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lj4three
01-12-03, 05:04 PM
I find this article rather interesting.
Price of the Liberal Media Myth (http://www.consortiumnews.com/2002/123102a.html)
WilliamJ
01-12-03, 05:09 PM
Another example of the Liberal Media skewing facts to prove their point and thus make you feel sorry for the unfair treatment they have recieved.
Look at the Heavies in the media...Every last one save Fox is Liberal. This article is bullshit.
lj4three
01-12-03, 05:13 PM
Originally posted by WilliamJ
Another example of the Liberal Media skewing facts to prove their point and thus make you feel sorry for the unfair treatment they have recieved.
Look at the Heavies in the media...Every last one save Fox is Liberal. This article is bullshit.
facts are facts william j. keep on thumping your chest and spouting out loud- history will display facts, not heresay.
WilliamJ
01-12-03, 05:17 PM
lj, I have watched double the news you have, this article is pure BS.
lj4three
01-12-03, 05:19 PM
Originally posted by WilliamJ
lj, I have watched double the news you have, this article is pure BS.
well, my experiences with the media tend to fall within the line of this author's position.
Yes, Fox News giving us Geraldo "walking on hallowed ground" Liberal my fucking ass. They can't get any farther up Bush's ass. I think the family is part owners.
the news media is giving Dub a free ride compared to what they gave Willie.
Lj - You will never get some people on this board to even consider some things you have to say because of where you are on the political spectrum. The quicker you realize that, the easier it makes things. :)
Try this article here.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A16431-2002Dec5¬Found=true
Pay particular attention to EJ's point about the existence of more forms of media than just the heavies. Feel free to also notice how this shows up here at TBR a lot. It used to be daily when we REALLY got into politcal arguments a lot.
If you want some fun critiques on this subject (media bias) that also come from the left with bite, go here.
http://dailyhowler.com/
Bob is a riot.
WilliamJ
01-12-03, 05:33 PM
Originally posted by kshead
Lj - You will never get some people on this board to even consider some things you have to say because of where you are on the political spectrum. The quicker you realize that, the easier it makes things. :)
Try this article here.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A16431-2002Dec5¬Found=true
Pay particular attention to EJ's point about the existence of more forms of media than just the heavies. Feel free to also notice how this shows up here at TBR a lot. It used to be daily when we REALLY got into politcal arguments a lot.
If you want some fun critiques on this subject (media bias) that also come from the left with bite, go here.
http://dailyhowler.com/
Bob is a riot. The media Heavies are all that matter in this debate. I have said all along Fox was conservative. Oh and lj, make that 10 fold not double. And you lefties on here know what I'm talking about denial is not a river in Egypt.
Originally posted by WilliamJ
The media Heavies are all that matter in this debate.
Only to you. And just because I'm not as blind as a bat doesn't make me a lefty. It makes me to the left of you. That's not all that hard really. I'm not a conservative.
If denial just ain't river in Egypt, you'd be drowned already. You can't even make an argument. You just rant about liberals because what was it?
Oh yeah, "you've seen more news than LJ".
:rofl:
All I did was offer some sites for LJ to read. Quit assuming shit. Especially when you don't understand it and appear to want to make up whatever rules you want. Of course all media matters.
lj4three
01-12-03, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by WilliamJ
The media Heavies are all that matter in this debate. I have said all along Fox was conservative. Oh and lj, make that 10 fold not double. And you lefties on here know what I'm talking about denial is not a river in Egypt.
lets analyze the news shows that are on cable tv nightly:
7p:
Cnn- crossfire (a repub and dem)
MSNBC- some iraq show (neutral)
FOXNEWS- news show
8p:
Cnn- connie chung (borders on tabloid)
MSNBC- donahue- liberal host but brings many repubs on their, but i'll say it favors dems
FOXNEWS- o'reilly factor (repub)
9p:
Cnn- larry king (borders on tabloid)
MSNBC- chris matthews (grilles both repubs and dems)
FOXNEWS- hannity and colmes (colmes is a token dem who basically is there to make hannity look good- repub show)
News Hour w/ lehrer: balanced.
i dont see the liberal bias in the media- it seems that the media is somewhat afraid to even agree with so-called "liberals" due to the venom and spite that is delivered from the right.
