View Full Version : Most over rated rockers...ever...
Freakshow
03-25-02, 01:41 PM
I would have to say Jimi Hendrix.
Sure, he was different. But that's it. Songs were bad, singing was worse. Give me Ritchie Blackmore, Jimmy Page, or even Tony Iommi over Hendrix.
YOU'RE BOTH CRAZY.
FOR ME, LED ZEP.
BearBryant
03-25-02, 02:37 PM
80's big hair bands. all of them
Slayer.
Just kidding.
The Stones. I like some of their songs, and what they did for some old bluesman, but they lived off their rep without putting out anything decent for far too long.
Originally posted by BearBryant
80's big hair bands. all of them
To be overrated, someone has to rate them highly.
Have to give those bands credit. Without them, I might not have sought relief and found worthwhile music elsewhere.
Add GnR to the list, though.
SandMan
03-25-02, 04:11 PM
U2 never overated... whaz up wit dat Larry D?
I would say, without a doubt... David Lee Roth O V E R A T E D...
led zep overated? i beg to differ. led zep is a legend! oh, we are going by personal opinions, ok. my bad!
green day. :(
The Brain
03-25-02, 06:13 PM
Winger
U2 is mostly hype nowadays, yes, but they did put out solid material for ten + years.
Hendrix overrated? He only got on the scene for four years before he died. People are going to make him into a legend but I feel that's no more over-hyped than Jim Morrison or Kurt Cobain, and in the end the body of work Hendrix did as a guitarist alone far exceeds either Morrison or Cobain as a singer.
Oh, and Bon Jovi. Most definately can't see that one at all. I can understand the draw to even Billy Joel, Elton john, or Neil Diamond (ugh) though I can't get into them.
limp bizkit
creed
led zepplin
Just cant understand any of their followings
SilverSurfer
03-25-02, 08:03 PM
Originally posted by Freakshow
I would have to say Jimi Hendrix.
Me too Freak. I never have liked Hendrix. Every time I hear one of his songs it makes me cringe.
I also hate U2 - I don't HATE Zeppelin, but I never cared much for em other than 1 or 2 songs.
mathmajors
03-25-02, 08:07 PM
Hendrix came first. You can't discount influence.
That's right mathmajor, I don't know where music would be without Hendrix and Zeppelin. Next someone will say Clapton.:rolleyes:
GnR suuuuuuuuucks:p
jazzredcat
03-25-02, 08:58 PM
As far as I'm concerned Jimi Hendrix was the only rocker of that era worth listening to. He had a mellow voice and could really play the guitar. 'Course, I guess that's a strike against him with
"rockers." You know, being deciplined and all...
I can't stand Led Zeplin[sp]. That goddam lead singer sounds like a cat that got it's tail under a rocking chair; or scratching a blackboard. How anyone can listen to that shit is beyond me.
with Zep it's more the music than the words or the singer. I can enjoy the music.
Apparently there are a lot of people who don't like Hendrix and equate that with overrated.
AppState
03-25-02, 11:00 PM
Queen. I never understood the craze.
Nothing sucked worse than that Puff the magic Diddy collaboration with Jimmy Page. The lyrics weren't even fresh...it was something about "I want to fight you"?
overrated?
Rappers
ALL OF THEM.
overrated - Bruce Springsteen - lots of his music is too dam depressing
most overrated of all time - Bob Seger. UGH! Makes me want to :suicide:
For all their rock critic praise, REM doesn't realy deliver the goods. Very predictable and listless.
Don't hate them, but compared to their hype, not all that.
Springsting I never cared for either, but I can see the appeal. I don't neccessarily equate overrated with sucks, you can still be good and be overrated. That's why I mentioned the Stones. I do like a lot of their songs, but for being mentioned in the top 5 constantly, they've put out a lot of crap in their latter part of their career.
Tht may be a tad unfair. Penalizing them for not dying young.
I do like Bob Segar, actually. And Hendrix was the first real electronic improvisational composer. He was a good blues singer, but he was an exceptional guitarist. Knew how to structure tension and release in a performance.
unfortunately, i said U2 for the same reason you say REM.
for about a 10-year stretch, REM was tops. i hated that they got popular.
i hate it when anything i like gets popular.
