View Full Version : Will John Bunting be fired after this year?
SilverSurfer
11-02-02, 07:12 PM
I'd say it was a possibility. I did not see the game today, but the Holes have scored 7 points in 2 games against Wake and Maryland.
SilverSurfer
11-02-02, 07:13 PM
Oh - and outscored 90-7.
Originally posted by SilverSurfer
Oh - and outscored 90-7.
Probably he gets one more year. Gerry Faust got three and Bunting bleeds blue.
dukeyhaterunc1baby
11-02-02, 07:29 PM
bunting shoud be fired i belive the key game for is the Duke game if unc can win he will stayd if not ithinks he very well wouid be fired
mramailman
11-02-02, 08:15 PM
IMO he won't be. This is still mostly an inherited team that he is coaching and don't forget he's an alumnus. He'll get another year and IMO another after next if next year is a 5 or more win season.
I keep hearing Woody say that we're having a top 10 recruiting class but how the hell is that possible since we are sucking major ass this year?
Another thing if we do have this "top 10" class most won't pay off until 2004.... which by the above statement would be put up or shut up for Bunting.
BearBryant
11-02-02, 09:11 PM
No way he gets fired. What other HC would even think of coming to UNC after a HC was fired after just 2 years? Got to give him 4 years. UNC's def has lost what 7 players to injury this year? and lost 8 (?) last year? I'm not sure any team can handle that and be competitive. Don't have any excuse for that pathetic offense though.
Hell no he won't be fired.
I am pissed that this year's team appears to have quit already.
They will not win another game this year. I wouldn't be surprised if dook doesn't crush them.
But Bunting needs to get a chance to get his own players in here.
The defensive losses from last year ( 2 top FIVE picks) plus now all the injuries has really stuck him with no D.
losing Durant didn't help much either. I still think Bunting is a good coach and will turn the program around eventually.
HeadCase
11-03-02, 12:42 AM
wossa. ya must be another company man just towing the line.
Originally posted by HeadCase
wossa. ya must be another company man just towing the line.
:rolleyes: no. I just don't think you fire a guy after he takes a team expected to roll over to a bowl victory when he has one bad season.
Have to at least give the guy a fucking chance.
:rolleyes:
wow, you carolina guys are universal in your excuses now. Every damn coach needs "his" players. What about women's lacrosse, tell me about unc's women's lacrosse.
mailman
11-03-02, 07:26 AM
Originally posted by WYDD
What about women's lacrosse, tell me about unc's women's lacrosse.
Here you go (http://tarheelblue.ocsn.com/sports/w-lacros/unc-w-lacros-body.html)
blueblood1
11-03-02, 02:22 PM
Bunting will be there for atleast 2 more years. Injuries and the loss of 10 starters off of last years team has hurt. I was not a big Durant fan, but his absence is bigger than I thought. I really believe the tough early schedule has hurt the confidence of this team too. I love the fact taht JB wants to play people, but the personel on this team aint equipped to handle it. The recruiting class is coming along nicely, and yes, you can recruit well and still suck - UVA did it last year. They pulled in a top 10 class and they were horrible last season. I'm not sure I like Huxtable as the DC either. Maybe a change should be made there. On a positive note, the Blue/White game, from what i'm hearing, was very exciting. It looks like David Noel may be the biggest steal in the country. 20+ points and 14 Reb. Jawad Williams with 30 and McCants with 36. Sean May is still resting the banged up knee and didn't play. I'm hearing this team is very quick and even more athletic.
mathmajors
11-03-02, 02:29 PM
Originally posted by BearBryant
No way he gets fired. What other HC would even think of coming to UNC after a HC was fired after just 2 years? Got to give him 4 years. UNC's def has lost what 7 players to injury this year? and lost 8 (?) last year? I'm not sure any team can handle that and be competitive. Don't have any excuse for that pathetic offense though.
HighPoint49er
11-03-02, 02:58 PM
From Andrew Jones, Inside Carolina (http://northcarolina.theinsiders.com/2/73534.html)...
Reaching new low points is beginning to become a common practice for the North Carolina Tar Heels. Perhaps a simple punt play with six minutes left in the first half best describes what this UNC team has become.
On fourth-and-eight from its own 48-yard-line, Tar Heels' punter John Lafferty booted the ball just 29 yards to Maryland's Steve Suter, who danced through UNC's coverage 77 yards for a touchdown to put the Terrapins up 24-7. Adding to Carolina's miserable reality is that the Heels were flagged for three different penalties on the play: Illegal procedure, a halo violation, and a personal foul.