Originally posted by lj4three
it seems that the media is somewhat afraid to even agree with so-called "liberals" due to the venom and spite that is delivered from the right.
That was one of EJ's points. But I disagree with you that there is NO bias. I just don't think it's nearly as bad as some people suggest it is.
LJ if you want to see an example of republican heavies on this board, watch when a thread starts not going the republican way. A heavy (I won't mention names) will come along and make several meaningless threads to "bury" the offending thread.
It's the Republican way :D
WilliamJ
01-12-03, 05:51 PM
Originally posted by reb
LJ if you want to see an example of republican heavies on this board, watch when a thread starts not going the republican way. A heavy (I won't mention names) will come along and make several meaningless threads to "bury" the offending thread.
It's the Republican way :D there you go...throwing insults instead of arguement....
WilliamJ
01-12-03, 05:53 PM
Originally posted by kshead
That was one of EJ's points. But I disagree with you that there is NO bias. I just don't think it's nearly as bad as some people suggest it is. i will admit that it isn't nearly as bad as it used to be but lj left abc, cbs, and nbc off his list of shows. Brokaw, Jennings and Rather are in more homes than all the other shows combined. These three guys ought to write propiganda for communism. And goddammit I don't have an example to cite...Shit.
lj4three
01-12-03, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by kshead
That was one of EJ's points. But I disagree with you that there is NO bias. I just don't think it's nearly as bad as some people suggest it is.
i agree with you. there are times that things arent reported fairly
ie- john rocker is called a racist but reggie white is just speaking his mind. OR- downey jr has personal issues but iverson is a "thug." inconsistencies are there favoring both the so-called "left" and "right." however, to say the liberal media is a conspiracy against the right is downright laughable in my opinion. i've grown up in the 80's and 90's and have been pretty interested in watching the news and reading newspapers- and from watching the clinton presidency to the bush presidency, there is no comparison at the amount of scrutiny that faced clinton with the free-pass on george bush.
WilliamJ
01-12-03, 05:58 PM
you forget that Clinton was riddled with scandals. Bush has been pretty clean thus far. That is why you think this. Remember the syntax in which the Clinton stuff was reported? They acted as if it were just another attempt to besmirch Clinton and not fact. Look at how the media handled Enron. They portrayed Bush as guilty w/out putting up all the facts. That is the bias in which I speak.
It's not an insult or an argument William, just the truth. The non republican way posts against the timing of the meaningless threads are proof in themselves. It's happened already just since this forum has been back up.
Yes, lets look at how the media handled Enron and all the other ripoffs. You don't hear a word about them since before Thanksgiving. If it were Willie a day wouldn't go by. And especially not on this board. Ken didn't get a blowjob so it's no big deal and it's big biz making lots of money off of the taxpayer. Bush really clamped down with his oversite panel. Three out of the five had to resign because they were linked to people being investigated for fraud.
Where do you think the term "fox guarding the henhouse" came from... the Nixxon tapes :D
lj4three
01-12-03, 06:09 PM
Originally posted by WilliamJ
you forget that Clinton was riddled with scandals. Bush has been pretty clean thus far. That is why you think this. Remember the syntax in which the Clinton stuff was reported? They acted as if it were just another attempt to besmirch Clinton and not fact. Look at how the media handled Enron. They portrayed Bush as guilty w/out putting up all the facts. That is the bias in which I speak.
umm- i disagree. whitewater ammounted to nothing. clinton's dick in a chicks mouth was a mistake that he made, but the relentless ferocious bashing of the man went way overboard.. anyway, thats in the past.
about bush- to tell me that bush was portrayed as guilty in connection with enron is a joke! there was no media prowess or pulse to pursue the potential connections that have thus been revealed by not-so-mainstream sources. the connections of the bush's with the oil companies and corporations in this country have not been pursued, neither was the haleburton issue, nor bush's possible insider trading. whatabout bush's dui back in the 70's?? i certainly dont give a shit about it, but if it were clinton, we wouldnt here the end of it. "dittos" concerning bush's possible drug history- we will never know (i dont really have a desire to know)- BUT, if it were clinton or a dem, we would not here the end of it.
