Major Problem with Space Shuttle

[meatpile]

Went missing over Texas. No radar, no radio.

No visible.

:( :( :( :( :( :( :(

[meatpile]

At 207,000 feet when it hit atmosphere.

[voyergirl]

OMG not again.................:( link me to something live if you could

[BearBryant]

that sucks...I bet it burned up

[BearBryant]

Originally posted by voyergirl
OMG not again.................:( link me to something live if you could


turn on your tv

[BearBryant]

its gone..

[voyergirl]

Originally posted by BearBryant



turn on your tv

it is on.............they have broken into no regular programs for it. we have no cable here bear.

[BearBryant]

cbs

[voyergirl]

i am watching it now :(

[QueenCityHillbilly]

That sucks

[voyergirl]

they heard an explosion and had debris falling. there was an israeli on board. this was the 27th flight for columbia

[slydevl]

They have video of it coming apart. Wow. This sucks. God bless them and their families.

[voyergirl]

Originally posted by slydevl
God bless them and their families.


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[Couz]

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[Coops Greatest Fan]

Although not confirmed, it's gone guys......

[reb]

Just terrible, besides the loss of life these things always set back the space program for years. To me astronauts are the hero's of the world. If I could be anything it would be to be a space explorer.

[Stargazer]

It reminds me of the last time...that tape of the breakup. I watched it over and over and over...I just couldn't seem to take my eyes off of it. I'm glad they don't have any footage this time.

Tragedy for the families and the nation...

[hasbeen99]

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[Stargazer]

Damn! Spoke too soon...is there ANYTHING that happens that someone doesn't video? Sheesh!!!

[twentybelow0]

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the picture I saw on cnn show many peices flying overhead:(

[wossa]

damn


my source for news.

this sucks

I always wanted to go up in one of those things - this just makes you realize its not all fun and games.

:( :( :(

[reb]

I would go in a heartbeat.

[barracuda]

Happened to be watching when the video came on, the Columbia was the oldest in the fleet. Seven souls lost undoubtedly. GOD BLESS THEM AND THIER FAMILIES.

[voyergirl]

crew members

Rick Husband (http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/husband.html)

Willie McCool (http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/mccool.html)

there are more, but it seems the kennedy space center site is jammed. i'll do more members as i can:(

[barracuda]

Now saying that damage was done to the shuttle during launch but at the time they didn't think it was major.

[Coops Greatest Fan]

Originally posted by Stargazer
I'm glad they don't have any footage this time.

The first channel I turned to is the one that had the footage. They keep playing it over and over. I've had to walk away a few times, otherwise I was going to lose it. Bush is headed back to the White House from Camp David. We should hear something from him around mid day they say.

My first thoughts on the matter after hearing there was an Isreal on there was terrorists. Not that the thing blowing up isn't bad enough, but if we find out it was terrorists, the war is on!

[SilverSurfer]

Fuck. :(

They're gone. :(

Will pray for the members and their families.

[y2b]

just aweful

Over Texas 15 minutes from landing on the east coast of Florida. I flew frew from Tampa to Houston, it took 4 hours.

It's probably in the Gulf. Maybe they are alive. Maybe they ejected or something.

[voyergirl]

Michael Anderson (http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/anderson.html)

Kalpana Chawla (http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/chawla.html)

David Brown (http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/brown.html)

Laurel Clark (http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/htmlbios/clark.html)

Ilan Ramon (http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/PS/ramon.html)


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[plutosgirl]

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Sad, Sad:(

[dig-it]

Husband

[dig-it]

Anderson

[dig-it]

Chawla

[dig-it]

Brown

[dig-it]

McCool

[dig-it]

Ramon

[WilliamJ]

it's rough watching these pictures....

rest in peace.

[Coops Greatest Fan]

Originally posted by WilliamJ
it's rough watching these pictures....

rest in peace.

I had to stop watching. I'm working at the community center right now and there are tons of parents around the tv. Even their kids.

[voyergirl]

pictures.....lemmie help dig

Husband
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/portraits/husband.gif


McCool
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/portraits/mccool-thumbnail.jpg

Anderson
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/portraits/anderson.gif

Chawla
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/portraits/chawla-thumbnail.jpg

Brown
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/portraits/brown-thumbnail.jpg

Clark
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/portraits/clark.gif

Ramon
http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/Bios/PS/photo/ramon-thumbnail.jpg

[dig-it]

Clark

[y2b]

This woman in Isreal just said " ..a college of mine was talking to a top representative at Isreal's Spy, uh excuse me, Space Agency...."

