Horntes player talking trash about charlotte

[dukeyhaterunc1baby]

http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/basketball/4326054.htm

look out horntes charlotte wiil not for get about you Brane Davis and other what just said about:mad:

[Big Russ]

lick our collective nuts, baron.

[HighPoint49er]

http://www.nba.com/media/act_baron_davis.jpg :bird1: :bird6: :bird3: :bird5: :bird4: :eatme:

[HighPoint49er]

BTW, their Honeybees don't look too special either.
http://www.nba.com/media/hornets/honeybees3.jpg
These skanks were probably down on Bourbon Street the night before flashing their tits, which is about par for some gals affiliated with Shinn.

[dukeyhaterunc1baby]

i thinks i just sow dancingirl in the Pic look at girl near the woard Street she look a Litebit like her

[lj4three]

Eleven thousand people!" Baron marveled before Saturday night's exhibition against the Washington Wizards at Greensboro Coliseum. "I'd never seen 11,000 at an exhibition before."
sorry baron, we had 10,406 last year against boston in an exhibition- in "dreaded" clt.

"Most of the reason given for not coming before was the owners. So maybe they'll show up...Or maybe they won't," Wesley said with a wry smile.

"It was easy to say (the owners alienated the fans); everybody said it. But I don't know -- the owners didn't play a minute of basketball in Charlotte."

um david- if an owner spits on his fanbase and whores a team out for 2 plus years, i think most fans would bail on the team. bottom line is, we didnt even come last in the league in attendance- that was left to the rockets.


"Who knows what the why was, but they just wouldn't support us," Davis recalled. "It got to the point where we looked forward to being on the road. Then they didn't even show up for playoff games."

thats why your biggest crowd of 15,000 at home in the playoffs resulted in a loss against the nets. you didnt fair to well up in jersey either, baron.

"The town is growing and it's more sophisticated - there's more to do now than there was 14 years ago," Davis said of Charlotte. "Maybe that town has outgrown the sport."

maybe the town grew tired of supporting a team that didnt want to support its fan base??

"If they didn't support us in the second round of the playoffs," Davis concluded, " then why would they support a 20-win expansion team?"

because we did it for 5 straight years- and we'll do it again.

[Shocker]

fuk'm.

[imking4aday]

Originally posted by dukeyhaterunc1baby
i thinks i just sow dancingirl in the Pic look at girl near the woard Street she look a Litebit like her

damn, it kind of does....

[HighPoint49er]

Originally posted by imking4aday
damn, it kind of does....
PhotoGuy has an office in the Big Easy now? Wonder what Mrs. PG thinks of that?

[dukeyhaterunc1baby]

any remuber 3years befor the Draft when baron Davis said he dont want to play for charlotte i thinks from day that the Horntes Draft him he hate i say that had the Horntes sayd in Charlotte that he wouid not have resign with the horntes just because he hate charlotte:mad:

[lj4three]

Originally posted by dukeyhaterunc1baby
any remuber 3years befor the Draft when baron Davis said he dont want to play for charlotte i thinks from day that the Horntes Draft him he hate i say that had the Horntes sayd in Charlotte that he wouid not have resign with the horntes just because he hate charlotte:mad:

i agree dukey- baron was always whining about charlotte even while he played here. fuck him. i cant wait till we get our team and kick NO's ass across the floor.

[Superfluous_Nut]

Wow. You guys are taking things a little personally, ain't ya?

The fact is, the Crowds in Charlotte were very small despite Charlotte putting out a winning team. Sure, you didn't like the owners, fine. But why are you then surprised that the players you didn't support call you on it?

Good luck with a new team. (no sarcasm) Los Angeles used to have two NFL teams and for the last like 5 years we have had none. Dunno when we'll get one, but if a thriving NFL can get a team in Los Angeles, I dunno how a semi-struggling NBA will get a team in Charlotte any time soon.