SandMan
11-03-02, 04:01 PM
He will not be fired for 3 reasons...
1. Other head coaches were given more time to suck. (Its to soon)
2. The his or not player deal...
3. SEC fans may not admit it, but the most dominate conference in College basketball is becoming a better football conference. The FSU effect is taking place, teams are getting better in the ACC.
Shocker
11-05-02, 11:32 AM
He won't last long losing like they are right now. He will probably be the coach next year - but a rah rah guy just isn't always enough. They are getting absolutely destoryed lately and it is just unacceptable IMO.
BearBryant
11-05-02, 11:43 AM
Originally posted by SandMan
He will not be fired for 3 reasons...
3. SEC fans may not admit it, but the most dominate conference in College basketball is becoming a better football conference. The FSU effect is taking place, teams are getting better in the ACC.
who is getting better?
chipshot
11-05-02, 12:02 PM
Originally posted by BearBryant
who is getting better?
Wake and Duke
Originally posted by chipshot
Wake and Duke
Pretty soon they will be able to compete with Temple.
The ACC is getting better.
PanthersReturn
11-05-02, 12:23 PM
You're right - the ACC is getting better. I think they even have the same number of teams in the Top 15 of the BCS as the vaunted SEC...two...
:rolleyes:
SandMan
11-05-02, 12:25 PM
Originally posted by BearBryant
who is getting better?
Wake, Duke, Maryland, State... to name a few.
BearBryant
11-05-02, 12:44 PM
State kicks ass. Especially teams ranked out of the top 50.
I think UVA is on the rise. They got the best coach in the ACC. That includes Bowden. Both of em.
BearBryant
11-05-02, 01:43 PM
I think gutter is right
PanthersReturn
11-05-02, 02:13 PM
You guys really think Al Doh is the best coach in the conference?
The Bowdens aren't that impressive anymore.
Ralph at Maryland is good. Amato is getting the talent he needs.
But Al?
Would you prefer Carl Franks?
Let's break it down.
Wake is ok and will always be ok.
Carolina - see wake.
Dook - nope
FSU - I'm not saying Al is a better coach than Bobby, I'm saying Al is a better coach than Bobby at 80.
Clemp - always average
Maryland - he is pretty good.
State - Amato is a good coach, but let's hold off until they play OSU.
GT - another good caoch but couldn't win with Jerry Jones money nbacking him.
And UVA - Groh is a mentor, a likeable guy, runs a clean respectable program, pro experience, alma mater. It's a good fit. I think UVA will be the best team in the ACC in three years.
PanthersReturn
11-05-02, 03:21 PM
I think Grobe has turned Wake around - the Noles have come down a few notches, but Jim has improved them faster than I thought he could.
Amato is an excellent recruiter - he's in his 3rd year - give him 5, and State should be top 10 every year.
Franks has the toughest job in the ACC, and it appears he's made some progress - beating ECU, and losing a close one to Clemson.
Jerry Jones didn't part with that much $ for Chan - and what he did spend, he didn't get value. Gailey was a solid OC for Pittburgh - but with a meddlesome owner like JJ - unless you're a lap dog, you're gone. Jimmy Johnson put the talent together, and they executed. Barry won with Jimmy's talent, not Jerry's. I think Gailey will keep Georgia Tech strong/improving.
Bunting is a solid coach - he's got more injuries than the Panthers do. The Lite Blue pansies will recruit, and they will be back (unfortunately).
The Fridge at Maryland can coach - and will continue to improve. They started slow with Perry out, but are really putting things together.
Not sure about the Noles. Did the game pass Bowden by? Doubtful - even JoePa reinvented himself. Bobby will get the talent - not sure who will succeed him now. They'll be back.
Clemson amazes me - I thought they had talent, but they don't play together. I like Mike O'Cain (as a person) - great wife & kids, but can he not plan a game, or are those boneheads too dumb to execute on the field? Baby Bowden better put it together, fast. I thought they'd be in the top 1/2 of the ACC.
I think Groh will have his hands full - if he can recruit as good as Bunting, Amato & the Bowdens, maybe he can do it. I enjoyed their comeback win again the squeHeels.
I think overall the coaching in the conference has improved. I always liked George there too - he was a JoePa protege...