[vpkozel]

this is not the pleasant kind of deja vu

[HighPoint49er]

Well, a birthday I'll not forget. :( My heart goes out to the families, NASA and to the country and to those in Israel...


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NASA STATEMENT ON LOSS OF COMMUNICATIONS WITH COLUMBIA

A Space Shuttle contingency has been declared in Mission Control, Houston, as a result of the loss of communication with the Space Shuttle Columbia at approximately 9 a.m. EST Saturday as it descended toward a landing at the Kennedy Space Center, Fla. It was scheduled to touchdown at 9:16 a.m. EST.

Communication and tracking of the shuttle was lost at 9 a.m. EST at an altitude of about 203,000 feet in the area above north central Texas. At the time communications were lost. The shuttle was traveling approximately 12,500 miles per hour (Mach 18). No communication and tracking information were received in Mission Control after that time.

Search and rescue teams in the Dallas-Fort Worth and in portions of East Texas have been alerted. Any debris that is located in the area that may be related to the Space Shuttle contingency should be avoided and may be hazardous as a result of toxic propellants used aboard the shuttle. The location of any possible debris should immediately be reported to local authorities.

Flight controllers in Mission Control have secured all information, notes and data pertinent to today's entry and landing by Space Shuttle Columbia and continue to methodically proceed through contingency plans.

News media covering the Space Shuttle should stay tuned to NASA Television, which is broadcast on AMC-2, transponder 9C, C-Band, located at 85 degrees West longitude. The frequency is 3880.0 MHz. Polarization is vertical and audio is monaural at 6.8 MHz. Reporters can also go to any NASA center newsroom to monitor the situation.

[Coops Greatest Fan]

I was going to say something about celebrating on a day like this, but decided against it.

Some people I babysit for, it's their littlest one's 1st birthday today.

[BearBryant]

Did anyone hear the guy who called CBS and said a huge piece had fallen in his front yard? He then said it looked like baba boey's tooth and then called Dan Rather an idiot. Hope they traced that call.

[HighPoint49er]

The STS-107 crew pose for a photo after their arrival at KSC for pre-launch preparations. Standing from left to right are Mission Specialist Kalpana Chawla, Payload Commander Michael Anderson, Pilot William "Willie" McCool, Commander Rick Husband, Mission Specialists Laurel Clark and David Brown, and Payload Specialist Ilan Ramon.

[SilverSurfer]

Originally posted by BearBryant
Did anyone hear the guy who called CBS and said a huge piece had fallen in his front yard? He then said it looked like baba boey's tooth and then called Dan Rather an idiot. Hope they traced that call.

Yeah, regardless of what you think of Dan, you shouldn't call in a national crisis where people lost their lives and put somebody down . What a jerk.

[PantherPaul]

There were like 3 first time flyers on this crew including the commander (first as commander) makes you wonder if that was the right desicion to have so many newbies on one flight

[builder]

Originally posted by SilverSurfer
What a jerk.

Baba Boo-eey is a code word for the idiots that make prank calls and listen to the Howard Stern show. Bunch of dumbasses IMHO anyways.

[PantherPaul]

Didn't at one time some insurance company offer special insurance for falling shuttle pieces?

[Inamorata]

:( :( :(
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[The Brahma Bull]

Ok how is this a national crisis? What goes up must come down. This time it didnt make it. This kinda stuff happens a lot and NASA was due in for another accident. Sending people in space for menial tasks over and over will eventually lead to another oopsy. I feel sorry for the familys, but could care less that it blew up.