[dukeyhaterunc1baby]

no we dont why do we in charlotte need to sopurt a team in charlotte then no mater what we do they will not saty in charlotte over all at the end i thinks it going to be good fro both NO and charlotte in 2year we will get a new team and then no one hear in charlotte will ever talk about the Horntes

[lj4three]

Originally posted by dukeyhaterunc1baby
no we dont why do we in charlotte need to sopurt a team in charlotte then no mater what we do they will not saty in charlotte over all at the end i thinks it going to be good fro both NO and charlotte in 2year we will get a new team and then no one hear in charlotte will ever talk about the Horntes

i agree with dukey.

ej- the atmosphere here in clt over the last 2-3 years over the hornets has been downright disgusting. there were no mass-marketing campaigns to draw fans in, there was a lack of committment from the ownership group to try at all costs to make sure a team will plant its soil in charlotte soil, there was a lack of respect by the ownership group to the city and to its fans by lieing about not talking to other cities over relocation, there was a lack of public remorse for their lies and actions, there was a lack of logical bargaining towards the arena, there was a lack of decency in this whole fiasco- wooldridge pushed for a june referendum even though everyone and their grandma told him that it would not pass- november would've been the best chance, they lied about attendance, they lied about secret relocation meetings, they threw charlotte and its fans under the bus all across the mass media. fuck them, they can take their cajun asses and stay in that swamp down there. i agree that our city bumbled the arena issue by putting it to referendum- but its hard to come to a consensus w/ the ownership if they miss 3 meetings (2 for vacation in france of all places), offer to initially not put ANY money into the pot, and threaten the city that they will move. good riddance to those bastards- i dont hate shinn nearly as much as that little bitch wooldridge, but it makes me think that wooldridge was simply shinn's mouthpiece- shinn didnt want to get anymore negative heat on him, so he brought in wooly to do the dirty work.

all i can hope for now is a new team- and it looks like we're headed in that direction.

[dukeyhaterunc1baby]

BTW you mit not belive this when the horntes woar in charlotte i was in 5games 4games in charlotte one game in Miamifor game1 post season back in 2001 and horntes won all 5 games that i want to games BTW in that Miami Horntes i was the only Horntes fan in the game

[lj4three]

Originally posted by dukeyhaterunc1baby
BTW you mit not belive this when the horntes woar in charlotte i was in 5games 4games in charlotte one game in Miamifor game1 post season back in 2001 and horntes won all 5 games that i want to games BTW in that Miami Horntes i was the only Horntes fan in the game

damn dukey- you were a true hornet fan.. it mustve been great to see us kick miami's ass in front of their wine and cheese crowd. were you at game 3 vs the heat in charlotte?? i had seats right behind the heat bench- almost got kicked out for talking shit to tim hardaway and alonzo.. and the milwaukee series was good too- damn, i miss that stuff.

[Superfluous_Nut]

As an outsider, what I've seen happen is Shinn getting blamed for pretty much every perceived problem with the Hornets. Everybody seemed to get pissed off when "star" players left. Well, it looks like the Hornets made out pretty well with every trade they made. Free agents that took off haven't panned out very well yet for their new teams (well, Brad Miller is pretty good, actually, but his agent got him to sign an ungaranteed contract just out of the Hornet's reach). Anyway, the team has done better each year I've been following them. And each year, the crowd is smaller and smaller. Must not have anything to do with the product as many have claimed.

Now I wasn't too interested in Shinn's personal problems. I can see how you might not like the guy for being a creep. I can understand how you might feel a bit pimped out by somebody wanting you to pay for an arena, but hey, isn't that what Charlotte is doing to get a new team to come? I mean, that's the NBA -- you want a team, you gotta have a nice arena. Everything that's happening now is what Shinn wanted for the Hornets but the city seemed to not be interested. The fans seemed to not be interested. Nobody seemed interested in making a deal with Shinn. Can't blame the guy for leaving. Hell, people wanted him gone.

[dukeyhaterunc1baby]

most fan miami's woar nice i was in uper leavavl i had a Horntes Shirt on even thoue i was far from heat and Horntes bench i know both team couid hear me every time Heat player had a free throu i hi zo you suck and other player i talk to much that when the game was over i couid not talk for 6Houers

[dukeyhaterunc1baby]

i dont know about nay of you guys but from this day on i am a HORNTES HATER :mad:

[dukeyhaterunc1baby]

hi the new Arena in Big Easy is 3years old i gues in next 7years from now Shinn's will tall NO or you gut us a new Arena or we will Leav NO

[sds70]

Shinnridge was solely responsible for killing the fanbase here over the arena issue . . . Folks voted down the referendum on the assumption that the league would force the team to stay here, but Stern allowed them to leave. Now, we are about to spend $250+ million on an arena which on terms dictated by the NBA and not the city . . . While folks have a right to be pissed over how many players left here (LJ, Zo, etc.) we still had a competitive product on the court with what we got back (Rice, Divac, etc.). It wasn't like in Montreal where Expos owner Claude Brochu purposely got rid of his talented players (Alou, Walker, etc.) just to save the team some money. Montreal fans have had the right over the last few years to stop supporting MLB ( a real commissioner would've squshed the first salary dump the team got away with :( . . .)