40Whiners
09-11-06, 09:45 PM
4 years later....JB still hanging around.
sockittome16
09-11-06, 10:09 PM
He has some good recruiting classes coming in. Hakeem Nicks is a player. Independence is starting to become WR High. Barnes is going to be good in college to and Raley and Massaquoi at UGA along with Eric Lyon and some others.
kickazzz2000
09-16-06, 09:17 PM
fixed
it's a race bwtween Bunting and amato to see who gets fired first
right now it's a dead heat
fixed
Looks like they actually scored some points. Given up that many to Furman, the defense must suck.
kickazzz2000
09-16-06, 11:32 PM
First downs FU 30, UNC 19
Total Yards FU 489, UNC 448
Passing FU 271, UNC 264
Rushing FU 218, UNC 184
Ol John looks like hes got a hell of a defense in year 6 of his program.
twentybelow0
09-17-06, 06:46 AM
Please, for pete's sake, fire him!
allrightnow
09-17-06, 07:05 AM
Looks like they actually scored some points. Given up that many to Furman, the defense must suck.
Granted the UNC D sucks, but Furman's defense wasn't much better, getting touched for 45 points.
Granted the UNC D sucks, but Furman's defense wasn't much better, getting touched for 45 points.
Yes, but it's Furman.
Yes, but it's Furman.
Carolina gave up fewer points than that to Virginia Tech, so Furman's offense must be pretty good. It would be interesting to see what they'd do if they were I-A in a mid-major. I'd like to have seen the game, but judging by the statistics either their QB is pretty efficient or the pass defense just slept in.
gottalaff
09-17-06, 09:21 AM
Carolina gave up fewer points than that to Virginia Tech, so Furman's offense must be pretty good. It would be interesting to see what they'd do if they were I-A in a mid-major. I'd like to have seen the game, but judging by the statistics either their QB is pretty efficient or the pass defense just slept in.
Wow.
The Brain
09-18-06, 11:00 AM
I've defended Bunting for a LONG time... I've felt if given time he could rebuild it to respectable levels.
I've realized I was wrong. I like him as a recruiter, and he'd probably make a hell of an assistant, but someone else needs to coach the Tar Heels.
Freakshow
09-18-06, 11:07 AM
He has some good recruiting classes coming in. Hakeem Nicks is a player. Independence is starting to become WR High. Barnes is going to be good in college to and Raley and Massaquoi at UGA along with Eric Lyon and some others.
Right now Jason Barnes is a South Carolina lean. He has N. Carolina as his second favorite...
THE GUTTER
09-18-06, 11:34 AM
UVA is not the best team in the league. Wow, I don't know shit. Never underestimate an 80 year old man.
allrightnow
09-19-06, 11:57 AM
Yes, but it's Furman.
Before that game, Furman was the #4 team in D1-AA. They were beaten deep in the playoffs last year by App State, the eventual National Champ for 1-AA. They have a good team and they didn't go to Chapel Thrill just for a payday.
vpkozel
09-19-06, 12:02 PM
Before that game, Furman was the #4 team in D1-AA. They were beaten deep in the playoffs last year by App State, the eventual National Champ for 1-AA. They have a good team and they didn't go to Chapel Thrill just for a payday.
DUDE, IT'S STILL FURMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
doesnt matter if furman was back to back to back to back to back champs. UNC should blow them out everytime.
doesnt matter if furman was back to back to back to back to back champs. UNC should blow them out everytime.
Agreed. *sigh*
vpkozel
09-19-06, 12:20 PM
Agreed. *sigh*
Hey, at least we actually beat them this time. :woohoo:
SilverSurfer
09-19-06, 12:32 PM
http://www.newsobserver.com/content/multimedia/sports/miamitwice/
Hey, at least we actually beat them this time. :woohoo:
rolf...at least you didnt get stomped by western michigan...sheesh
DUDE, IT'S STILL FURMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kinda sad that needed repeating.
Paladin
09-19-06, 01:11 PM
Div. II West Georgia held Furman to less points (24). Actually, Furman only scored three less points against W. Ga. and Jacksonville St. together than it did alone against UNC.
It was the performance many Paladin fans had been waiting to see from our QB Renaldo Gray. He played hurt and then left the Jacksonville St. game, and the next week went only 4/12 for 23 yds. vs W. Ga (though that was a ball-control game; we had 226 yds rushing). We were starting to worry that the loss of Ingle Martin was really going to cost the team this year. But 20/27 for 310 yds. against a I-A team has eased those concerns.
But 20/27 for 310 yds. against a I-A team has eased those concerns.
It works both ways. IT WAS UNC!!! ;)
allrightnow
09-19-06, 09:36 PM
doesnt matter if furman was back to back to back to back to back champs. UNC should blow them out everytime.