[vpkozel]

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[HighPoint49er]

I'll bite my tongue over the post from the Brahma Bull.

http://wwwi.reuters.com/images/2003-02-01T161538Z_01_KSC11D_RTRIDSP_2_SPACE-SHUTTLE.jpg
NASA security officers lower the American flag in the press site with launch pad 39A in the background at the Kennedy Space Center in Cape Canaveral, Florida February 1, 2003. NASA lost contact with the shuttle at around 9 a.m./1400 GMT, about 16 minutes before its scheduled landing at Kennedy Space Center. Columbia is NASA's oldest shuttle and first flew in 1981. The shuttle was carrying a crew of seven back to earth, on a 16-day scientific research mission. REUTERS/Duffin McGee

http://wwwi.reuters.com/images/2003-02-01T160058Z_01_KSC10DR_RTRIDSP_2_SPACE-SHUTTLE.jpg
REUTERS/Duffin McGee

[BearBryant]

Originally posted by The Brahma Bull
Ok how is this a national crisis? What goes up must come down. This time it didnt make it. This kinda stuff happens a lot and NASA was due in for another accident. Sending people in space for menial tasks over and over will eventually lead to another oopsy. I feel sorry for the familys, but could care less that it blew up.

Are you missing your favorite cartoon's because of this?

[Coops Greatest Fan]

Thanks HP for posting those pics. Makes me realize that not all Americans are insensitive!

[The Brahma Bull]

Originally posted by BearBryant


Are you missing your favorite cartoon's because of this?

Oh god no, I've got my CD player on. Plus Cartoon Network could care less about this as well, I'm sure.

[gutter]

It does piss me off that NASA can't make the news for anything other than a tragedy.:(

They are doing great stuff over there and we don't get to hear about it cause a blowjob from an intern is more newsworthy.:rolleyes:

[jbghostrat]

what were they doing what was there job this time?

[HighPoint49er]

Originally posted by gutter
It does piss me off that NASA can't make the news for anything other than a tragedy.:(

They are doing great stuff over there and we don't get to hear about it cause a blowjob from an intern is more newsworthy.:rolleyes:
Agreed gutter.


The Columbia Crew
http://wwwi.reuters.com/images/2003-02-01T155027Z_01_HOU01_RTRIDSP_2_SPACE-SHUTTLE.jpg
The seven STS-107 crew members pose for the traditional crew portrait. Seated in front are astronauts Rick D. Husband (left), mission commander; Kalpana Chawla, mission specialist; and William C. McCool, pilot. Standing are (from the left} astronauts David M. Brown, Laurel B. Clark, and Michael P. Anderson, all mission specialists; and Ilan Ramon, payload specialist representing the Israeli Space Agency. This photo was taken October, 2001.

[jbghostrat]

Originally posted by The Brahma Bull
Ok how is this a national crisis? What goes up must come down. This time it didnt make it. This kinda stuff happens a lot and NASA was due in for another accident. Sending people in space for menial tasks over and over will eventually lead to another oopsy. I feel sorry for the familys, but could care less that it blew up.


you're kinda dumb, aren't you?!

[The Brahma Bull]

Not at all, I just dont care. Theres a difference.

[Ignatowski]

Unreal. I happened to be home sick from school in 1986 when the Challenger blew up....they broke away from the gameshow i was watching to show the take off, and i watched it happen live. You thinkyou'll never see something liek this happen again, and it does.

What a shitty way to die.

[The Brahma Bull]

Well no thanks to any of you, I got an answer from another board as to why this is such a big deal.

Oh well, I knew I couldn’t find any decent answers at this place. Your all to hypocritical. I mean heaven forbid anyone have a different view.

[jbghostrat]

does anybody know what they were doing? i haven't heard on the news and hb didn't know either.

[HighPoint49er]

Shuttle debris falls in Nacogdoches
By EMILY TARAVELLA, KENDALL ROGERS, BRIAN ROSS, APRIL BARBE, and GARY BORDERS / The Nacogdoches Daily Sentinel

NACOGDOCHES, Texas - Debris from the space shuttle Columbia fell over Nacogdoches County Saturday morning, seconds after a huge explosion rocked windows and doors. Law enforcement personnel and National Guard reservists moved quickly to cordon off areas where debris landed as reports continued to come in Saturday morning throughout the city and county.

No injuries were reported, but at least two houses were damaged when pieces went through the roofs.

Nacogdoches police Lt. Paul Peterson was at work doing paperwork when he heard a huge rumble and vibration.

" My first impression was that it was a couple of fighter jets doing a low flyover," Peterson said. "Then the phone started ringing nonstop and people started reporting debris."

"It's everywhere," Mike Claude, with the Nacogdoches Sheriff's office, said late Saturday morning. "Right now we are trying to replace our officers with National guard members."

The explosion blew open the back doors of Commercial Bank of Texas NA, and a piece approximately 3 feet by 4 feet landed in the back parking lot.