Queen. The Who. The Doors... Limp Bizkit. All the mainstream music of today.
Freakshow
03-26-02, 11:17 AM
Disagree with most.
Winger? Sure, they were cheesy hair metal. BUT, the singer played in Alice Cooper, is an accomplished session musician, and is now a pretty damn acoustic guy...I would say they were one of the MOST talented 80's bands.
Limp Bizkit? Yeah...they are basically shit.
Queen? WTF? Ever listened to A Night at the Opera? Those guys deserved all the attention they got. If anything they were UNDER rated.
Springsteen? Agreed.
Bon Jovi? Consistent songwriting duo. For almost 20 years.
Zeppelin? While a lot of their stuff is mediocre...I'd have to say that they were extremely influential on the today's musicians.
I still think Hendrix is horrible.
I never understood the fascination with U2. I don't hear anything but awful guitar. I HATE that sound. High pitched strumming. Chinga chinga chinga chinga...
..."the Who, the Doors"...
wtf, over
:smash:
i was gonna say... reb, to each his own....but i am with you on that! WTF? :hammer:
meatpile
03-26-02, 07:01 PM
BON JOVI
CREED
Stone Temple Pilots *don't deserve caps*
PEARL JAM - admit it, it's true.
meatpile
03-26-02, 07:02 PM
BOSTON *sorry i forgot them*
HEY MEAT, love the pic ! LOL
The Byrds, Truck Stop Girl
Originally posted by Reb
..."the Who, the Doors"...
wtf, over
:smash:
I'm sorry man, I could never get into them. Now If a song by Queen or the Who come on the radio I won't purposely change the station, Their songs are tolerable, but I HATE The Doors and Limp Bizkit.
How some people confuse a drunken stupor with genius , I'll never know.
Originally posted by meatpile
PEARL JAM - admit it, it's true.
Blasphemy...
Originally posted by meatpile
BOSTON *sorry i forgot them*
Heh, I remember jamming to Peice of Mind in the 7th grade. I still kinda like Foreplay/Longtime.
Bad Company is one of the reasons I hate listening to Classic Rock Radio.
Gotta agree with reb, Afro. WTF? Morrison rocks. Doing what he did in a drunken stupor, well, that makes me respect him all the more. He could have sounded like Lumpy Bisquites or whatever.
I know, I know. I had a friend of mine, who was the biggest Doors fan, constantly gave me shit for slamming the Doors. It used to cause alot of tention. Like when people argue over religion...funny as hell though... :D
Everyone has their own tastes...I think Freak is out of his mind for thinking Jimi is overrated, but that's just his thing, I guess.
SilverSurfer
03-27-02, 12:45 PM
Originally posted by AfroSmurf
Everyone has their own tastes...I think Freak is out of his mind for thinking Jimi is overrated, but that's just his thing, I guess.
I thought Hendrix was overrated, but that's just me. I guess what I should have said is I hated his music - maybe as far as influence goes he was good, but I couldn't stand listening to him.
I never could understand the Zeppelin craze either.
jazzredcat
03-27-02, 09:41 PM
I saw Hendrix on Johnny Carson one night. He was absolutely
swacked out of his gourd; he had no cool whatsoever.
Anyhow, I really enjoyed The Experience recording.
But that goddam Robert Plant....damn, I'd be embarassed to get up there and sound like that.:wasted:
Y2Buddy
03-28-02, 02:08 AM
Black Crows-they SUCK!
Actually, it was in Charlotte. They opened for ZZ Top the first of a 2 night concert. They were fired by ZZ Top and never made it to the second night.
Ofcourse it had a little to with that "commercial free" rock-n-roll comment with that big ass Budweiser banner hanging over the stage, but if they we're any good, it would have been overlooked.
Superfluous_Nut
03-28-02, 05:51 AM
Hands down, it's the beatles. I'm sure people think I'm going straight to hell, but if you take the music as is without getting into "influence" or anything, it's all varies from decent to great... BUT so many folks go off the deep end if you don't agree they're the absolute pinacle of music, which I don't think they are.
