View Full Version : Who will be the 12th ACC School ? ?
This is going to sound crazy, but what about Memphis ? ? ? ? Its a good sized TV market and it would get them into the state of TN for the first time . . . Only bad thing is they are kinda out of the way from the rest of the conference schools and they are in the Central Time Zone . . . Their football program is decent and their hoops program would fianlly have to play with the big boys (show that you are big time or shut up :D :D !!!!!)
vpkozel
06-25-03, 02:52 PM
Putt says UConn, and until Putt is proven wrong, I'm going with what he says.
That was under the assumption the ACC was going to go up to 14 teams (UConn, VT, Syracuse, BC) . . . Now that's changed, is UConn still going to get in? I'm not sure about that . . . The ACC wants to stay with its Southern Roots bringing in VT & Miami now . . .
smashmouth5
06-25-03, 03:28 PM
How about the Gardner Webb University Bulldogs in lovely Boiling Springs NC? :D
vpkozel
06-25-03, 03:37 PM
Originally posted by sds70
That was under the assumption the ACC was going to go up to 14 teams (UConn, VT, Syracuse, BC) . . . Now that's changed, is UConn still going to get in? I'm not sure about that . . . The ACC wants to stay with its Southern Roots bringing in VT & Miami now . . .
Nope, Putt told me Friday that UConn would be the 12th team. And that was before this announcement. Putt knows what he's talking about.
imking4aday
06-25-03, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by vpkozel
Nope, Putt told me Friday that UConn would be the 12th team. And that was before this announcement. Putt knows what he's talking about.
seems to be the only one that fits...basketball is good, but football sux
I remember what Putt said also :) . . . I'm just saying why would UConn join a league where the other 11 teams are in the South? It would be a reverse of why Miami is joining the ACC now; They want to reduce their travel costs . . .
Lee Corso just said on FNZ's PRIMETIME that Pittsburgh S-H-O-U-L-D be the 12th ACC team . . They would get a foothold in the Pittsburgh TV market and open up the door to recruiting in Pennsylvania . .
PantherPaul
06-25-03, 04:39 PM
West Virginia
WVa, Pitt, Marshall would all be better than UConn or BC. Syracuse would be interesting as well.
The ACC has no ties to keep southern-only teams. You're thinking of the SEC.
Big Mark
06-25-03, 04:46 PM
UF
SportsNC
06-25-03, 05:00 PM
Prior to last nights actions, UConn was being considered heavily, along with Pitt, as the 14th team in the "add Miami, VTech, BC and Syracuse" scenario.
Because of what happened last night, expansion to the NE is a very long shot at best.
Another team that no one has mentioned was also considered as the 14th team and is now being discussed as a possible 12th sometime in the undetermined future. Its a fine academic institution that better fits the current geography.
SportsNC
SportsNC
06-25-03, 05:01 PM
Just a random thought...
I currently have a 2.0mhz Pentium but my first home computer was a Commodore. What did you guys break into Home computing with?
SportsNC
TOTALPACKAGE
06-25-03, 05:02 PM
ECU
:rolleyes:
Originally posted by SportsNC
Just a random thought...
I currently have a 2.0mhz Pentium but my first home computer was a Commodore. What did you guys break into Home computing with?
SportsNC
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Hoopsradio
06-25-03, 05:14 PM
My darkhorse...
Central Florida... they are already travelling to Florida twice anyway, and it would help the divisions. UCF is an up and coming program that would love to play with the Big Boys. UCF will be in a big conference before 2010. If the ACC wants to go with an up and comer, UCF is the way to go. Otherwise, Pitt is a good choice that has new facilites for its big sports (but geographically does not work and neither does Notre Dame, BC, Syracuse, UConn and the like.) They may be down to NC Wesleyan (starts football this year) or an ECU (though UNC and NCSU would never let that happen) before it's all over.
I am not sure at this point how they split up divisions if they add a 12th team... from NC and up you have UVA, VT, MD, UNC, NSCU, Duke and WF. Who gets left out? Geographically, I would guess WF, but any of the tobacco road schools would moan because you are splitting up history in basketball (and a potential home and home)
At least if you add a team from further south than the state of NC you get that team, plus Clemson, GT, Miami and FSU (what a football division that would be, huh?). You can't very well put VT in that division and say a UCF because Va. Tech would probably not get to play Virginia sometimes in some sports and you don't want to break up in-state rivals. If you move Maryland to the South, then you lose those great basketball games against NC schools.
The ACC has some serious juggling to do yet (hope they have a plan behind closed doors).
batgrafix
06-25-03, 05:18 PM
I'd like to see maybe Louisville or ECU as the 12th team... since the CUSA is pretty much destined to be broken up.
Nah it 's not going to be uconn, theyare the reason for the lawsuit in the first place. Acc will pick up some other twinkie southern school so the rest of the members only have to lose to UM.