Larry needs to change the name of this forum to the "Hot Air Forum"
blah blah blah blah blah blah
WilliamJ
01-12-03, 06:36 PM
lj, you really are nieve....
CLINTON WAS IMPEACHED!
All I heard about Enron was how dirty the whitehouse was. Turns out to be much ado about nothing and Bush let Enron fall.
Whitewater...I forget how many were indicted and how many convicted and how many mysteriously died...All which deflecting any guilt of Clinton's.
Anyhow we are digressing from the point about Liberal bias in the media. Why you want to deny it is beyond me. It is like Simon/Peter denouncing Christ and Judas turning on him. When will you Libs admit being a Lib and all the things that go with it?
WilliamJ
01-12-03, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by wossa
Larry needs to change the name of this forum to the "Hot Air Forum"
blah blah blah blah blah blah How about contributing instead of pissing and moaning...if you don't like the debate don't fucking read...put up or shut up.
lj4three
01-12-03, 06:55 PM
Originally posted by WilliamJ
lj, you really are nieve....
CLINTON WAS IMPEACHED!
All I heard about Enron was how dirty the whitehouse was. Turns out to be much ado about nothing and Bush let Enron fall.
Whitewater...I forget how many were indicted and how many convicted and how many mysteriously died...All which deflecting any guilt of Clinton's.
Anyhow we are digressing from the point about Liberal bias in the media. Why you want to deny it is beyond me. It is like Simon/Peter denouncing Christ and Judas turning on him. When will you Libs admit being a Lib and all the things that go with it?
i can play the same card with bush's business dealings too, williamj. but the media has not played that same card with bush- its damn pathetic. there is no room for logical debate in this country anymore about bush's policy's on the economy or foreign affairs, you're deemed a "left-wing wacko" or "un-american" or a "traitor." there's a sense of self-righteousness that permeates this administration and has trickled down into the media- no one has the guts to report a damn thing. i would love to really hear some debate about the environment, alternative fuel sources, foreign policy and the economy without being deemed a "snivelling liberal" or a "bush-hater." i guess i'll just stick my american flag decal on my windshield and all will be right in the world...
WilliamJ
01-12-03, 06:56 PM
Originally posted by wossa
how about I not then keep it to yourself or start a thread about all this hot air.
WilliamJ
01-12-03, 07:02 PM
lj, I don't know what you watch or listen to, but most of what I read, see and hear is a huge critique of Dubya and his administration. You Libs (though none of you admit being one) are trying to play this I have been shut out card, when the reality is you have been voted out, not shut out and I don't see CNN, ABC, NBC, CNBC, CBS and the major print media being in Bush's camp like they were in Clinton's camp. Again I state that the media was pissing themselves trying to defend the indefensible where bubba was concerned.
Agent Smith
01-12-03, 07:27 PM
Most conservatives agree that the Fox channel has a conservative bias.
Is there a non-conservative (trying to be politically correct) that thinks there is a non-conservative spin to a major media outlet like ABC, CBS, NBC or the Boston Globe?
I accept a conservative bias because I happen to agree with a majority of this philosophy.
I believe that all news is biased in one way or another.
Agent Smith
01-12-03, 07:31 PM
Please notice when I used the word spin instead of bias in the above post post. :)
I would rather be called a liberal than what is going for a repubican these days. America is a great country to be able to survive the republican big business rape that is going on in this country.
WilliamJ
01-12-03, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by Agent Smith
Please notice when I used the word spin instead of bias in the above post post. :) Spin is an acurate word.
WilliamJ
01-12-03, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by reb
I would rather be called a liberal than what is going for a repubican these days. America is a great country to be able to survive the republican big business rape that is going on in this country. That's right...the Big buisness rape.
Originally posted by Agent Smith
Most conservatives agree that the Fox channel has a conservative bias.