The piece landed on the back parking lot between the bank and the Masonic Lodge. Police have cordoned off an area about 100 yards square.

"It looks like a coated aluminum pot," bank president Tommy Ellison said.

Several small pieces that perhaps broke off on impact were scattered in the lot, Ellison said.

Ruth Ann Peterson, an employee at the bank, located in downtown Nacogdoches, was driving near downtown and saw what looked like the moon. It looked like a bright light with what look to be sparklers trailing behind it moving in an east-to-northerly direction.

Nacogdoches resident John F. Anderson found a tile on his front patio, and began searching the rest of his property south of downtown. Piles of powder and other small debris were scattered across his yard and in the street in front of his house.

"What we're going to do is mark it all with a nail and some tape, and wait for word on what to do," Anderson said.

Nacogdoches police officer Rob Thorne marked off a small piece of debris in front of Anderson's home.

"The military is on its way to take over," Thorne said.

Law enforcement officers were instructed to keep people 100 yards away from the debris because of fears of contamination from the propellant. However, a number of residents picked up pieces and turned them in law enforcement officers.

Greg Sowell, community services officer for Nacogdoches Police Department, said the department is receiving calls over town and securing the areas until they receive further instructions from the federal government.

Dawn Wilson and her son were driving down a residential street when a piece nearly hit her truck.

"We didn't know what it was, so I just kept going. I called the police department when I got home, and then we came back when we heard on the radio what had happened."

Debris struck the roof of District Attorney Ed Klein's mother's house, on York Street off of Appleby Sand.

Klein said it looked like a mortar round had hit the house and that daylight was visible through at least a half-dozen holes in the cedar roof.

As of 10 a.m. Saturday, G.W. Jones, assistant administrator at Nacogdoches Memorial Hospital said that he knew of four people who had checked in for treatment - two at Memorial and two at Nacogdoches Medical Center.

"Right now, if they have touched a piece of it, we're telling them to immediately lay it down and wash their hands profusely with soap and water, then contact their physician or get to an emergency room," Jones said.

Jones said that the city had activated its emergency operations plan, but only for city personnel. Additional assistance from county or other personnel had not been requested.

Jones added that, so far, he had not received any reports of adverse effects of handling the debris. "My thought is that NASA just doesn't want anybody touching the stuff," Jones said.

[LLG]

Originally posted by Ignatowski
Unreal. I happened to be home sick from school in 1986 when the Challenger blew up....they broke away from the gameshow i was watching to show the take off, and i watched it happen live. You thinkyou'll never see something liek this happen again, and it does.

What a shitty way to die.


I was off work that day, and outside working in the yard when it blew up. I saw it. One of the most haunting images I can recall.

[PantherPaul]

Hey Brahma since you don't see the importance of human life outside of your narrow minded world then you won't mind if we don't give a fat rats ass if you or your loved ones bite the big one. Insensitive piece of shit :bird5: :bird3: :bird1: :bird4: :bird6:

[The Brahma Bull]

Originally posted by PantherPaul
Then you won't mind if we don't give a fat rats ass if you or your loved ones bite the big one. Insensitive piece of shit :bird5: :bird3: :bird1: :bird4: :bird6:

I said I felt bad for the familys that lost thier loved ones. HOWEVER, I didnt understand why this was such a major thing. After all, people die all the time. But anyway, I have my answer no thanks to anyone here.

I'll be back later, feel free to continue to make asinine comments while I'm gone. After all, that all most of you are good for anyway.

[Coops Greatest Fan]

Can someone make one of the pics HP posted into the avatar size for me? I sure would appreciate it!!

[Puttingood]

This is very sad indeed.:(

[jbghostrat]

Originally posted by The Brahma Bull


I said I felt bad for the familys that lost thier loved ones. HOWEVER, I didnt understand why this was such a major thing. After all, people die all the time. But anyway, I have my answer no thanks to anyone here.

I'll be back later, feel free to continue to make asinine comments while I'm gone. After all, that all most of you are good for anyway.


Did you even ask a question in your first post? I just thought you were making asinine comments:rolleyes:

so what did you find out from this other board?

[HighPoint49er]

Originally posted by Coops Greatest Fan
Can someone make one of the pics HP posted into the avatar size for me? I sure would appreciate it!!
Here Coops, not sure what you wanted or how good these will be.