[dukeyhaterunc1baby]

every good player we had we trade or not resign Rice, Divac Rice Trade to LACKERS for Ej and Divac sign with the Kings if you want the fan to sopurt the team you need to sign player and stop makeing bad trade

[lj4three]

Originally posted by Superfluous_Nut
As an outsider, what I've seen happen is Shinn getting blamed for pretty much every perceived problem with the Hornets. Everybody seemed to get pissed off when "star" players left. Well, it looks like the Hornets made out pretty well with every trade they made. Free agents that took off haven't panned out very well yet for their new teams (well, Brad Miller is pretty good, actually, but his agent got him to sign an ungaranteed contract just out of the Hornet's reach). Anyway, the team has done better each year I've been following them. And each year, the crowd is smaller and smaller. Must not have anything to do with the product as many have claimed.

Now I wasn't too interested in Shinn's personal problems. I can see how you might not like the guy for being a creep. I can understand how you might feel a bit pimped out by somebody wanting you to pay for an arena, but hey, isn't that what Charlotte is doing to get a new team to come? I mean, that's the NBA -- you want a team, you gotta have a nice arena. Everything that's happening now is what Shinn wanted for the Hornets but the city seemed to not be interested. The fans seemed to not be interested. Nobody seemed interested in making a deal with Shinn. Can't blame the guy for leaving. Hell, people wanted him gone.

EJ- i was of your point of view until relocation became a gripping reality. Yes, the hornets (all glory to Bob Bass) stayed competitive and were a top 8-10 team in the last 2 years or so. However, a message was sent even when george shinn was selling out 364 consecutive games that shinn wasnt going to pony up to take this team to every fans dream- an nba title. he wasnt willing to do that- it showed by his continous restructuring of the teams roster every 2-3 seasons- or whenever a free agent contract was approaching. That does not win fans- in any sport. Still, the city supported the team. (we averaged just under 20,000 fans after the lockout/shinn sexual assault/coleman signing). Then, here comes ray wooldridge- his main goal was to get a deal for the arena, because shinn felt he couldnt negotiate with the city council and uptown crew (shinn had walked away from an uptown arena deal in 1995 for a paltry $31 million- thats all he had to pay.) So in comes Wooldridge- the first thing he does is tell the city of Charlotte and its fans in late 1999 was tha moving the team out of charlotte was not an option, and there will be no talks with any other city until the Hornets have exhausted all their options.

Okay, so the city council gets a meeting scheduled for that spring in which the Hornets will make their proposal to the city for a new arena- meeting day is here and everything is great- but where are the Hornets?? Oops, Ray had a vacation planned in France so he couldnt make it and George is in Florida. So the city discusses the plan with a team spokesman who is obviously uninformed. Okay, meeting number 2 approaches and same old shit. Ray couldnt make it- had prior obligations in the business field. Okay, says the council, lets go for a 3rd- Ray shows up, and his proposal: City builds an arena for the Hornets to operate and recieve all revenue streams- okay, that is basically what he have right now with the nba, but, that is not a way to NEGOTIATE with a city after missing 2 meetings. He then goes on to say- if we dont get this deal- we're prepared to move. HOLD THE HORSES- is this a threat?? Yes, it sure is. Okay, city decides that Ray is a raving lunatic and decides to formulate their own arena plan- and after a year of deliberating, the city comes with the arena plan to the hornets. The hornets review the document in march of '01, and they push for a JUNE referendum- knowing full well that their year of threats has damaged their viability as a franchise. Add on to that the notion of a publicly funded stadium, plus an ownership group that is growing more disliked by the day, plus trouble amongst the teams players (mason, coleman, wesley-phills, trading jones) and the city is ripe for voting this down. Wooldridge blindly pushes the referendum, and the rest is history.