Is there a non-conservative (trying to be politically correct) that thinks there is a non-conservative spin to a major media outlet like ABC, CBS, NBC or the Boston Globe?
I accept a conservative bias because I happen to agree with a majority of this philosophy.
I believe that all news is biased in one way or another.
I'll step in here again. I'm truly amazed that in the time it took me to drive home from work 20 posts have been added to the liberal conspiracy library. I've said all along I'm a moderate. It doesn't make me a hippy liberal even if some people can't grasp that. It just tends to make me "not a sheep". I like it that way. Most of the people who came over from the old board know this. Others just assume what they want and - no matter how wrong it may be - I can't really change it.
Agent Smith - I'll agree that the major networks lean left. Absolutely. I never said that they didn't. I just think there are all kinds of "media" out there now. I also don't think the networks lean as left as certain elements of conservative media outlets would want you to believe. I believe this because I think the right (the left does this too, by the way) does it to stir your emotions to make you believe otherwise (Think Sean, Rush, WorldNet, NewsMax, Boorz, etc. As liberal as the networks may be, the closest thing the left has to these outlets is probably Public Radio.). It's also an effective way to discredit the "other side" without really having to argue any real meat-and-potatoes issues. In a way, it's lazy. Nevertheless, I think that the right has also done a very effective job of going AROUND the network outlets to deliver their message much more effectively than they could be otherwise by sitting around and crying about liberal bias (think tanks, talk radio, the Internet, see the article I cited from EJ above). I'm not much on crying. Especially from conservatives who whine that they can't get a fair shake because the "media" is too darn liberal. That's just blaming people. It's crap. There are plenty of outlets now for conservative thought. I read and/or listen to them all the time. If you can't find them and continue to sit around listening only to the network news so you can whine about liberals you are either lazy, a moron, or just hate liberals. I don't think that about you Agent Smith, but I do wonder about others sometimes when they cannot defend a position without invoking a hatred or blaming of liberals for something (hell, everything). I'm none of those and can't change those of you that are. I also read and listen to the left too. I tend to think of it as formulating an informed opinion. Again, I'm a big boy and I can read from both sides and make up my own mind. I wonder about a lot of other people though. On both sides of the political aisle.
Also, Agent Smith - just like you said about your own personal bias and conservatism, I'm a moderate so I can easily take (or ignore) elements of the rhetoric from both sides and form my own positions. By recognizing the source of my material I can use my own internal filters to try and determine exactly who I am getting my information from.
Anyway, I just went through this with the Fayettevile conservatives yesterday (feel free to head over and read the full rant) and I'm kind of tired of trying to explain this to people who can't grasp it (maybe they did and maybe some of y'all can - I really don't know at times though), but I'll take a flyer with you here Agent Smith and bet you'll understand it. :)
Originally posted by Agent Smith
Is there a non-conservative (trying to be politically correct) that thinks there is a non-conservative spin to a major media outlet like ABC, CBS, NBC or the Boston Globe?
I believe that all news is biased in one way or another.
okay William J - I'll bite.
EDIT - sorry Agent Smith/William J - I thought that was a WJ post I was replying too. ;)
I would consider myself a moderate with liberal leanings - I watch the news occasionally and it usually just depends what channel it happens to be on - sometimes ABC, sometimes CNN, CBS whatever.
I usually just note that they report on the events of the day. The economy, the stock market, Iraq or North Korea. From my perspective they just talk about what transpired and thats it. I don't ever notice any editorials at the end where they denounce the administration or its policies.
But thats what guys like you ( conservatives) and Reb (liberal) always seem to hear. If they say that today all the economic indicators went in the tank that day you hear " they just blamed Bush for the bad economy!" or if they report no smoking guns found in Iraq that day you hear " these liberals don't support Bush in the middle East!"
When all i hear is the economy is bad and the inspections turned up nothing - which is the truth - not bias.
The Sunday morning talking heads usually always have opposing view points on the show - I don't care if the moderator or host leans one way or the other - I am intelligent enough to listen to the bullshit from both sides and decide for myself.