Originally posted by SportsNC
Prior to last nights actions, UConn was being considered heavily, along with Pitt, as the 14th team in the "add Miami, VTech, BC and Syracuse" scenario.
Because of what happened last night, expansion to the NE is a very long shot at best.
Another team that no one has mentioned was also considered as the 14th team and is now being discussed as a possible 12th sometime in the undetermined future. Its a fine academic institution that better fits the current geography.
SportsNC
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm WVU? Marshall? ECU?
luchadore
06-26-03, 12:30 AM
I would like to see Notre Dame join the ACC
PantherPaul
06-26-03, 06:33 AM
Sportng News Radio is pimping Louisville as the 12th school. When the Big East goes shopping for teams to fill the spots who would you rather choose if you were Louisville. A corpse conference like the Big East or the ACC. VaTech and Miami give the ACC a lot more football credability while the prospects of Coach K, Roy Williams, Rick Pitino and Gary Williams all patrolling the sidelines in basketball makes them EASILY the best league in NCAA basketball
I like Louisville as our 12th team. I would also not mind seeing South Carolina come back. They have a nice football rivalry with Clemson.
Originally posted by luchadore
I would like to see Notre Dame join the ACC
After there ass spanking from the Pack in the Gator Bowl they might just join to try for redemtion.... But you know the Pack is going to lay a good ol' southern whoopin' on anybody this year.. Bring on anyone.. Ohio St. on Sept. 13th..... Pack will walk all over 'em.
For the final time, USC will not be coming back to the ACC and Norte Dame will not be joining the ACC :D :D !!!!!
Originally posted by sds70
For the final time, USC will not be coming back to the ACC and Norte Dame will not be joining the ACC :D :D !!!!!
I wouldn't be so sure there sds.... You never know..
NovaNiner
06-26-03, 02:00 PM
Pitt if ND doesn't accept.
SportsNC
06-26-03, 02:10 PM
Originally posted by sds70
For the final time, USC will not be coming back to the ACC and Norte Dame will not be joining the ACC :D :D !!!!!
You first statement is 100% true at the present time. Your second statement has around an 85% chance of being true.
Feelers have been sent out to ND and they have been in contact with the league. Not likely to happen but it is out there.
I do know of one school that has contacted the league...I mentioned it in a another thread, and there is interest on both sides. This has around a 40% chance of happening. I wish I could give out the name but I can't.
BTW, I really did like my old Commodore computer. It was fun for what it was and fit in nicely with my office at the time.
SportsNC
Your second statement has around an 85% chance of being true.
link
The Brain
06-26-03, 02:53 PM
Louisville, West Virginia, Notre Dame have got the be the 3 front runners for a possible 12th team
SportsNC
06-26-03, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by DaveW
Your second statement has around an 85% chance of being true.
link
here's two:
http://www.ajc.com/sports/content/sports/0603/26tony.html
http://www.charlotte.com/mld/charlotte/sports/colleges/6174966.htm
here's another:
http://www.raycomsports.com/Global/story.asp?S=157722&nav=112q15Nu
:anon:
Originally posted by SportsNC
I do know of one school that has contacted the league...I mentioned it in a another thread, and there is interest on both sides. This has around a 40% chance of happening. I wish I could give out the name but I can't.
BTW, I really did like my old Commodore computer. It was fun for what it was and fit in nicely with my office at the time.
Is there any particular reason this thread has digressed to discusses Commodores? Are your trying to tell us there may be a private school in a big conference that may be happier in a conference with some other private schools?
Could be. I don't know how the ACC would benefit though. Vandy sucks in all the men's sports, I think.
Miss tery
06-26-03, 03:03 PM
Tennessee!
The link that suggested that Kentucky is a possibility was a bit of an eyebrow raiser.
SportsNC
06-26-03, 03:22 PM
Tons of stuff is flying aound that makes sense, makes some sense and some that is just made up. Under current circumstances don't look for another fulltime Big East school to be the 12th. That horse looks dead right now.
From my understanding, certain Presidents/Chancellors feel they have given enough on the athletic side of the expansion equation and are looking at a good academic partner for the Conference in return.
Certain private institutions meet the academic profile, while weak in athletics, and remain in an expanded "geographic footprint" that is culturally similar to the present configuration. Another private instution, while outside of the footprint, meets the academic end while giving a bonus of a solid athletic program.
As has been seen in the past 6 weeks, the situation changes almost daily. Right now, it looks like the University heads and not the Conference office are setting the future direction. It could be an interesting ride over the next year.
Originally posted by Miss tery
Tennessee!
:soda:
>>From my understanding, certain Presidents/Chancellors feel they have given enough on the athletic side of the expansion equation and are looking at a good academic partner for the Conference in return.
Man, this thread just gets funnier.
SEC might pay you to take Vandy though.