The final year of hornets basketball starts in charlotte, with NO being mentioned as a possible candidate- it comes to be known that dating back to 1999- the hornets had been in contact with the city of NO in pursuing a franchise move: this is negotiating on bad faith. Wooldridge and the city's rederick get downright nasty, the ownership group fudges ticket numbers to misrepresent the attendance (and garner sympathy)- there were even rumblings that peoples tickets wouldnt be scanned and fans would be ushered in the side doors so they wouldnt be counted. Then, the pimping tour begins- louisville, norfolk, hampton roads, anaheim, oklahoma city, st. louis, the list goes on. Not one attempt is made by the ownership group to try and work something out with the city- and the city is pissed off. The fans get tired of the 2and ahalf year old story- so they stop coming in droves. (attendance- 1997-98: 22500, 98-99:19500, 99-00:17500, 00-01: 15300, 01-02: 12k. Notice a pattern, basically since ray wooldridge showed up in 1999, the teams attendance dropped nearly 50%.

Fans want to see loyalty, committment to a city before they openly support it- and thats what the city did for 11 years. When it became doubtful that the loyalty was there, the city's support began to wane. Despite what the players bitched about, I still dont feel sorry for them- the fans that were there were always loud and were always passionate, what else could the hornets ask for- knowing that their bosses were whores.

[lj4three]

Originally posted by sds70
Shinnridge was solely responsible for killing the fanbase here over the arena issue . . . Folks voted down the referendum on the assumption that the league would force the team to stay here, but Stern allowed them to leave. Now, we are about to spend $250+ million on an arena which on terms dictated by the NBA and not the city . . . While folks have a right to be pissed over how many players left here (LJ, Zo, etc.) we still had a competitive product on the court with what we got back (Rice, Divac, etc.). It wasn't like in Montreal where Expos owner Claude Brochu purposely got rid of his talented players (Alou, Walker, etc.) just to save the team some money. Montreal fans have had the right over the last few years to stop supporting MLB ( a real commissioner would've squshed the first salary dump the team got away with :( . . .)

that assumption was started by no-other-than the packman. i almost got it all over myself after he reported that. :rolleyes: I never bought that theory Sds, I thought it was totally misplaced priorities by a sports station to allow packman to actually push for people to vote against the referendum. sds, have you noticed how much pack bashes the nba- for its "garbage" plays, and "thug" players, and out of control salaries- yet he praises baseball up the ass?? Pack pisses me off and i dont listen to his show anymore- he is one of the reasons (his attitude) that the buggs are in NO.

Although the city is being semi-coerced into this new arena deal- i think this plan is far better than any arena deal we've seen. The proximity to the square (2 blocks), the location next to the trolley line, bus center, future multi-modal transit center, entertainment district, bars and restaurants, worker proximity, parking and accesibility, plus potential economic development all make this first ward site look to be downright critical for uptown to take that next step.

[PantherPaul]

Hell Shinn and Wolldridge played Charlotte like a cheap violin. They knew they could slide out of Chjarlotte and find a dumb ass city to give them the world. Piss off enough people by stunts like passing out mardi gras beads in February and people stay away. Then Shinn just goes and says "the city isn't supporting us" so what is Stern to do, stop him? Charlotte can sit back and say they don't like Shinn but we lost a great team. If/when we get a team back you think they will sniff the playoffs anytime soon? Think people will come back in droves? David Stern better make Charlotte a sweet deal otherwise it's a crap team for a minimum of 5 years. If Charlotte gets anything like what Vancouver got (no number 1 pick for 3 years) then they are f&cked. As much as I would like Bird in the owners mix, having Robert Johnsons billions and race would be a nice draw for both the team and league. Maybe Bird and Johnson could co-exist, rightttttttt

[Obewon]

I can understand were the players are coming from to an extent....Fans have always been the 6th man. Last year the team was already gone....Charlotte knew it, and Shinridge new it. Your not gonna get any support and your leaving......I noticed not one player mention the year before when they swept the Favored Heat, and took the Bucks to 7 games. I think the the first home playoff game that year drew a crowd of 22k, and the average home playoff game that year was like 15K, well above there average for the year (regular season). It was just a bad situation, Shinn was stuburn, Woolridge wanted to move anyway, Shinn didn't want to sell (I still can't figure that out....MJ come on!) The City Concil made it worse with spilling the nogotiations out to the public...The arena is in the 2010 plan, which means you were gonna build it anyway.....build it now, and it would be alot cheaper. Regaurdless of what the fans think, Charlotte lost a good team, they contantly made the playoffs....And if you ask me that's want you want on the floor...Hey, Chicago HATES Jerry Krause, and current ownership, but they still drew a larger crowd than the Hornets.....and Chicago has SUCKED the last 4 years!