Listening to the politicians blah blah blah with the "party line" rhetoric and double speak is bad enough. Listening to the so called experts on TV is almost as bad. But listening to the wannabe experts blah blah blah about finding a conservative or liberal conspiracy behind every news story is about as fun as watching Sandman and Magnus spend 3 pages stickinmg their tongues out at each other.
and that is my political commentary for 2003 - see everybody next year
I agree with you wossa but I am not about to let these Republicans circle jerk like their shit don't stink. I really don't care if I'm the only different one or not. I know shit when I smell it.
Agent Smith
01-13-03, 08:51 AM
Originally posted by wossa
okay William J - I'll bite.
EDIT - sorry Agent Smith/William J - I thought that was a WJ post I was replying too. ;)
No problem. I think WilliamJ and I are basically on the same page in this thread. ;)
It would be boring if we all agreed on politics. I like to read and respond to political views that are different than my own. My intention is to have a discussion and not to slam anyone for their political views. I hope there will be more political posts in the future by everyone, regardless of political view.
vpkozel
01-13-03, 09:21 AM
LJ, that article was the biggest piece of crap I have ever read. Basically the article was saying that the press is conservative in bias. Please.
I think that a pretty good example of spinning the truth in a liberal fashion would be the way that Cheyney's sale of his Halliburton stock was handled. All of the major media outlets were pilloring him for selling the stock right before it dropped. They all implied that he had sold on insider trading, but had no proof that he did. That did not stop all of the articles though and it was in the news for at least a couple of weeks.
Also, as for Clinton and his impeachment. Everything that happened happened because he lied to a grand jury, not because he got a hummer. I personally could care less about Clinton's sexual and personal life, but when he commits perjury I think that is pushing it a bit far. I am sure that the liberal members of the board will say that he was lying about a blow job, so what is the big deal. Fair enough - if that is your position please let me know what topics are OK for a president to commit perjury about.
gridfaniker
01-13-03, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by lj4three
lets analyze the news shows that are on cable tv nightly:
7p:
Cnn- crossfire (a repub and dem)
MSNBC- some iraq show (neutral)
FOXNEWS- news show
8p:
Cnn- connie chung (borders on tabloid)
MSNBC- donahue- liberal host but brings many repubs on their, but i'll say it favors dems
FOXNEWS- o'reilly factor (repub)
9p:
Cnn- larry king (borders on tabloid)
MSNBC- chris matthews (grilles both repubs and dems)
FOXNEWS- hannity and colmes (colmes is a token dem who basically is there to make hannity look good- repub show)
News Hour w/ lehrer: balanced.
i dont see the liberal bias in the media- it seems that the media is somewhat afraid to even agree with so-called "liberals" due to the venom and spite that is delivered from the right.
Only a genius like you would be able to figure out that Fox news is conservative. Thanks for pointing that out.
Saying that Hannity and Colmes is conservatively slanted is plain moronic. It's as balanced as Crossfire.
And how convenient of you to limit the comparisons to cable programming. The Big Three networks are as liberally slanted as you can get. Dan Rather has been accused of many things. Being fair and balanced isn't one of them.
gridfaniker
01-13-03, 09:37 AM
Originally posted by kshead
As liberal as the networks may be, the closest thing the left has to these outlets is probably Public Radio.).
NPR, and PBS for that matter, do lean more than a little to the left. I believe these programs are run in part with public funds (read: taxpayer dollars). Does that not bother you? Would it bother you more if your taxdollars were being used to subsidize conservative points of view?
Originally posted by gridfaniker
And how convenient of you to limit the comparisons to cable programming. The Big Three networks are as liberally slanted as you can get. Dan Rather has been accused of many things. Being fair and balanced isn't one of them.
I know you directed your comments at LJ Grid but...
As I stated before, I figure it's no more convenient than you and others continually ignoring the fact that a lot of people (this board for starters - message boards are bad for fringe arguments) get their news from other sources that do not involve the Big 3 Liberal Commie bastards. You might also want to realize that the number of people who actually watch the network news is shrinking - and has been for a number of years. It isn't 1965 anymore. Hell, it isn't even 1985. The news/political market is fragmented to the point that this audience only covers a fraction of people in this country. And some of those have been convinced they can't trust it anyway.