I agree whole heartedly, and will in basketball. Carolina football can hardly beat their way out of a wet paper bag right now and may never be able to be more than a 6 win a year team. This year may be a 1 win team with the schedule they have. I hope that isn't true and one day those 1-AA teams are in town for a payday in exchange for a whoopin'. Maybe they should've scheduled Western Carolina for a blowout instead. The Cats might've rolled over for the Heelz. I'd say one more year for Bunting.
I wonder how Amato possibly being fired will affect Bunting. Will Carolina try to look "superior" by not "hastily" dumping their coach? Will they be more inclined to fire Bunting so that they can beat State to the better candidates? Whatever the case, there's nothing good about college football in the Carolinas right now.
Freakshow
09-19-06, 10:33 PM
Whatever the case, there's nothing good about college football in the Carolinas right now.
What about the Gamecocks? Uh, nevermind...
BigVito
09-19-06, 10:43 PM
I wonder how Amato possibly being fired will affect Bunting. Will Carolina try to look "superior" by not "hastily" dumping their coach? Will they be more inclined to fire Bunting so that they can beat State to the better candidates? Whatever the case, there's nothing good about college football in the Carolinas right now.
Badour will fuck it up no matter what.
Paladin
09-20-06, 12:28 AM
Whatever the case, there's nothing good about college football in the Carolinas right now.
At least on the I-A level. App State, Furman, and, believe it or not, Elon are looking rather strong this year in I-AA.
Village Idiot
09-20-06, 06:22 AM
Badour will fuck it up no matter what.thats the root of this whole thing. there are plenty of good coaches out there. they dont have to be alums. they dont need big time credentials. all they need is the ability to coach. look at what some of these guys do with these teeny tiny programs. their kids play good football. buntings teams play shitty football. its time to show him the door while we're down.
mathmajors
09-20-06, 07:34 AM
I wonder how Amato possibly being fired will affect Bunting. Will Carolina try to look "superior" by not "hastily" dumping their coach? Will they be more inclined to fire Bunting so that they can beat State to the better candidates? Whatever the case, there's nothing good about college football in the Carolinas right now.
Is there any particular reason you think State is more likely to fire Amato before Carolina fires Bunting? Other than media influence, I mean.
Is there any particular reason you think State is more likely to fire Amato before Carolina fires Bunting? Other than media influence, I mean.
amato's mouth
thats the root of this whole thing. there are plenty of good coaches out there. they dont have to be alums. they dont need big time credentials. all they need is the ability to coach. look at what some of these guys do with these teeny tiny programs. their kids play good football. buntings teams play shitty football. its time to show him the door while we're down.
Bunting is a great recruiter but as a Head Coach he just plain out sucks. That's the gist of the whole thing. Players seem to love him but he just doesn't seem to know what to do with them once he recruits them. i had hoped that hiring the guy from Fresno St as Off Co-ord would perk up the offense but it doesn't look much better than the one last year (or previous years for that matter). The defense has been bad pretty much the whole time Bunting has been there. I hope if Bunting does get fired they don'tjust look at alums this time too. Probably some damn fine coaches out there that just need a shot but with Baddour doing the hiring that's probably wishful thinking.
Thank God basketball practice starts in less than 4 weeks :)
a great recruiter? his recruiting classes have sucked ass for the most part. His best class was 2003 and they are on the field now. Just look what they are doing. Maybe im missing something.
vpkozel
09-20-06, 08:59 AM
beat State to the better candidates?
If Cowher is coming to State, I don't think we could beat that :(
maybe unc could get michael jordan to coach. Couldnt do any worse than bunting and I know jordan would out recruit him. :rolleyes:
look at what some of these guys do with these teeny tiny programs. their kids play good football. buntings teams play shitty football. its time to show him the door while we're down.
I'm guessing that you don't know that most of those small school coaches actually fail and get fired when they move to a big conference program. Hell, look at Dan Hawkins who was the top small school coaching prospect in the country, and he made Colorado worse than it already was. Plus Bunting has coached in the NFL, which is an extra advantage both in terms of experience and recruiting. Honestly, I think he's a fine head coach, he just needs an easier schedule and a better defensive coordinator.
Is there any particular reason you think State is more likely to fire Amato before Carolina fires Bunting? Other than media influence, I mean.
Expectations, mostly. State boosters spent a crapload of money getting the facilities upgraded recently, and Amato has actually done worse against the ACC than Bunting.
i had hoped that hiring the guy from Fresno St as Off Co-ord would perk up the offense but it doesn't look much better than the one last year (or previous years for that matter).