I just think the fans are not gonna flock into the new staduim when the new team starts......Althought they have some great canidates for owners.

[sds70]

Originally posted by lj4three


that assumption was started by no-other-than the packman. i almost got it all over myself after he reported that. :rolleyes: I never bought that theory Sds, I thought it was totally misplaced priorities by a sports station to allow packman to actually push for people to vote against the referendum. sds, have you noticed how much pack bashes the nba- for its "garbage" plays, and "thug" players, and out of control salaries- yet he praises baseball up the ass?? Pack pisses me off and i dont listen to his show anymore- he is one of the reasons (his attitude) that the buggs are in NO.

Although the city is being semi-coerced into this new arena deal- i think this plan is far better than any arena deal we've seen. The proximity to the square (2 blocks), the location next to the trolley line, bus center, future multi-modal transit center, entertainment district, bars and restaurants, worker proximity, parking and accesibility, plus potential economic development all make this first ward site look to be downright critical for uptown to take that next step.


Remember also, Packman's sole NBA source (an owner he never identified) said that the team wasn't going anywhere . . . . Oh well :rolleyes: . . . Pack [adlib]: 'The league can't force Shinnridge to sell the team, but they can make them stay' . . . Oh well again :rolleyes: . .

I think deep down, Pack could care less about the NBA. You never heard of him going out to games (even if he didn't want to pay for front row seats, he could've taken the family out by getting one of those Hornets family packs which was a good deal). Only game he was there in the final year was the night for the late WHINER LINE caller, INDIANA JONES JR. (Jeff Gray's family was honored). Instead of pimping one game, he could've said 'Hey folks, lets show the NBA we still care about the Hornets . . I wan't you to go to as many games as possible this season . . . sign petitions, bring signs to the game, write/e-mail David Stern, etc.' But no, we were teazed by Bruton Smith's bogus quest to bring the Magic to town and continally told that the Hornets were going to stay in CLT (notice he hasn't stepped up to the plate to be a potential owner of an Expansion team here . . . why doesn't Packman bust Bruton's balls about this :rolleyes: :rolleyes: . . . ).

[Superfluous_Nut]

I see it like this:

Shinn pretty much said what it would take to keep him here and the city tried to strong arm him. they figured he wouldn't be allowed to move or wouldn't find another city that'd do what he wanted. it backfired and he found one.

The memphis thing two years ago, I think, was a move to show that he was serious. He applied to move to memphis after the grizz did the same thing. Obviously he wasn't gonna be able to actually move, but he was able to show his intent.

We'll see how a new team fares. I'm sure it'll be standard expansion rules -- no top 3 draft pick for like 3 years. Good luck.

[lj4three]

Originally posted by Superfluous_Nut
I see it like this:

Shinn pretty much said what it would take to keep him here and the city tried to strong arm him. they figured he wouldn't be allowed to move or wouldn't find another city that'd do what he wanted. it backfired and he found one.

The memphis thing two years ago, I think, was a move to show that he was serious. He applied to move to memphis after the grizz did the same thing. Obviously he wasn't gonna be able to actually move, but he was able to show his intent.

We'll see how a new team fares. I'm sure it'll be standard expansion rules -- no top 3 draft pick for like 3 years. Good luck.

not totally true in a perspective standpoint- shinn applied for relocation in april of 2001, just 2 months before the referendum- that was the final nail in the coffin for the referendum.. tell me, who in their right minds would play that card before the vote?? shinnridge seemed to not give a fuck about staying in charlotte b/c they knew NOLA was willing to give 'em the house. it was all a smokescreen, ej.

the 2001 playoffs we averaged 20,000 fans (drew 22,386, 17,300, 18,500 and 24,000 respectively)- thats pretty damn good fan support considering the relocation saga- plus, those were damn loud crowds. :)

paul- i agree with what your saying about the expansion team advantages that MUST be provided to ensure the viability of the team being a hot commodity in the area. Just remember, steve belkin/larry bird have already openly stated that in today's NBA and today's market, the initial success and "hope" that an expansion team has is ABSOLUTELY crucial for success- otherwise, their is no point. Belkin has been boisterous about this issue, stating that he expects to get many more concessions in a FA/expansion draft/draft pick sense- otherwise, he thinks that the expansion team will fail. So, i have a strong feeling that the NBA will agree to some concessions for us- otherwise, belkin wont be involved.