To use an analogy, based on your terms...
Rush, Sean, and say...Newsmax have been accused of many things. Being fair and balanced will never be one of them. In addition, what do you think the size of their audiences are? You might want to take a look at that.
Originally posted by gridfaniker
NPR, and PBS for that matter, do lean more than a little to the left. I believe these programs are run in part with public funds (read: taxpayer dollars). Does that not bother you? Would it bother you more if your taxdollars were being used to subsidize conservative points of view?
Yeah, that bothers me. But so does the fact that some conservative think tanks hide behind tax-exempt status to get a free ride as well. Liberal think tanks do too, but there are more that lean right than lean left in this regard. That costs me money as well. Fuck tax exempt status if you are lobbying.
Rumpeltiltspin
01-13-03, 10:12 AM
Originally posted by Agent Smith
Most conservatives agree that the Fox channel has a conservative bias.
Is there a non-conservative (trying to be politically correct) that thinks there is a non-conservative spin to a major media outlet like ABC, CBS, NBC or the Boston Globe?
I accept a conservative bias because I happen to agree with a majority of this philosophy.
I believe that all news is biased in one way or another.
This is truth.
When you are part of the Choir that is being preached to, you don't see the spin before you. Especially if you think that you are in the majority, or norm. When you don't agee with the spin before you, then you think it's biases the other way. Thus you liberals out there think most of the major news networks are not left-bias. Those of you who are very conservative do not see that Fox News Channel is right-biased.
At least most conservative talk shows, will admit it's bias.
CBS, NBC, ABC definitely spin to the left (albeit not total libral). You never hear them use the term "left wing liberal" to any Democrat, even Pelosi, but they label every Pub as a "right-wing conservative". Also there can be a case made as to their left-leaning biasness in the reporting and "headlines". They do make it seem as if the majority in the country would lean left to center as in their reporting, and give passes in not challenging the far left as much as they challenge the right in everthing they do.
Bill O'Reilly definitely 'leans right', but because his views are more conservative than liberal. However he quickly bashes both sides when he doen't agree with them as well. He fairly challenges everyone he thinks does wrong, including the Bush Admin.
The one thing about the Fox News Channel that is true, the hosts are outright and honest about the way they spin. They (the hosts) don't claim to not be bias, even tho the network claims to be fair and balanced, because they do have hosts, and guests, from all sides of the spectrum.
The national media networks claim to always be 'objective', and that is their own spin when it's obvious they are not always that way.
Originally posted by Rumpeltiltspin
When you don't agee with the spin before you, then you think it's biases the other way.
That's pretty much the bottom line.
Superfluous_Nut
01-15-03, 05:40 AM
I'm glad folks are finally waking up to this. Sure, there is a bit of spin and selective word choice in some media. It's probably more pro-left than pro-right. BUT there's MUCH more blatant lying being done by the right.
The talk radio shows claim to not be "news" but rather commentary so they don't need to pay attention to things like facts. The lay out their opinions like it's the gospel. But they frame it in a newsy way. Hell, after they get thru telling you they ain't part of "the media" they all congratulate each other on the fact that 22% of people get their news from talk radio! Dunno if it's true since they don't need to fact find.
And Alan Colmes is only on Fox News to give an ugly face to Democrats. They parade out the "beautiful" right-wingers and let us all know what a Democrat looks like.
The ridiculousness of this whole argument is that we'd accept doctored news so long as it's doctored to make our side look better. WTF is that all about? Which way does the truth lean?
Agent Smith
01-15-03, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by Superfluous_Nut
BUT there's MUCH more blatant lying being done by the right.
Do you have any examples of this lying? I have always found the left to be more blatant with their lies. :)
Perception is reality.
Come on. Relax, people.
Biased news coverage is only a threat to you if you're a simpleton who takes everything you hear at face value. If you have the intelligence to read between the lines and sift through "spin," and get your news from multiple sources, not just one, there's really not much you have to worry about.