Dude, wtf? How could you not know that the offense has been great this season aside from Dailey's turnovers? Seriously, that's like the last of Carolina's problems.
DaveW:
Uhm ... his recruiting class this past year was in the top 25.
vpkozel:
You're making fun of State fans, right?
Uhm ... his recruiting class this past year was in the top 25
hmm...havent seen unc's class in the top 25 for this year.
and I didnt know getting a top a class in the top 25 was a good year for unc.
:stickpoke:
If Cowher is coming to State, I don't think we could beat that :(
First guy I thought of too. Timing is off though. You would need someone to coach a year or two unless you think Cowher really is gone after THIS year.
DaveW:
It is good for an ACC school. We're not the SEC. *sigh*
vpkozel
09-20-06, 09:55 AM
vpkozel:
You're making fun of State fans, right?
Have you not seen that he bought a house in Raleigh and his family is living there for the rest of his dauter's HS, or heard reports that he has gotten kinda worn down with the pro life and continual cheapskating by the Rooney's?
No, unfortunately - I'm not kidding. I'm not saying it's a lock, but it also wouldn't suprise me one, little bit.
Have you not seen that he bought a house in Raleigh and his family is living there for the rest of his dauter's HS, or heard reports that he has gotten kinda worn down with the pro life and continual cheapskating by the Rooney's?
No, unfortunately - I'm not kidding. I'm not saying it's a lock, but it also wouldn't suprise me one, little bit.
i think all it would take is a phone call from cowher and amato would be skipping across the pavement on his ass
i think all it would take is a phone call from cowher and amato would be skipping across the pavement on his ass
prolly right.
defensive coordinator....Chuck Amato would be nice if he loves NC State like he says he does.
mathmajors
09-20-06, 10:19 AM
defensive coordinator....Chuck Amato would be nice if he loves NC State like he says he does.
Yeah, Chuck, take one for the team already.
Have you not seen that he bought a house in Raleigh and his family is living there for the rest of his dauter's HS, or heard reports that he has gotten kinda worn down with the pro life and continual cheapskating by the Rooney's?
No, he's thinking about getting out of coaching all together. The reports are that he's getting burned out on coaching and that he wants to spend more time with his family. There is almost no chance that he leaves Pittsburgh to coach State. Seriously, that's the nonsense crap that Wolfpack fans have been babbling about forever, and it's just crazy talk.
QC REPRESENT
09-20-06, 11:07 AM
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vpkozel
09-20-06, 11:14 AM
No, he's thinking about getting out of coaching all together. The reports are that he's getting burned out on coaching and that he wants to spend more time with his family. There is almost no chance that he leaves Pittsburgh to coach State. Seriously, that's the nonsense crap that Wolfpack fans have been babbling about forever, and it's just crazy talk.
It wouldn't suprise me at all if he got out altogether either. But the college job is much less stress and time commitment and he'd still probably be able to get some decent coin from State. Plus, it'd be a relatively no lose proposition for him.
I don't read the State boards. Just putting 2 and 2 together.
But the college job is much less stress and time commitment
No, actually college jobs are more of a time commitment, as several coaches who have done both have stated. The difference, obviously, is that in addition to all the normal coaching you have to do, in college you're burdened with recruiting as well. And I doubt there would be less stress either, at least for Cowher, since he's had things pretty good in Pittsburgh. Anyway, Cowher has been a head coach for the last fifteen years so I think he's probably about done with that, at least for a while.
vpkozel
09-20-06, 11:43 AM
No, actually college jobs are more of a time commitment, as several coaches who have done both have stated. The difference, obviously, is that in addition to all the normal coaching you have to do, in college you're burdened with recruiting as well. And I doubt there would be less stress either, at least for Cowher, since he's had things pretty good in Pittsburgh. Anyway, Cowher has been a head coach for the last fifteen years so I think he's probably about done with that, at least for a while.
Really? All I ever hear about is the 16 hour days during the season and the only getting a little while off during the offseason to recharge. I realize that you have recruiting in college, but I would still think you'd have more downtime overall - including not sleeping in your office for 4 months a year.
Anyway - like I said, it wouldn't suprise me if he left altogther either. He's got to have some good money put away and likely could get a high paying job as a studio guy too. I agree with you that if State fans are delusional if think that they can somehow convince Cowher to take the job by their unique situmatation. But if he calls up and says he wants the job, they'd certainly give it to him.
Some high type A personality types can just walk away into the sunset. Most can't though. And as I don't know Bill Cowher - and I'm assuming you don't either - we have no idea what he's gonna do.
