no doubt.
Send a good recruiter to a University with hands down a better "football tradition" - especially in the state of Texas then I would expect his recruiting to be better... again... Mack will not win a national title...
he may, and he may not. He's got the horses to do it and he's a quality coach. You being mad about him leaving doesn't change who he is, just your feelings on him.
SandMan
09-15-02, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by magnus ver magnusson
he may, and he may not. He's got the horses to do it and he's a quality coach. You being mad about him leaving doesn't change who he is, just your feelings on him.
Thats where you are dead wrong - its not just my feelings. You'd be better off wording it that people that know more about football than you do also think that... me well call me a lucky guess I don't care... but I'm by no means alone in that thought.
Bottom line, Paterno wouldn't win big games at UNC.
Whether or not Brown can win it all at a big program, we will see.
SandMan
09-15-02, 09:46 PM
Originally posted by Piper
Whether or not Brown can win it all at a big program, we will see.
Take it from a tarhell fan... I doubt it. Take it from multiple board members - they doubt it.
He is a top recruiter, an average coach. I look for him to get fired from Texas in 3-4 years.
Sooner Dave
09-15-02, 10:22 PM
Let me straighten out a statement made on here...
Texas does NOT play Nebraska every year. They play Oklahoma every year. They play Nebraska twice in four years (two years on, two years off) unless they meet in the Big XII title game. You only play half of the opposite division (Texas--Big XII South; Nebraska--Big XII North) each year.
>>Thats where you are dead wrong
Gee, there's a surprise. You think I'm wrong about how I interpret your reactionary feelings.
>> You'd be better off wording it that people that know more about football than you do also think that... me well call me a lucky guess I don't care...
Nah, I wouldn't be better off wording it that way. You want to word it that way to suggest that someone agrees with you that actually does know what he's talking about. Possibly, but that doesn't mean it has anything to do with why you think that, and that's what's at stake here, as usual. If you ever have any actual basis for anything you ever talk about, I'll be proud you made the jump into this world.
>>but I'm by no means alone in that thought.
And yet you always get so pissy whenever anyone else speaks for a group when it's against you :D
The end argument you're trying to sell is that Mack Brown has no chance of winning a national title, and your basic thought there is that you suddenly don't think he's a national championship caliber coach now that he's left Carolina. And naturally, as most things you'll fight to the death that are illogical, this has been something you've carried around for years.
SandMan
09-16-02, 07:44 AM
Originally posted by magnus ver magnusson
that you suddenly don't think he's a national championship caliber coach now that he's left Carolina. And naturally, as most things you'll fight to the death that are illogical, this has been something you've carried around for years.
I never thought he was national championship caliber coach at Carolina or anywhere. There is no "suddenly" to it... :rolleyes:
Shocker
09-16-02, 09:41 AM
If Texas plays like they did against the Heels they will play with anyone in the nation. You MUST make Simms beat you to beat Texas. If you let Benson run wild like that you are at their mercy IMO. The Heels fought hard, but Texas is just more talented in a lot of areas. Williams showed more than I expected as did Simms and Benson. They are a solid team when they are playing well. Not sure if they are #2 - but talent wise they are a least very close.
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