Speculation on plane crash *******

[Puttingood]

I speculate there was a fight in the cockpit. Some one tried to take the plane.

[chipshot]

I'd put my money on an O-Ring. Its always some kind of O-Ring.

[flyfisher]

I think someone spill their coffee in their lap.

NPR is reporting on the crash right now.

[Hootendooter]

Early reports and witnesses say there was smoke coming from the plane before the crash.

It is believed the plane lost an engine on takeoff and the pilot overcompensated for the engine failure, causing the plane to roll and land on it's back.

[Puttingood]

Thats what the real speculators are saying also. An engine--How does an engine just fall off ?:(

[BearBryant]

Originally posted by Hootendooter
Early reports and witnesses say there was smoke coming from the plane before the crash.

It is believed the plane lost an engine on takeoff and the pilot overcompensated for the engine failure, causing the plane to roll and land on it's back.

agreed

[builder]

Originally posted by Puttingood
Thats what the real speculators are saying also. An engine--How does an engine just fall off ?:(

Stress.

[chipshot]

Originally posted by builder


Stress.

stress caused by a bad o-ring

[Hootendooter]

Originally posted by Puttingood
Thats what the real speculators are saying also. An engine--How does an engine just fall off ?:(


er........ I should have said lost power to the engine.

[meatpile]

Originally posted by Hootendooter



er........ I should have said lost power to the engine.

O-ring. Either that, or demons.

[builder]

Originally posted by chipshot
stress caused by a bad o-ring

The stress was in the O-ring.

[Hootendooter]

Originally posted by meatpile


O-ring. Either that, or demons.

Maybe a bird with a really bad southern accent hit the engine.

[chipshot]

all this talk of o-rings makes me want to go to Burger King

[Braves]

I saw a 60 Minute report on airplane maintenance. It was very scary!!

When airlines are struggling financially, maintenance personnel is the first line of cutbacks. Geez..are they struggling?

[Puttingood]

I meant "How does a engine just fall off !!

Lax maintenance--no inspections--sabotage ?

You would think that the FAA would protect the public from airlines that fail to inspect their planes and keep them safe. Has to be a reason for an engine to fall off besides the stress that thousands are put through each day on take-off.

[Hootendooter]

Originally posted by Braves
I saw a 60 Minute report on airplane maintenance. It was very scary!!

When airlines are struggling financially, maintenance personnel is the first line of cutbacks. Geez..are they struggling?

Unfortunately, most airlines are struggling. This plane was owned by Air Midwest, but was leased by US Air Express. Air Midwest actually did all the maintenance on this particular aircraft.

[builder]

Originally posted by Puttingood
You would think that the FAA would protect the public from airlines that fail to inspect their planes and keep them safe.

:roflmao: A gov't agency to protect us???? You're joking, right?

[vpkozel]

Yes - US Airways was the hardest hit airline after 9/11. A lot of their revenue comes from the eastern corridor, which is where flights dropped off the most. Also, National in Washington is one of their big destinations and that was closed for an extra couple of months. They are currently in bankruptcy but have a plan to get out. They have laid off some people, but I don't think that it is an inordinate amount because they have also scaled back their flights. They are primarily using the bankrupcy to lower their personel costs which are some of the highest in the industry.

Engines fall off for a lot of reasons. There is an awful lot of stress put on those things when taking off and landing and if one piece fails it starts a chain reaction.

[kshead]

Caught a news report over the weekend about a maintenance man for one of the regional airlines out west (I think! Might be a national airline.) being charged with a crime for purposely sabotaging an engine before takeoff. The plane had to remain in the "garage" for repairs and all the people had to catch another flight.

The maintenance guy had repeatedly warned his supervisor(s) that the plane was unfit for flight (can't remember the reason why, sorry), but the higher ups blew him off. So he trashed the engine to keep the plane on the ground.

Can't remember any more details, but what do you think of this?

P.S. I just saw the post on the 60 Minutes report. That might be where I heard the story.

[Hootendooter]

Originally posted by vpkozel
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Engines fall off for a lot of reasons. There is an awful lot of stress put on those things when taking off and landing and if one piece fails it starts a chain reaction. [/B]


The take off is the most crucial stress the plane goes through.

[kshead]

Originally posted by vpkozel
They are primarily using the bankrupcy to lower their personel costs which are some of the highest in the industry.


This is an easy way to end run union negotiations too. All labor contracts go out the window if the airline declares bankruptcy.

[Braves]

Does anybody work for an airline?

[kshead]

Originally posted by Braves
Does anybody work for an airline?

Not me. I want to work for someone that doesn't eventually have to declare bankruptcy. :)

[Rumpeltiltspin]

Originally posted by Braves
Does anybody work for an airline?

I own an airplane, an 'experimental' aircraft.
I built it myself.
I'm scare to death to fly commercially, on anything.

Does that count?

edit: I just about went bankrupt building the darn thing.

[BearBryant]

Originally posted by Rumpeltiltspin


I own an airplane, an 'experimental' aircraft.
I built it myself.
I'm scare to death to fly commercially, on anything.

Does that count?

edit: I just about went bankrupt building the darn thing.

you're skeered to fly commercial but you will fly in something you built? Wish I could trust myself that much.

[Rumpeltiltspin]

Originally posted by BearBryant


you're skeered to fly commercial but you will fly in something you built? Wish I could trust myself that much.

Yeah, well I darn sure know how well it's put together, and thoroughly inspect it before every flight. And I'm straight when I do it.

So if I die in the summbitch, I can't blame anybody but myself.
I built a coupla others in the past, too, and they're still being flown around-trouble free.

And if my engine falls off due to a bad o-ring, I can glide for a mile @ 1000' AGL.