Edit - and it's not like it's unprecedented for a head coach to leave an NFL team for his alma mater. Exceedingly rare, but not unprecedented.
Freakshow
09-20-06, 12:02 PM
No, actually college jobs are more of a time commitment, as several coaches who have done both have stated. The difference, obviously, is that in addition to all the normal coaching you have to do, in college you're burdened with recruiting as well. And I doubt there would be less stress either, at least for Cowher, since he's had things pretty good in Pittsburgh. Anyway, Cowher has been a head coach for the last fifteen years so I think he's probably about done with that, at least for a while.
Agree with Collin here. Recruiting has become a 365 day a year job. That takes a lot of time...
sockittome16
09-20-06, 12:08 PM
If Cowher leaves a Super Bowl calibur team to go down to college to coach the N.C. State Wolfpack (even with personal reasons factoring into it) he is the biggest idiot on the face of the earth.
Really? All I ever hear about is the 16 hour days during the season and the only getting a little while off during the offseason to recharge. I realize that you have recruiting in college, but I would still think you'd have more downtime overall - including not sleeping in your office for 4 months a year.
I think you're getting confused. The college game is the one where you hardly have any off time. NFL coaches have it a lot easier during the off-season, for while they're still breaking down film, they aren't doing that and coaching, and thus they aren't having those long days. As for how much time an NFL coach spends at the office, it depends on the coach and how obsessive they are. Jon Gruden lives at the facilities because he's a workaholic, but an average coach might only do that two or maybe three nights a week. Seriously, college is a lot more time consuming. It isn't even close.
QC REPRESENT
09-20-06, 12:36 PM
also factor in having to make sure your players are going to class, and passing, etc. Steve Spurrier just bought one of the many new condos around Williams Bryce and cited one reason being he could use it to crash after a long night at the office
vpkozel
09-20-06, 12:49 PM
Agree with Collin here. Recruiting has become a 365 day a year job. That takes a lot of time...
See. I'm a uniter, not a divider. :woohoo:
Village Idiot
09-20-06, 06:24 PM
I'm guessing that you don't know that most of those small school coaches actually fail and get fired when they move to a big conference program. Hell, look at Dan Hawkins who was the top small school coaching prospect in the country, and he made Colorado worse than it already was. Plus Bunting has coached in the NFL, which is an extra advantage both in terms of experience and recruiting. Honestly, I think he's a fine head coach, he just needs an easier schedule and a better defensive coordinator.collin, he's not a good head coach. maybe a good assistant. maybe a good NFL assistant, maybe a good D1 assistant. he isnt a good head coach. there is a big difference. some guys have "it" and some guys dont. his teams, even the more successful ones (above .500 :rolleyes: ) were sloppy, penalty prone and subject to swings in consistent play. you never know what you're going to get on any given saturday with a john bunting coached team. give me somebody who pays attention to detail, somebody who gets the little things right. someone who prepares well. losing is one thing but playing shitty football is another. i can accept the fact that talent comes and goes. i can accept the fact that unc football isnt notre dame or michigan, ive been around long enough to know that. but i do know that you can take a group of kids and coach them up to the point that they at least look like they have a semblance of a football IQ. look at what rutgers and furman did to us (sorry, we need to schedule "easier" teams, my bad)....did we lose THAT much talent?.....torched by the run against one and the pass by yet another. our guys are lost. he can make all the excuse he wants to the press but it wont help when the whistle blows on saturday. his guys will be lost again at clemson.....another ass beating. not a loss, but an ass beating. last in several defensive categories among ALL ACC teams, Wake, Duke, NCSU name them off. we have yet to face the meat of our schedule and yet we are getting bombed. bunting must go.
I'm not saying he's a great coach, just that if you think it's easy to find a good one then you're dreaming. Carolina could very easily get worse under their next guy.
mathmajors
09-20-06, 08:56 PM
collin, he's not a good head coach. maybe a good assistant. maybe a good NFL assistant, maybe a good D1 assistant. he isnt a good head coach. there is a big difference. some guys have "it" and some guys dont. his teams, even the more successful ones (above .500 :rolleyes: ) were sloppy, penalty prone and subject to swings in consistent play. you never know what you're going to get on any given saturday with a john bunting coached team. give me somebody who pays attention to detail, somebody who gets the little things right. someone who prepares well. losing is one thing but playing shitty football is another. i can accept the fact that talent comes and goes. i can accept the fact that unc football isnt notre dame or michigan, ive been around long enough to know that. but i do know that you can take a group of kids and coach them up to the point that they at least look like they have a semblance of a football IQ. look at what rutgers and furman did to us (sorry, we need to schedule "easier" teams, my bad)....did we lose THAT much talent?.....torched by the run against one and the pass by yet another. our guys are lost. he can make all the excuse he wants to the press but it wont help when the whistle blows on saturday. his guys will be lost again at clemson.....another ass beating. not a loss, but an ass beating. last in several defensive categories among ALL ACC teams, Wake, Duke, NCSU name them off. we have yet to face the meat of our schedule and yet we are getting bombed. bunting must go.