Bias often takes the form of simple wording. If I say "race quotas" instead of "affirmative action," what do you think my stance on the issue is? Or "automatic firearms" instead of "assualt weapons?" Or "free expression" instead of "immorality?" If you know who you are and what you're about, and know telling buzzwords when you hear them, you shouldn't be bothered when you hear others use the opposite term. People who are secure in their convictions based on reason and conscience should be able to listen to or read ideas they disagree with without feeling threatened.
As it is, I view partisan politics in general with amused disdain. The rigid ideologicalism and repetitive name-calling bore me to sleep and do nothing to better America. How is it that the multiple outlooks of everyone in America can be encompassed in two political parties? Is every gun-control advocate pro-choice? Is every NRA member opposed to (pick one, alphabetical order: ) affirmative action/race quotas?
If you're a militant vegetarian and you don't like Fox News, don't fucking watch it. If you're concerned about the moral decline of America and hate Donahue with a passion, watch Fox News and quit your bitching. OR, better yet, learn to watch the ones you disagree with and feel happily contented that your core beliefs are still standing after a gust from the winds of opposition.
Stress is bad for you. RELAX. IT'S O.K.
Dream Evil,
ECILAM :sagrin:
Rumpeltiltspin
01-17-03, 10:40 AM
That was very well said, ecilam.:cool:
Agent Smith
01-17-03, 11:36 AM
Originally posted by ecilam
How is it that the multiple outlooks of everyone in America can be encompassed in two political parties? Is every gun-control advocate pro-choice? Is every NRA member opposed to (pick one, alphabetical order: ) affirmative action/race quotas?
People are generally conservative or liberal and this is what those two political parties represent.
Superfluous_Nut
01-17-03, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by ecilam
Come on. Relax, people.
Biased news coverage is only a threat to you if you're a simpleton who takes everything you hear at face value. If you have the intelligence to read between the lines and sift through "spin," and get your news from multiple sources, not just one, there's really not much you have to worry about.
Bias often takes the form of simple wording. If I say "race quotas" instead of "affirmative action," what do you think my stance on the issue is? Or "automatic firearms" instead of "assualt weapons?" Or "free expression" instead of "immorality?" If you know who you are and what you're about, and know telling buzzwords when you hear them, you shouldn't be bothered when you hear others use the opposite term. People who are secure in their convictions based on reason and conscience should be able to listen to or read ideas they disagree with without feeling threatened.
As it is, I view partisan politics in general with amused disdain. The rigid ideologicalism and repetitive name-calling bore me to sleep and do nothing to better America. How is it that the multiple outlooks of everyone in America can be encompassed in two political parties? Is every gun-control advocate pro-choice? Is every NRA member opposed to (pick one, alphabetical order: ) affirmative action/race quotas?
If you're a militant vegetarian and you don't like Fox News, don't fucking watch it. If you're concerned about the moral decline of America and hate Donahue with a passion, watch Fox News and quit your bitching. OR, better yet, learn to watch the ones you disagree with and feel happily contented that your core beliefs are still standing after a gust from the winds of opposition.
Stress is bad for you. RELAX. IT'S O.K.
Dream Evil,
ECILAM :sagrin:
I'm not worried about me, I'm worried about the countless sheep in society. It's a big deal.
The biggest "lie" in America right now is the No Fly zones in Iraq. The UN has no position on the matter and yet the media implies that they are UN approved. They never actually say it, but they certainly don't say they're not. They say "Allied planes" are patroling to suggest that the same alliance of nations is involved and really it's just the US and Brittain.
I know what's going on there, but most folks don't. They hear this and think -- bastards are shooting at us! They don't hear that we've basically been occupying portions of Iraq for 12 years.
The Media is huge. It's biases are important. They control everything we see, hear, and read.
Consider advertising. Nobody thinks they're affected by advertising, but so much money goes into ads that they simply must work -- it's too big an industry to be pointless. Nobody would spend billions of dollars if they didn't see a return on the money. Those same minds are selling us our news.
...I'm worried about the countless sheep in society. It's a big deal.
Hey, no arguement there. The world is filled with morons. I guess I'm just not worried about them.
**shrug** Akuna matata!
E.
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