View Full Version : ACC Strength of Schedule Rankings as of Tue. Dec.24
chisox17
12-29-02, 05:41 PM
Here are the strength of schedule ranks as of last tuesday for the ACC....
UNC 12
Wake 21
Virginia 35
Maryland 42
Ga Tech 101
Fla State 128
NC State 152
Duke 181
Clemson 280
I expect clemson and fsu to play easy teams, but why is it that state and duke cant pick on someone their own size?
SilverSurfer
12-29-02, 05:46 PM
Will you shutup about this after they whip UNC's ass a couple of times? :p
I'm not saying shit, until UNC beats Duke, then I'm going to become VERY annoying.
blueblood1
12-29-02, 07:55 PM
I don't have a problem with coaches loading up on Cupcakes, but to me it looks like K knew his team would be young so he didn't want them getting bad losses early. It's a smart move but a cowardly one too. Dook is "SUPPOSED" to be the premier college bball program in the country - they should act like it. Miami, FSU, Florida, and a few other major Football programs don't dodge people. Why is Coach K?
Originally posted by Bubba
I'm not saying shit, until UNC beats Duke, then I'm going to become VERY annoying.
Oh cmon Bubba - lets start talking shit right now.
The damn dookies don't deserve any slack.
If they can't take it then thats just too damn bad.
mathmajors
12-29-02, 08:36 PM
This is my only complaint about Herb Sendeck. He just won't go after tougher non-conference teams. Says the ACC is bad enough.:rolleyes:
slydevl
12-29-02, 10:01 PM
Could you UNC fans have less Bball IQ? I don't think so. You think K can look in a crystal ball and predict Ohio State, Michigan, and UCLA are going to suck this year? Just like Doh didn't look in the crystal ball and schedule Kansas and Stanford because he knew they were going to be weak. (Actually Doh didn't schedule those teams at all because they came in tourney play. Oh yeah, Duke couldn't play in a tournament this year by NCAA rules). I admit Duke's schedule is weak this year. Could it be predicted? Absolutely not. I really couldn't give a shit. New England won the Super Bowl last year playing one of the weakest NFL schedules there was. They cowards? Could be, but they are chicken shit Super Bowl champions.
carolina still has more wins than dook, all time that is
Last time I talked premature shit, Peppers and the Ward want to be quit, then half the team was injured. Next thing you know we got some redheaded step child bringing the ball down court and we finish with only 8 wins. I'm going to wait until the proof is in the pudding. Dook still sucks!
SandMan
12-31-02, 09:33 AM
Thats kinda what I thought... Duke's weak schedule. :rolleyes:
Well Duke fans can say what they will... The Tarheels have had the superior program for years... they produce winners and more NBA players with staying power than any ACC school.
Originally posted by SandMan
Well Duke fans can say what they will... The Tarheels have had the superior program for years... they produce winners and more NBA players with staying power than any ACC school.
:rolleyes:
QueenCityHillbilly
12-31-02, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by SandMan
and more NBA players with staying power than any ACC school.
This is college basketball. Who the fuck cares about the NBA when talking about college basketball?
SandMan
12-31-02, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by QueenCityHillbilly
This is college basketball. Who the fuck cares about the NBA when talking about college basketball?
College baskeball fuels what, 95% of all NBA players? Watch any, I repeat any nationally televised game of college basketball and almost always, you'll here them talking about one or more players potential in the NBA... so I guess a lot of folks relate to the NBA when talking college basketball.... :cool:
UncFever
12-31-02, 12:22 PM
You know what is so bad about this....if it was the other way around and we down played like the dook fans are this topic, they would give us all the shit they could. All you really need to do is take what they say for what it's worth. It's an opinion that is wrong and one sided like always.
Glad I never do that!!!!! :D :cool: ;) :) :p :p
QueenCityHillbilly
12-31-02, 12:38 PM
I'm not saying that North Carolina hasn't ruled the NBA as far as good, strong players go. However, I am saying that the NBA is irrelevant when there is 1.2 seconds left to go in an ACC game with the game on the line.
whatever qch. Bobby jones was the nba's 6th man of the year at least once. That TOTALLY helps out at the end of a college game.
QueenCityHillbilly
12-31-02, 12:46 PM
You're right. Danny Ferry made a 3 pointer for the Cavs once. That made a huge difference in college.
don't forget about the tatoos that cherokee parks got after college. Man, that sure made him classless when he played for duke.
Originally posted by QueenCityHillbilly
I'm not saying that North Carolina hasn't ruled the NBA as far as good, strong players go. However, I am saying that the NBA is irrelevant when there is 1.2 seconds left to go in an ACC game with the game on the line.
and jason williams ability to hit a free throw in such a situation was irrelevant too - since he couldn't :D
slydevl
12-31-02, 01:42 PM
Originally posted by Wossa
and jason williams ability to hit a free throw in such a situation was irrelevant too - since he couldn't :D
Yeah its a shame the Tarheels weren't good enough to get to a point where putting him on the free throw line would matter. :D
I seem to recall that the last time a dook UNC game was on the line at the end some big doofus named Haywood nailed his free throws to win the game.