Then there's that whole Willie Parker thing. :pokeythingie:
vpkozel
09-21-06, 09:33 AM
I'm not saying he's a great coach, just that if you think it's easy to find a good one then you're dreaming.
Especially if you let him leave town without signing a contract :mad:
Village Idiot
09-21-06, 08:46 PM
I'm not saying he's a great coach, just that if you think it's easy to find a good one then you're dreaming. Carolina could very easily get worse under their next guy.thats quite possible
i admire your faith collin
I have to agree with Village Idiot's rant up there. So many games under Bunting the Heel's never even look competitive. Whether it's to a weaker opponent like Furman or giving up 600 yards to Utah or getting completely waxed by Louisville.
Beating State is nice and upsetting a Miami or FSU is cool but they can't ever seem to win the ones that really matter. Blowing the game against an average Maryland team last season with a bowl berth on the line was a prime example.
I'm sure the Heel's can do worse than Bunting but it's hard to get too excited about the future. He may recruit decent classes but most of the high ranked recruits seem to screw up off the field and get booted or they play full back one year, defensive end the next.
Hell Dailey will probably be a defensive back next season.
Blowing the game against an average Maryland team last season with a bowl berth on the line was a prime example.
I was at that game. http://www.thisboardrocks.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif Your points are all well taken, I suppose I've just actually lost faith that Carolina can be legitimately competitive in the ACC. I don't see it and I don't buy it. State spent all kinds of money and got some of the best recruits N.C. schools have had since Mack Brown, and yet they couldn't do shit once Rivers left. I suppose I'd just rather deal with mediocrity than turn over a coach every couple of years and risk becoming Duke.
vpkozel
09-22-06, 09:20 AM
I was at that game. http://www.thisboardrocks.com/forum/images/icons/icon9.gif Your points are all well taken, I suppose I've just actually lost faith that Carolina can be legitimately competitive in the ACC. I don't see it and I don't buy it. State spent all kinds of money and got some of the best recruits N.C. schools have had since Mack Brown, and yet they couldn't do shit once Rivers left. I suppose I'd just rather deal with mediocrity than turn over a coach every couple of years and risk becoming Duke.
Dude, that's no way to go through life.
mailman
09-22-06, 07:30 PM
UNC was ranked in the mid-40's in total team defense last year so the talent is/was there. Let's not forget the 5 players John Bunting released from the program this year for getting busted for drugs three of them defensive players. Add in Khalif Mitchell being as sharp as a bag full of nickels and not making his grades and that's 4 defensive players (2 starters) not on the field this year.
All that being said I have defended John Bunting all the while but now it is time for him to walk. His last three recruiting classes have been great considering each seasons results and none of that shows up on the field. Even with the 6 players not here anymore and we should push Furman around. Yeah they should play with us probably through the 1st half but at some point talent and size should rule the day.
I believe John Bunting loves UNC as much as anyone but it ain't happening and as I read in this thread Baddour will probably fuck this up too.
my local HS team could beat this years UNC team and they're not very good.
Village Idiot
09-23-06, 12:09 PM
21-0 1st quarter
QC REPRESENT
09-23-06, 12:17 PM
cant make a first down, 3 and out ,cant block, penalized, fucking HORRIBLY coached football team
QC REPRESENT
09-23-06, 12:37 PM
35-0
HighPoint49er
09-23-06, 01:08 PM
Bunting may not last the season.
Haltime Stats
First Downs - UNC 3, Clemson 21
Rushing Yards - UNC 1, Clemson 198
Passing Yards - UNC 39, Clemson 89
Total Yards - UNC 40, Clemson 287
Com-Att-Int - UNC 4-14-0, Clemson 6-11-1
Times Sacked - UNC 2, Clemson 0
Punts - UNC 5/43.8, Clemson, 0/0.0
Penalties - UNC 6/34, Clemson 1/10
Fumbles - UNC 1/1, Clemson 0/0
Possession - UNC 11:49, Clemson 18:11
chuckrichey
09-23-06, 01:48 PM
49 -0 after 3,fire him in the time out between quarters!