Pearl Jam doesn't get enough hype to be over-rated.
Nobody's fooled by limp bizkit -- they're all hype. Anybody that thinks they're actually talented is insane.
Jimi Hendrix died early enough into his career that people projected where he might go and sorta gave it to him. When I was a kid and everything was hyperbole, Jimi Hendix = Greatest guitar player ever. See beatles above.
Personally, I never got Van Halen, but oh well.
Motorhead confuse me. They don't get much hype at all, but then, the music sucks. Again, they're influential and all, but damn. Considering the number of times I see Lemmy's moley face, they oughta have a good song or two.
The Ramones. I guess I just don't get it or something. Again not the most popular band, but I could name 100 bands that are far better that nobody has ever heard of.
Hey, this is fun!
You only count the Crows because you didn't see the god awful band that replaced them on that tour. I forget the name of that band, but they sucked.
I never got into Van Halen either that much.
QueenCityHillbilly
03-28-02, 07:41 AM
Huey Lewis. Hands down the worst musician and singer in the history of music.
Superfluous_Nut
03-28-02, 02:39 PM
I don't get the Grateful Dead and I certainly don't get Phish. Not exactly over rated from the popularity standpoint, but more from the rabidity of fans.
They are cult bands. Cult bands are not supposed to be universally liked, they appeal to a certain niche. That niche will therefore be rabid. Jambands appeal of course to those with hipple asthetic, but also those who enjoy a certain jazz oriented approach to improv in their rock and roll. Me, I think Phish is too popular now. I hate having to fight and scratch to get tickets.
Y2Buddy
03-28-02, 08:32 PM
Beatles? WTF? wow
Huey Lewis.... I like him though. I saw that concert in '85 and I thought they we're a tight band. Especially the sax. They never did a whole lot after that, but I had a great time.
Has anybody seen the movie Huey was in? Duets. Pretty funny actually, about karaoke. And the chick that plays Hueys daughter, I forget her name, she is so hot and she can flat out sing. It's not all about Huey though, he just plays a part, but the whole thing is funny.
There's this one scene at the beginning when he hustles this guy at a karaoke bar, I LMAO.
GD. Well, I can't get into all their stuff, but I think they do other peoples songs the greatest. I've only seen them 4 times, and each was it's own adventure.
yeah, i have. you know he and gwenyth paltrow sang in that movie. paltrow's dad wrote and directed that. i read that somewhere. g. paltrow can sing! "cruisin together" was the song. :D
Superfluous_Nut
03-28-02, 09:14 PM
Originally posted by Y2Buddy
Beatles? WTF? wow
you don't have to suck to be over-rated. the beatles are a great band, but I don't think they are hands down the greatest ever like so many folks do. I dare say, the music is a bit simplistic at times. good 4 minute pop songs, but nothing terribly compelling. they broke up before they could pull a rolling stones or aerosmith. pink floyd showed what could be done in that era.
jazzredcat
03-28-02, 09:20 PM
"Jimi Hendrix died early enough into his career that people projected where he might go and sorta gave it to him...."
I agree that this was the case. But, IMO, he got/deserves
the honor by default; there weren't any rock players at the
time playing as well as he was; e.g. neat/pleasant tone, while
still "rocking."
Superfluous_Nut
03-28-02, 09:32 PM
Originally posted by jazzredcat
"Jimi Hendrix died early enough into his career that people projected where he might go and sorta gave it to him...."
I agree that this was the case. But, IMO, he got/deserves
the honor by default; there weren't any rock players at the
time playing as well as he was; e.g. neat/pleasant tone, while
still "rocking."
Yeah... I wouldn't call him totally over-rated. But I grew up being told he was the icon of rock guitar greatness. Maybe it's lost on me in the age of guitar wizardry. And maybe his acheivements are lessened by the fact that others can so easily ellicit the same sounds from their guitars now that he's shown them the light. Also, I suspect a little more focus on his part would have made a ton of difference. But can you give somebody praise for their unattained potential rather than the fruits of their labor?