[HighPoint49er]

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[Coops Greatest Fan]

The flag ones. although those are nice too!

[HighPoint49er]

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[Coops Greatest Fan]

Thanks HP! I may change it between the 3 this week.

[HighPoint49er]

Two more for now.

Space center

[HighPoint49er]

Outside Johnson Space Center...

[Coops Greatest Fan]

I like your avatar too HP...Thanks for the work on the other ones. I'm sure those that feel the need will change theirs to something fitting of the situation.

[Rob]

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[PhotoGuy]

:(

[gutter]

It's really simple what they are doing. They are trying to make a better life for us. Just like the pioneers before them. Someone said, "hey, this electricity thing ain't so bad." And somebody else said,"I don't like tea and crumpets, let's kick some British ass." They are people that go out on a limb just to have someone say, what's the big fucking deal? They're dead? Well, it's a big deal to me.

[jbghostrat]

Would someone Please tell me what they went up for?
They was talking about we got people on space stations and they will have to stay there longer and they have some that have been up there like 6 to 7 months already. What do they do while they are up there? does anybody know?

[gutter]

It's a secret.:quiet:

[builder]

They do stuff.

[TimTam]

Tests on different animals (ants at this time) in order to find out how better we could make a space station for the masses when our planet craps out. Also tests our physics concepts since all take place in a vaccum.

[meatpile]

Originally posted by BearBryant
Did anyone hear the guy who called CBS and said a huge piece had fallen in his front yard? He then said it looked like baba boey's tooth and then called Dan Rather an idiot. Hope they traced that call.

The same guy called NBC and said it was shot down by some guy that thought Howard Stern was on board.

Wierd.

[muc]

Some peolple don't have the sense God gave a goat.

[Dukesuckgounc]

i cant belive this this one of the sad itst thing in my life there was a israeli guy on board God bless everyone that was on board:mercy:

[PantherMills]

I heard where this crew conducted somewhere in the neighborhood of 80 "tests" or "experiments". Just as Columbus "tested" the supposed flatness of the earth, these pioneers are testing the outer limits of our knowledge of space. I consider them heroes.

[wossa]

Originally posted by The Brahma Bull


I said I felt bad for the familys that lost thier loved ones. HOWEVER, I didnt understand why this was such a major thing. After all, people die all the time. But anyway, I have my answer no thanks to anyone here.

I'll be back later, feel free to continue to make asinine comments while I'm gone. After all, that all most of you are good for anyway.

don't bother coming back

we don't want your sorry ass here anyway

[jbghostrat]

Originally posted by gutter
It's a secret.:quiet:


so, you don't know either, huh?


Thanks panthermills and timtam , i would like to know more it's interesting. I would like to know how they live up there and all that stuff. they should do a reality show about that~ that would be cool!

[mediafreak]

Below is an actual email from a reader. :

Has anyone noticed the coincidence of the shuttle crash and the debris field near Palestine, Texas?


There are a couple more. People will look for coincidences in everything.


As for why this is a national event, because we lost 7 brave souls who risked their lives for the advancement of humanity. What makes them so different Nothing but the battlefield. Soldiers fight to defend us. These astronauts, these human beings, fought to satisfy our eagerness to explore our curiousity -- about where we came from and where we can and will go.


Onward and upward.

[Honeygirl]

My God, I can't believe this...:( A very sad day - not just for America, but for space technology, the advancements that we gain from NASA, and for the families of those lost. Unbelievable - and terribly sad. :(

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[PantherPaul]

I am sorry I got snippy before but I just get the insensitivity of some people. I mean the old saying makes sence. "If you can't say something nice then shut the fuck up" Lets take it down to it's most simpliest element, It was a loss of human life. They were up there benefiting all of us in a way. We can get patriotic here as Dukie did in his way, but I just feel for the families and the individuals themselves. I can't discount the loss of a life as casually as Brahma can.

[jbghostrat]

Panther,

i'm not sure but i would say that Brahma hasn't lost anyone that was close to him so he really doesn't know how it feels so that is why he can say what he said so easily.

in two years i've heard alot of stupid comments like this said to my face but i'm suppose to just forgive them cause they don't know anybetter (advice from my counselor)

But yeah, the best thing for people who say stupid uncaring things like that is to just Not say anything at all.