I'm not skeered at all, taking off and landing in my back yard, but my knees turn to jelly, and my tummy gets a knot when I get on a jet!

[BearBryant]

by the way, who are you, rumple?

[Rumpeltiltspin]

Originally posted by BearBryant
by the way, who are you, rumple?

That's Rumpel.

It's the new me. Ya'll will figure it out.
My old name had the aviation interests in my profile.
I haven't registered my old name.
Someone else can have it and be put on ignore.
I need a fresh start.

[Boo]

have they been able to keep purchasing airplane parts? I'd imagine suppliers might not be to keen on supplying an airline with parts knowing they may not get paid for them.

was the valuejet crash in FL maintenace or parts or both?

[Old Rusty]

Originally posted by Rumpeltiltspin


That's Rumpel.

It's the new me. Ya'll will figure it out.
My old name had the aviation interests in my profile.
I haven't registered my old name.
Someone else can have it and be put on ignore.
I need a fresh start.

Stephanie? Is it really you?

[builder]

Originally posted by Boo

was the valuejet crash in FL maintenace or parts or both?

I thought that was an improperly stored oxygen canister? :confused:

[flyfisher]

Originally posted by builder


I thought that was an improperly stored oxygen canister? :confused:

correct.

[Boo]

Originally posted by builder


I thought that was an improperly stored oxygen canister? :confused:

would maintenance workers be the ones who put the container where it went? I'm pretty sure pilots and flight attendants wouldn't be doing that.

when everyone first heard the news a valuejet went down...was anybody really surprised? It was the same thing when Michael Jackson molested that kid....you just weren't surprised.

[Boo]

from foxnews:

"A maintenance alert for the Beech 1900 was issued in August saying that attachment bolts for the vertical stabilizer were found loose on one plane during a scheduled inspection."

[builder]

Originally posted by Boo


would maintenance workers be the ones who put the container where it went?

I think it was in someone's luggage or checked as baggage without authorization.

[Farmer]

I lost a friend in the Valu-Jet crash.

It really made me stop and think about flying. I had done SO MUCH flying because of being in the military, that I didn't really worry about it too awfully much - but after that happened and I learned that the VJ plane was 8 minutes into the air - I paid attention the next time I flew. I wanted to see how high up I was after eight minutes flight time - VERY HIGH.... They say the plane just fell out of the sky and into the swamps.... Imagine that feeling of falling....

:(

[Boo]

if you think about the number of flights per day in the US is roughly 40K...it is amazing more don't crash.

which one was it that had electrical wires blow up the fuel tank?

[kshead]

Originally posted by Boo
if you think about the number of flights per day in the US is roughly 40K...it is amazing more don't crash.

which one was it that had electrical wires blow up the fuel tank?

TWA Flight 800 out of NY.

Edit: Not sure about the number, but it was TWA out of NY.

[LLG]

Originally posted by kshead


TWA Flight 800 out of NY.

Edit: Not sure about the number, but it was TWA out of NY.


I knew 2 people on that flight.

What a tragedy. :(

[meatpile]

rumple=micocol.

[SilverSurfer]

Originally posted by Farmer
I lost a friend in the Valu-Jet crash.


:(

I flew on that airline, out of Miami, the week before that crash. Last time I flew. I still can't believe I got talked into flying Valujet.

I'm supposed to be flying to San Francisco in October, somehow I got talked into it. I plan on having a prescription for Xanax before I go.

[kshead]

We are planning to honeymoon somewhere on an East Coach beach because we don't want to fly. Feel free to call me a wuss, but it's just too much hassle as far as we are concerned.

[Farmer]

I read in the Economist the following year that for the year prior, there was, on average, an aviation crash of some sort every 9 days... or something like that. I just remember there were lots of crashes that year.

[Boo]

when I was a real little kids I saw one of those things that you never forget...that guy jumping into the freezing Potomac River and pulling people out that had just been in a crash...

[kshead]

Originally posted by Boo
when I was a real little kids I saw one of those things that you never forget...that guy jumping into the freezing Potomac River and pulling people out that had just been in a crash...

I cross under the flight path to National on a neighboring bridge every morning/evening on the Metro. Some of those planes come pretty close.

[LarryD]

kakia used to work for ValuJet. I think she was n the runway when one of her planes caught fire. She said they were cheap pieces of crap.

[Rumpeltiltspin]

Originally posted by meatpile
rumple=micocol.

Coach Micool.
You are correct meat. What gave me away already, I haven't ranted yet?

I guess I don't get your first born now.

[meatpile]

It was your AOL IM handle in the profile.

[barracuda]

Originally posted by Rumpeltiltspin


I own an airplane, an 'experimental' aircraft.
I built it myself.
I'm scare to death to fly commercially, on anything.

Does that count?

edit: I just about went bankrupt building the darn thing.

Let me guess, you're the ghost of John Denver?

[Rumpeltiltspin]

Originally posted by meatpile
It was your AOL IM handle in the profile.

Damn, I didn't think about that.
Can I still have a fresh start?

[builder]

Originally posted by Rumpeltiltspin
Coach Micool.

Fuck.

[Rumpeltiltspin]

Originally posted by builder


Fuck.

WTF?

[D'lo]

Originally posted by barracuda


Let me guess, you're the ghost of John Denver?

That's kinda funny! :sagrin:

[Rumpeltiltspin]

One thing I do know about airplanes for sure:

Got to have fuel in them to keep them airborne.
Unless it's a glider.

It's on the top of the preflight list to check.

[SandMan]

I believe it was the engine loss. A memo was sent out a while back about certain bolts that were discovered loose on that model plane during an inspection..

But if you want to speculate about terroism... this guy Ramesh Shah Ganesh was there to pick up (unknown name) Clemson Grad student... if he had similiar name, maybe he took the cockpit....