;) :cool:
slydevl
12-31-02, 01:54 PM
Originally posted by Wossa
I seem to recall that the last time a dook UNC game was on the line at the end some big doofus named Haywood nailed his free throws to win the game.
;) :cool:
You bragging about the fact that last years games weren't even close?
Originally posted by slydevl
You bragging about the fact that last years games weren't even close?
uhhhhhh...............
no
SandMan
12-31-02, 03:59 PM
Originally posted by WYDD
cherokee parks
He gets my vote for "ACC Baskeball Dork Looking Doofus Ever" Award. :D
blueblood1
12-31-02, 05:52 PM
Sly, the ACC tourney game was close...Close enough to make the DEVIL's sweat. You remember the game? The one where MIKE K got outcoached by MATT D. UNC controlled tempo in that game but couldn't make shots at the end. DOOK had the better players and pulled it out.
slydevl
12-31-02, 05:58 PM
I have yet to see MATT D outcoach ANYONE....much less Coach K.
playing NOT to get blown out is not outcoaching. If the players are gonna hold the ball for 32 seconds and shoot, and they don't make it, how's that outcoaching? Outcoached?? Damn blue, whatever your smoking it must be good. If carolina was making shots in that game, i could see coach k pressuring the ball. The fact that he knew they couldn't shoot worth a crap makes me think he knew what he was doing.
The Brain
12-31-02, 08:11 PM
Originally posted by WYDD
playing NOT to get blown out is not outcoaching. If the players are gonna hold the ball for 32 seconds and shoot, and they don't make it, how's that outcoaching? Outcoached?? Damn blue, whatever your smoking it must be good. If carolina was making shots in that game, i could see coach k pressuring the ball. The fact that he knew they couldn't shoot worth a crap makes me think he knew what he was doing. actually its smart coaching... sorta a rope-a-dope tactic... basically UNC was playing smart ball to keep it close till the end... with a chance to pull it out at the end... similar to Panther football this year... control the clock and time of possession... keep the game close... once its near the end attempt a run...UNC was just playing against a better and deeper Duke team... this year if UNC can control the paint there's a GOOD chance they can beat Duke... that'll be the key... hell that'll be the ke to ALL their games this year... and without May that'll be hard.
blueblood1
01-01-03, 07:34 PM
WYDD, and SLY, Did Doherty outcoach K his first year in CH when he beat the DOOKIES on their floor? I think he did. You guys bashing on DOHERTY's coaching ability kill me. I think the joke will be on you guys in a few years, though. Holding the ball in that game was very smart. Doherty knew that he couldn't win a track meet with dook so he didn't try. His team controlled tempo in that game much to the disgust of K. K even eluded to the fact that he was unpleased that his team fell into that, in the postgame.
blueblood1
01-01-03, 07:37 PM
Sly, does that mean everytime Doherty wins that his coaching had nothing to do with it? I know you guys blame losses on his coaching. It can't be both ways. Also, if DOherty manages 20 wins this season and a tourney bid with May being sidelined, would that be considered a good coaching job or not? If Doherty wins 17 and makes the tournament would that be a good coaching job? If he does win 20 I think he deserves COY. Can that honor be disputed?
i never said that what doh did in the acc tourney against duke wasn't the smartest move for doh, but it wasn't outcoaching. Of course, this is coming from the same people that thought 4 corners was the smartest thing ever and not the possible undoing of basketball. Playing keep-away is not outcoaching. But, if you've got the ball handlers to do it, then it'll work. Doh had a good idea, but carolina didn't hit their shots and it was pretty apparent that when they were down by double digits early, that the game wasn't gonna be won with that strategy. There was no sense of urgency in that game at the end, so, like i said, doh was playing not to get blown out.
I don't think doh is a terrible coach, but i don't think he's done anything to warrant being called anything other than mediocre yet. He can give that coach of the year award to joe forte, because that's the ONLY reason he got it. I love how you guys didn't complain that forte was one of gut's kids. I'm just glad that you guys have a nice excuse for the seaon, much like you always do. At least this year it's legit compared to most of the excuses we get the pleasure of hearing.
PanthersReturn
01-02-03, 09:11 AM
:D at Sly...
I continue to be amazed at Heel fans...the record shows UNC at 8-3, out of the top 20. Duke is ranked #1, 7-0. BUT, that's only because Duke plays bad teams...
Carolina lost soundly to Illinois (good team, no question), Kentucky (solid) and...that basketball powerhouse...Iona. BUT, only because they didn't have Michael Jordan, James Worthy & Sam Perkins...er, something like that.
I could never be a Carolina fan.