SportsNC
06-26-03, 03:40 PM
Originally posted by Piper
Man, this thread just gets funnier.
SEC might pay you to take Vandy though.
No argument there. The whole thing has been a comedy of errors on all sides. Why should it change now?
Originally posted by SportsNC
Tons of stuff is flying aound that makes sense, makes some sense and some that is just made up. Under current circumstances don't look for another fulltime Big East school to be the 12th. That horse looks dead right now.
From my understanding, certain Presidents/Chancellors feel they have given enough on the athletic side of the expansion equation and are looking at a good academic partner for the Conference in return.
Certain private institutions meet the academic profile, while weak in athletics, and remain in an expanded "geographic footprint" that is culturally similar to the present configuration. Another private instution, while outside of the footprint, meets the academic end while giving a bonus of a solid athletic program.
As has been seen in the past 6 weeks, the situation changes almost daily. Right now, it looks like the University heads and not the Conference office are setting the future direction. It could be an interesting ride over the next year.
Let's just use Vandy as an example. What does the ACC gain by adding them? I guess my real question is why do they need 12 teams? That just cuts the ACC basketball tournament money (and tickets) down more. That was Duke and UNC's objection all along, I think.
It may be easy to get the rule changed for a chmpionship game. The Big 10 and Pac 10 would probalby support it. I read yesterday the Big 12 would too. Maybe the Big East, if it makes them feel better against future raids.
I also don't see why you need even divisions. I'm not even sure you need divisions. Have certain rivalry teams always play each other and rotate the rest of the schedule. That's what the Big 10 does. Take the top 2 for the championship, even if they've already played.
Same in BB.
Look at it another way. Davidson is very high academically. No one is going to admit them into the ACC though. That may be an extreme example, since they're little bitty, and Vandy is a reasonable size university.
I realize all this is hard to predict. You have to know the minds of 7 chancellors/presidents. And they trade off and do compromises. All these people have political skills or they wouldnt be where they are.
The whole thing will be very interesting.
Do you know which schools are pushing for this academically better school, whoever it is?
>>and are looking at a good academic partner
at least we don't have to worry about it being ECU now.
SportsNC
06-26-03, 08:53 PM
Originally posted by lde
I realize all this is hard to predict. You have to know the minds of 7 chancellors/presidents. And they trade off and do compromises. All these people have political skills or they wouldnt be where they are.
The whole thing will be very interesting.
Do you know which schools are pushing for this academically better school, whoever it is?
Predict what's going to happen? Never a clue especially after today's Miami presser. This is beyond figuring out. I only know what I've been told and that changes daily if not hourly. LOL!
The 11 team scenario was never discussed until Wednesday night. The conference office had worked out schedules/divisional breakdowns for 10, 12, 13 and 14 scenarios but not 11. Going into that meeting the odds were that it would just be a "Miami only" scenario or a 14 team scenario with BC, 'Cuse, Miami, Va Tech & a team to be named later. The 14 team scenario was discussed during the previous meeting with a "straw poll" vote done on potential 14th teams. At that time there was no support for WVU, ECU or many of the other schools listed. ND has always been on the radar screen but its always been a faint blip and remains so.
Duke and UNC got to NCSU's Fox and she came up with the "geographic footprint" objections at that time. The compromise was worked out with the Va Tech/Miami vote. I have a feeling that the ND scenario would be enough of a carrot to drop the "geography" argument.
When you look at the academic end, look at the schools opposing the entire expansion and also schools that are similar to other small private southern universities.
I have more than a fan's interest in this. My career and future are greatly impacted by what happens. I hope it doesn't get screwed up any more than it already has but the fallout from what has already occured is going to damage or end more than one career of those involved.
Geographically speaking:
Navy, Central Florida, Georgia Southern, East Carolina
Realistically:
Louisville, Notre Dame, Pittsburgh.
Ideal:
Swap Clemson for USC in SEC
Add Va Tech to SEC
Add Louisville to SEC
Add Miami to ACC
Add Pittsburgh to ACC
Add Navy to ACC
Merge the Big East and Conference USA.
VT and Miami bring nothing to ACC basketball,
They would have to bring in a school that excel in both basketball and football...
I'd say Miami's not too shabby at basketball. Nothing perfect, but they've been top 25 a number of times, and a better basketball conference would probably have them bringing in better national prospects. VT, not so much, no.
Big Mark
06-27-03, 12:09 AM
I think it's up in the air between Davidson and Catawba with Lenoir-Rhyne a long shot (but sentimental favorite).
SandMan
06-27-03, 08:51 AM
To me 11 teams is stupid - go to 12 or stop at 10... I hate play in games or should I say "The FSU Invitational" :D (basketball)
The Brain
06-27-03, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by SandMan
To me 11 teams is stupid - go to 12 or stop at 10... I hate play in games or should I say "The FSU Invitational" :D (basketball) there will more than one play in game if they go to 12 teams... there has to be the numbers don't match up right to form a proper bracket... so reardless not only will you still have a play in game, but you will have more than one.