>>you don't have to suck to be over-rated.
That's my view, which is why I refrain from listing bands that make me hurl, like Bon Jovi or Poisen.
>>good 4 minute pop songs, but nothing terribly compelling.
True, though they did push the envelope on what you could do to make a 4 minute pop song compellng. Sgt. Pepper is overrated, but the White Albmun, Revolver and Abbey Road, doors just opened up for other bands to walk through with those songs. It doesn't get any weirder yet popish than "Everybody's Got Something to Hide But Me And My Monkey."
>>pink floyd showed what could be done in that era.
Yep. PATGOD was largely an extention of Sgt. Pepper, DSOTM related to Abbey Road in the way the songs were suegued together.
jazzredcat
03-29-02, 09:26 PM
".......But can you give somebody praise for their unattained potential rather than the fruits of their labor?"
I know what you're saying. But the answer to your question
(unless it was rhetorical) is a resounding yes! They're one and
the same.
That's what rock, and especially jazz is all about..IMO(?).
The journey is the results; e.g. getting there is being there.
PantherPaul
03-29-02, 10:24 PM
Sex Pistols. Johnny Rotten was just a spoiled bastard that needed his ass kicked. Same for Iggy Pop. Give me the Clash anyday.
Whoever said Clapton needs to step out and we can settle this peacefully. Yeah right a boot to the ass. Clapton is IMO the greatest guitarist PERIOD. With Stevie Ray Vaughn close behind.
I'll agree with the hair bands, Def Leppard, Poison, White Snake etc. Thank god they had their 15 minutes and left. But they could get some puusy :p
Tori Amos and Sarah McGlautlin (sp) never did anything along with Jefferson Airplane/Starship. Throw in Fleetwood Mac and especially Stevie Nicks. Saw them in concert and she was so stoned she fell off the stage.
>>Maybe it's lost on me in the age of guitar wizardry.
You have to realize what they were playing with then. Just a few years before, the audience was louder than the Beatles could make noise. Now here comes Jimmy with a stack of Marshall's. Today, they can get more, with any sort of sound you want, with much less.
I wasn't really impressed with Jimmy until after I heard his entire Woodstock live performance. Forget about the feedback and Star Spangled Banner. Jimmy had a lot of Miles Davis in him. He knew how to weave melody out of thin air.
The only thing that he didn't do, was play with a group of musicians that were his equal. Band of Gypsies was an effort in that part, but he was still the star, they were just a tight backing band. I'd like to have heard him playing with Cream or something of that sort. That's what seperates Clapton from Jimmy, Clapton sought out musicians of a high caliber to play with, and they rubbed off on him.
damn, piper! helluva thoughtful insight!!! couldn't have said it any better! you had to be there to know what a fine guitarist jimmy page is. (shit, did i just give my age away?) heh heh heh... :p
dudes: bb king is a helluva guitarist as well, IMO. let's not be remiss. then again, so is lee ritneour! that's a different ball of wax, tho. :D
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the main thing...The Main Thing about Hendrix and all the other original electric guitar Rockers is that they had no one to go by except bluesmen, Elvis and Jerry Lee Lewis. Not much to go on. THEY set the standard. THEY were the inspired ones. Everything after in Rock sound was a variation on this explosion of creativity in the mid Sixties.
Take SRV , I wonder if not for the inspiration of Hendrix where his guitar playing would have been.
There are a lot of people that can play like Clapton. But only HE is called Slowhand.
A lot of other people were inovators that really don't get the credit they deserve like Jeff Beck.
:cool:
I think musicians know what Beck's influence is, but he was never a front man, so the public at large was oblivious.
And he never really joined with that sort of personality, partly because he is an asshole. When he played on Roger Water's solo record, I wondered how they refrained from killing one another.
I think your largely right on Clapton and Hendrix. They came up with this shit.
You have inspired me to add to the underrated artists, Reb.
Maybe not MOST overrated but they got a lot more print than I would have given them is Jefferson Airplane. They were in San Francisco at the right time.
Psychedelic man.:split:
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