I'm not good enough at creating excuses...
:p
Don't forget Sleepy Floyd. Whoops, not again.
UncFever
01-02-03, 11:56 AM
Now....now PR, the only reason you don't have to worry about creating excuses this year is because coach rat face already did that for you with his luck in scheduling this year. Now I know he didn't know these teams were going to be so bad or maybe he did.
Either way the tougher schedule that UNC has played thus far will help them far more than dook will. Come ACC tourney time and NCAA time when dook still hasn't really played any of the top tier teams, UNC included and they get waxed and sent home packing, then they will be just like UNC was Dohs first year.
Congrats to all the dookies, the cycle is that dook is turning into what UNC was 2 years ago. :D
Oh I just love this time of year. The almighty dookies come out in groves now that dook has won some games or either the ones that were here start talking more because of it.
nah, we've just been having to weed through all the "carolina is winning at the 15 minute mark in the first half." Followed by the "carolina is at the free throw line" threads. Not to be outdone by the "carolina wins threads (at least 6 per win)."
The best days to catch us duke fans posting is the days after carolina loses because it seems that you guys somehow lose internet connections for those few days after the loss.
slydevl
01-02-03, 12:01 PM
A grove is a group of trees. i think you meant droves.
PanthersReturn
01-02-03, 12:14 PM
Special thanks to my boy Sly for correcting Fever...
:D
Fever, if K can lead Duke to a Sweet 16 with this group, he deserves coach of the year. Look at the "experience" on the team - Horvath, Casey Sanders...
Dahntay Jones scares the tar out of me, as does Dockery, every time they touch the ball. Daniel Ewing is thinking too much when shooting, and Shav seems to have my hands.
I'm amazed Duke is #1 currently. But they've done everything necessary to be there - win the games. No excuses, just win. What's your definition of "top teams"? Bama? They lost to Utah. Who else? I think playing the ACC season will be a good barometer of how well the Devils will do in the tournament. It doesn't take a Chapel Hill grad to determine Duke's weaknesses, or to extrapolate those into tourney time.
I'm enjoying watching this YOUNG team come together, and beating the baby lambs will be even more fun this year than last.:D
Oh well, back to the grindstone (which is in the groves)...
:p
slydevl
01-02-03, 01:42 PM
The best thing for Duke right now would be to get beat. And I mean stomped. They need to learn what losing feels like.....might give them a hunger they haven't shown me yet.
Clemson scares me. It could happen there. Won't bother me if it does.
PanthersReturn
01-02-03, 01:58 PM
Right on the money, Sly.
I can handle anyone in the ACC beating Duke - with the exception of Carolina. If that happens, well, it just won't be pretty.
The Devils don't have the "killer instinct" yet either - another frustration for me. They looked "concerned" - not scared or frightened.
But when we lose, per all the lite blue fans, it will be to someone they would have beaten. 'Cause we play crappy competition!
:rolleyes:
Originally posted by slydevl
Clemson scares me. It could happen there. Won't bother me if it does.
methinks you are very prophetic sly. This could every easily happen.
the ACC is going to be upset city this season. Pobably going to be a bunch of 9-7 teams by year end.
UncFever
01-02-03, 05:21 PM
Thanks for trying sly, but I actually did mean groves, although temporary when dook is winning. They all come out and stand together like they have been there forever. It was amazing how few dook fans there were after the players lost from last year, so many were worried about the young dook team. Now that dook hasn't lost yet and is #1 you hear all the dookies coming out again. I work in a building with about 500 people and not one dook fan before the season. Now you see them all over the place since Christmas.
Granted I have seen more UNC fans this year as well, but I figure about 95% of who post here and out on the street in real life pull for whoever wins.
This one guy that works in my department was a Rams fan from way back, but now this year he pulls for the Falcons for some reason. Rams are getting worse and the Falcons are on the rise......nah....that couldn't be it!
blueblood1
01-02-03, 05:49 PM
I'm here when my boys when or lose. But, I do feel like this season in the ACC is gonna be a war for everybody. My Heels aren't going to fare as well with May's absence. With May they are top 3 in the ACC, without him it could be middle of the pack. BTW, losing 3 of your top 6 players can definitely cause major problems in a one game setting like the IONA game. That aint an excuse, that's a fact.
UncFever
01-02-03, 07:09 PM
Now Blue you know it's only fact if a dookie says it...
:D
hey, i said you guys had a legit excuse. Now, whether or not carolina is top 3 with may is a different story. Right now, the acc has 3 undefeated teams. I think wake is legit. Clempsun might be as well. Plus, you've got state, maryland and UVA. Since uva isn't ranked 4th in the nation, they'll be alright this year.
For the first time in a while teams don't have an automatic 4 losses in the acc be it duke and maryland, or duke and carolina. I'm really looking forward to conference play. And it wouldn't surprise me at all to see clempsun pull out a win on sunday.
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