[hasbeen99]

Panthermills, and others who consider the crew of the Columbia to be heroes:

I've been chewing on this all morning, knowing someone would use that term to describe them. I totally respect your right to your feelings, and I'm not here to say that I categorically disagree with them. But at the same time, I just don't know if I can join you in that sentiment.

To me, the idea of "hero" took on a whole different meaning on September 11, 2001. Scores of firefighters, policemen and rescue workers raced up the stairs of a collapsing building to rescue people trapped inside. Unquestionably, those men and women were heroes.

The crew of the Columbia were courageous. They were intelligent. They were among the best in the world at what they did. They willingly risked their lives, but for what? The only answer I've been able to come up with is science. These brave men and women are martyred scientists. I can see the argument of serving all of mankind through being part of the future benefit we should reap from space exploration. But to me, the sacrifice does not meet the standard that has been set.

Perhaps there are many kinds of heroes, on different levels. Parents, teachers, siblings, mentors, friends. Are these any less, who make life-changing impacts on people every day?

The closest I can come to lifting these 7 people to that standard would be to acknowledge that the Israeli astronaut was considered a national hero by his people. He represented something much, much larger than science, and the weight of his loss registers particularly heavy among his countrymen today.

I have heard another account about Cdr. Anderson, who has been named a local hero to his community, helping the young African Americans of his city understand they can reach for, and touch the stars -- that they do, indeed, have a future beyond their past. Perhaps he is a hero, too.

Please understand, I do not wish to demean or devalue the lives lost in this tragic event. Life is precious, and people matter to God. But before we start tossing around the label of 'hero' wherever it feels good, let us first consider the price that has been paid by those who have undoubtedly earned it.

[plutosgirl]

Well truthfully there are things that everyone thinks but wouldn't say it. Maybe some people just like the shock affect it has or don't have enough gumption to post anything intelligent or funny so they go for the shock factor....not saying this is the case, it's just a point.

[Stargazer]

Originally posted by BearBryant


Are you missing your favorite cartoon's because of this?
Thanks, Bear...great post! Sad, but SO true. :(

[Piper]

They gave their life for their passion, their sense of exploration, and their commitment to science and the betterment of our culture and understanding of the world.

Heroes, IMO. I think they reach that bar.

[sds70]

Damn this is awful :( :( . . . Kinda reminds me of finding out about 9/11 . . . Just woke up, turned on the TV, and then I saw the WTC Complex gone . . . Took me a few minutes to realize what happened . . . . . I thought at first there were problems with the landing, had to flip around to find out that it exploded while preparing to land . . .


BTW WBTV: We've had a national tragedy take place to today and you guys decide to show ACC Hoops instead like everything is normal . . . . Cmon guys, get your priorites straights :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :mad: :mad: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Miss tery]

Originally posted by Piper

Heroes, IMO. I think they reach that bar.
I agree, but I am afraid the Prez will attempt to capitalize on the patriotic "bump" caused by this to war-monger even harder.

[PantherPaul]

Originally posted by Miss tery

I agree, but I am afraid the Prez will attemt to capitalize on the patriotic "bump" caused by this to war-monger even harder.

Took the words out of my mouth

[mediafreak]

I'm not one to push religion and faith on anyone. I think it's hypocritical and it's something I'd rather keep to myself. (I am no Bible pusher, that's for sure).

But all day long I've had this song in my head and I can't help but feel it's appropriate in light of today's tragedy. It's been one of my favorite hymns since I was in 6th-grader in a Chicago Catholic school.

http://www.stmatthew-ucc.org/zzOnEaglesWings.html

On Eagle's Wings
Based on Psalm 91
Composer's Note:
When the time comes for young eagles to learn to fly, the mother takes one eaglet upon her wings and soars high above the desert. She then shakes her young one off to make its first attempts at flight. If she sees her young in any trouble, she dives beneath it, catches it on her wings, and sours aloft again to repeat the learning process.



You who dwell in the shelter of the Lord,
who abide in His shadow for life,
say to the Lord: "My refuge,
my Rock in whom I trust!"

Refrain:
And He will raise you up on eagle's wings,
bear you on the breath of dawn,
make you to shine like the sun,
and hold you in the palm of His hand.

The snare of the fowler will never capture you,
and famine will bring you no fear:
under His wings your refuge,
His faithfulness your shield.