Village Idiot
09-23-06, 01:49 PM
they have more points than we have total yards :bangshead:
49-0
bkfountain
09-23-06, 01:52 PM
LMAO this stat...
Clemson Rushing TDs - 7
UNC Rushing Yards - 6
goddamn thats sad...
Wonder Woman
09-23-06, 02:01 PM
LMAO this stat...
Clemson Rushing TDs - 7
UNC Rushing Yards - 6
goddamn thats sad...
Depends on who you ask. Looks pretty damn good from my seat :apfbbt:
HighPoint49er
09-23-06, 02:01 PM
A Spanking...
First Downs - UNC 9, Clemson 36
Rushing Yards - UNC 52, Clemson 327
Rushing Attempts – UNC 22, Clemson 58
Passing Yards - UNC 83, Clemson 179
Total Yards – UNC 106, Clemson 506
Com-Att-Int - UNC 7-23-1, Clemson 14-21-1
Times Sacked - UNC 2, Clemson 0
Punts - UNC 6/45.0, Clemson, 0/0.0
Penalties - UNC 10/64, Clemson 5/40
Fumbles - UNC 1/1, Clemson 0/0
Possession - UNC 21:29, Clemson 38:31
HighPoint49er
09-23-06, 02:03 PM
Avoided the skunk!
Hopefully Amato will lay an egg against BC so we won't have to hear about either of those guys after this year.
chipshot
09-23-06, 02:09 PM
Hopefully Amato will lay an egg against BC so we won't have to hear about either of those guys after this year.
at least Bunting is likable
Village Idiot
09-23-06, 02:50 PM
Total Yards – UNC 106, Clemson 506wow
Yeah, ok, he needs to go.
mathmajors
09-23-06, 03:15 PM
at least Bunting is likable
hardly
HighPoint49er
09-23-06, 03:21 PM
Soon going to meltdown status... The Tar Pit (http://mb23.scout.com/finsidecarolinafrm10).
Things I thought I'd never do during a Tar Heel Game (http://mb23.scout.com/finsidecarolinafrm10.showMessage?topicID=43321.top ic)
Rushing Yards - UNC 52, Clemson 327
Yeah, ok, he needs to go.
:laughingsmileythingy:
but he is such a good recruiter...
HighPoint49er
09-23-06, 03:41 PM
Then the recruiting services don't know shit, wossa! All these wonderful recruits ain't panning out (same holds true at NCSU as well).
;)
Bye Week 3
Tar Heels 2
chipshot
09-23-06, 06:35 PM
hardly
He's on wfnz fairly frequently, he seems to be a good guy. Amato, not so much.
Bunting is a good guy and I think he's a decent coach, but his defense has screwed him.
Oh, and say hello to Carolina's next head coach (http://www.mackbrown-texasfootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=32&url_subchannel_id=&url_article_id=601&change_well_id=2).
mathmajors
09-23-06, 06:45 PM
He's on wfnz fairly frequently, he seems to be a good guy. Amato, not so much.
He says all the right things, like his program is fine and dandy. Sound familiar?
Chizik would be a good hire. Run defense has been the Tarheels problem for what seems since Mack's years. No reason to give up that many yards rushing to Clemson. Chizik wouldn't let that happen.
He says all the right things, like his program is fine and dandy. Sound familiar?
Well, you have to stay positive. Or you quit. I'm sure he'd like to have another job.
I have never seen any comments complianing about a mid major accepting non-qualifiers as an excuse. That's embarrasing.
Chizik is going to get hired somewhere, and it would be interesting to see if Mack would put in a good word for Carolina.
chipshot
09-23-06, 08:31 PM
He says all the right things, like his program is fine and dandy. Sound familiar?
Amato can't even say the right things and comes off as a prick. A dumb prick at that.
Amato can't even say the right things and comes off as a prick. A dumb prick at that.
it's the high pitched voice, yea, that's what it is.
HighPoint49er
09-24-06, 07:53 AM
He needed a hug for sure!
Good photos of game though... Clemson 52, UNC 7 (http://www.newsobserver.com/1195/story/490381.html).
look at what rutgers and furman did to us (sorry, we need to schedule "easier" teams, my bad)
Don't look now, but Rutgers (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060924/ap_on_sp_co_ne/fbc_t25_college_fb_poll_2) is now ranked in the Top 25 and is 4-0. Of course, they haven't really played anyone yet.
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