Refrain:
And He will raise you up on eagle's wings,
bear you on the breath of dawn,
make you to shine like the sun,
and hold you in the palm of His hand.

You need not fear the terror of the night,
nor the arrow that flies by day;
though thousands fall about you,
near you it shall not come.

Refrain:
And He will raise you up on eagle's wings,
bear you on the breath of dawn,
make you to shine like the sun,
and hold you in the palm of His hand.

For to His angels He's given a command
to guard you in all of your ways;
upon their hands they will bear you up,
lest you dash your foot against a stone.

Refrain:
And He will raise you up on eagle's wings,
bear you on the breath of dawn,
make you to shine like the sun,
and hold you in the palm of His hand.

[sds70]

On takeoff, a part of the external fuel tank came off and took off some of the heat shield of the back of the Shuttle . . . . . NASA thought it wasn't a big deal . . . . Hmmmmmmmmmm, perhaps it was a problem after all . . . . With the shuttle up at 200,000 feet traveling at Mach 18, it sounded like the shuttle C-O-U-L-D H-A-V-E gotten to hot and then simply exploded . . . . With the shuttle crashing thru the atmosphere at that speed and that trajectory, the left (?) part of the shuttle got too hot, too quick for the Shuttle crew . . . .

[PantherPaul]

I thought it hit the left wing causing "minimal" damage and like you said not a big deal. I guess if they did think it was a big deal they didn't tell the astonauts and hoped that it is fact wasn't a big deal

[sds70]

Originally posted by PantherPaul
I thought it hit the left wing causing "minimal" damage and like you said not a big deal. I guess if they did think it was a big deal they didn't tell the astonauts and hoped that it is fact wasn't a big deal


But if their investigation showed that it was a big deal, Uh-ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, can you spell lawsuit kids ? ? ? ? ?

[BearBryant]

Originally posted by PantherPaul
I thought it hit the left wing causing "minimal" damage and like you said not a big deal. I guess if they did think it was a big deal they didn't tell the astonauts and hoped that it is fact wasn't a big deal

I think NASA knew this was going to be a problem getting them back safely, but how do you stop a shuttle after takeoff? The shuttle is going straight up in the air. The shuttle cant fly, it has to glide. They could not have dropped their booster's and uprighted the shuttle for landing safely. maybe they had better chance of survival carrying out the mission than trying to abort and turn around.

[dig-it]

I understand they had an escape plan, but couldn`t use it during a reentry.

[BearBryant]

Originally posted by dig-it
I understand they had an escape plan, but couldn`t use it during a reentry.

They were traveling 12,500 mph when it blew up. Dont think they could ejected at the speed and the altitude they were still at. Ejecting would have probably killed them too.

[reb]

I'll bet it happend so fast they didn't know what happened. vaporized

[BearBryant]

Originally posted by reb
I'll bet it happend so fast they didn't know what happened. vaporized


yep..they would died worse trying to eject.

[Stargazer]

Could they have taken shelter in the space station until another shuttle could be sent for them? Was that even an option, do you think?

[mediafreak]

The shuttle could not be controlled or flown like an aircraft.

One report I saw on the wire said all seven were still in a state of weightlessness at that point. But because of G forces, they could not move and could only watch the instrument panel.

They were doomed.

[reb]

yep, at 12,500 mph if something goes wrong you pretty much can kiss it goodby.


I see your point Stargazer. You would think if they saw something bounce off the side of the shuttle on liftoff they would have gone out and kicked the tires at least once in sixteen days. They prolly did and didn't see nothing wrong.

[Stargazer]

Back when the Apollo space mission was in jeopardy, they showed hours of footage on how Houston was handling the situation. The entire nation watched the reentry. I guess the shuttle missions have grown so frequent that we don't notice anymore. That's an odd view, I guess. WilliamJ sees it totally opposite.

[reb]

He has gimp ancestory, what can you do.

[WilliamJ]

Originally posted by Stargazer
Back when the Apollo space mission was in jeopardy, they showed hours of footage on how Houston was handling the situation. The entire nation watched the reentry. I guess the shuttle missions have grown so frequent that we don't notice anymore. That's an odd view, I guess. WilliamJ sees it totally opposite.

I remember in 1981 when Columbia first went into space how huge a deal it was, then I remember 1986 when Challenger went in how shocking it was. Now 17 years and I don't know how launches later, Columbia goes up and disintigrates on re-entry, how many of us knew there was a Space Shuttle in orbit this past 2 weeks? I didn't.

Am interested in what happened from a scientific and mechanical aspect.

And I think these Astronauts need to be remembered in a national memorial service, they did die in service to their country.

[PhotoGuy]

I have this Kodak Challenger Disc camera, sold just before the launch and explosion of the Challenger shuttle. It was pulled from the market immediately. I wonder if it would be worth anything.

Kodak's footnote regarding this camera after being discontinued:
For promotion or premium use by other companies--not available in retail stores.

[BearBryant]

Originally posted by PhotoGuy
I have this Kodak Challenger Disc camera, sold just before the launch and explosion of the Challenger shuttle. It was pulled from the market immediately. I wonder if it would be worth anything.

Kodak's footnote regarding this camera after being discontinued:
For promotion or premium use by other companies--not available in retail stores.

worth about $10..hold on to it.:)

[SemperFi]

What's the significance of the "3" in people's posts?

[Puttingood]

What's the significance of the "3" in people's posts?

It's a Dale Earnhart 3 for when he left us.

[BearBryant]

#3..coming up on 2 years.:(

[PhotoGuy]

seems like yesterday :(

3

[BearBryant]

Originally posted by CharlotteDude


Sure does - I was there and took this picture:

all I can say is 'damn'. Never was an #3 fan but I respected him as a driver and what he did for nascar.

[Piper]

Most yall probably heard this, but anyway, this is what I heard.

The NASA guy was talking yesterday about when they discovered that foam that hit the wing. Well, they didn't really notice it until the next day reviewing footage. He also said they don't have any ability to either inspect or repair the wing, and the crew was only trained to do a limited amount of space walk anyway.

So it sounds even if they knew about a problem, they couldn't do nothing anyway. :(

[lj4three]

very sad. they are all heroes- they sacrificed their lives for the benefit of the human race. God bless them.

[BearBryant]

Originally posted by BearBryant


I think NASA knew this was going to be a problem getting them back safely, but how do you stop a shuttle after takeoff? The shuttle is going straight up in the air. The shuttle cant fly, it has to glide. They could not have dropped their booster's and uprighted the shuttle for landing safely. maybe they had better chance of survival carrying out the mission than trying to abort and turn around.

[magnus]

I found out in the waiting room up here in Raleigh. It was the morning we found out that my girlfriend's father wouldn't ever have the capacity to return so I never really found anything out.
It's probably been one of my hardest days, that one. In addition to having to be the support shoulder for a family I still barely know, my grandfather was original NASA. He did the spacesuits for everybody up until after Apollo I, which was just too hard for him, so he retired. I still have his hard hat and always tried to watch what NASA did with pride.
I was a little guy when Challenger went, and he was in pieces for days. He's not here anymore either, and it all just kinda wrapped together to make for a really horrid 24 . But I got through it to the next one and not everybody did, so I guess in the end it's not as bad as I think. Just not easy anyway.

[hasbeen99]

Sounds like a really rough one, magnus. I'm sorry you had to go through that. Props to you, though, in being there not only for your girlfriend, but her family. Not a lot of guys would do that these days. You're a good man, C. :)

[lj4three]

sorry to hear about the hardships mags, hang in there bro!

[T_Schroll]

From everything I've been hearing tonight, they couldn't have made it to the space station for lack of fuel. They would have been required to change orbit to make it and didn't have enough juice left to make it. The space station has an escape capsule (an old Soyuz), but it 's only a three seater. This doesn't even figure in the oxygen needed for them to survive until another shuttle could be readied for a rescue attempt. I surmize they took a shot at hoping the Columbia would hold together for a landing, it backfired. They were doomed from the jump, the only chance they had was to abort at takeoff.

I've also been hearing the approach angle was too steep because of the steering corrections being made by the computers during the S turns they use as breaking. The drag from the left wing made the computers overcompensate. My guess is that the left wing burned through after the tiles failed and then the wing collapsed and ripped away making the craft completely unstable and the torque involved ripped it to shreads since the fuel cells have been found to be mostly intact.

[hasbeen99]

I saw an interview on Fox News (Greta Van Sustren) last night with a NASA official that said they don't have the ability to monitor/control two shuttles simultaneously from the ground anyway. Don't know if they could've docked Columbia and taken it off line to control the rescue shuttle.