Notre Dame would be solid
T_Schroll
06-27-03, 11:48 AM
the bracket is easy enough with 12 teams. Top four get a first round bye, the other eight play.
5/12 winner plays 4
6/11 winner plays 3
7/10 winner plays 2
8/9 winner plays 1
Originally posted by SportsNC
When you look at the academic end, look at the schools opposing the entire expansion and also schools that are similar to other small private southern universities.
Wake Forest may have a marginally competitive football team, but it will be hard for them to stay that way year in and year out. It would be good for them.
Duke is easy to figure. They would like an opponent for football (although they almost competed in several games). Plus pushing a school such as Vandy at least gives them a variation on the don't water down the basketball anymore theme. Its hard to keep saying the same thing all the time in a political setting. Once an argument's been rejected, the others don't want to hear it anymore.
Originally posted by magnus
I'd say Miami's not too shabby at basketball. Nothing perfect, but they've been top 25 a number of times, and a better basketball conference would probably have them bringing in better national prospects. VT, not so much, no.
Va Tech is a one sport school, I think. That's why there was no interest in them except for the Governor of Virginia strongarming the President of U Va. Frankly, I'm glad they're coming though. I like football, and I think ACC football is mostly boring. There are alot of Va Tech alumns around, and their football is exciting. With a greater local spotlight on their deficiencies, their other programs will probably come up some.
Originally posted by SandMan
To me 11 teams is stupid - go to 12 or stop at 10... I hate play in games or should I say "The FSU Invitational" :D (basketball)
guess again.
with the no. 1 recruiting class in the country, you're going DOWN.
miami is a very good baseball club, too.
plus strong in tennis and golf.
the acc is much stronger with these two.
the 12th team is a given -- it will happen.
USC-IPTF
06-29-03, 10:29 PM
yes 12 teams will happen. and it has to happen before 2005, but i bet the acc won't make anymore waves until the dust settles on this round of expansion. if miami accepts, i think they'll just chill out for a while. miami might decline though or they might say they'll only come with syracuse or something. who knows what's in donna and bill's heads down at miama?
2 teams that AINT comin': notre dame and south carolina
2 teams that won't be invited so they shouldn't waste their time asking: east carolina, central florida.
ucf is a commuter school pretty much. both ecu and ucf have a LONG way to go before having the type of facilities and the size of athletic departments it would take to compete in the acc.
some don't like vt joining the acc but i love it. i think they fit in w/the acc great. they might not have the bball or baseball or some other sports yet, but just being in the acc will improve vt's athletic department greatly. think about all the athletes in virginia that will now give vt a look that previously wouldn't give them a second look because there is no baseball in the big east...and as for bball, no virginia kid grows up wanting to play big east bball. being in the acc will be huge for vt bball. give them a few years and they'll be decent i think.
FreakOnA_Leash
06-29-03, 10:39 PM
both ecu and ucf have a LONG way to go before having the type of facilities and the size of athletic departments it would take to compete in the acc.
Are you kidding me??? No one in NC has a Strength and conditioning building like this:
FreakOnA_Leash
06-29-03, 10:41 PM
Our stadium seats 43000+, and we also tend to fill it. Which is more than I can say for Wake, UNC or Duke.
FreakOnA_Leash
06-29-03, 10:43 PM
our Basketball arena was just new renovated. Though this is not a strong sport for ECU, but they are getting better....slowly. Hey they did beat a final four team last year!
FreakOnA_Leash
06-29-03, 10:46 PM
this is the new proposed baseball stadium. Our baseball team has made it to post season play for the last five years straight, and 12 out of the last 20.
FreakOnA_Leash
06-29-03, 10:52 PM
However, I don't think we have a chance in hell of going into the ACC. Their athletics are not the reason why! I think the fact that there are already 4 other NC teams in it now, no one would want a 5th.
USC-IPTF
06-29-03, 10:57 PM
"Our stadium seats 43000+, and we also tend to fill it." <----woah baby 43k holy sh*t dude!!!
freak, i would LOVE to see ecu in the acc but it ain't gonna happen...like you say, the other schools would smartly vote it down. ecu just wouldn't bring anything to the acc.
FreakOnA_Leash
06-29-03, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by USC-IPTF
"Our stadium seats 43000+, and we also tend to fill it." <----woah baby 43k holy sh*t dude!!!
freak, i would LOVE to see ecu in the acc but it ain't gonna happen...like you say, the other schools would smartly vote it down. ecu just wouldn't bring anything to the acc.
Hey I know it ain't SEC caliber, but hey for the simple fact we weren't a Division 1 school till the late 70- early 80's that ain't too bad. Hey the three schools I mentioned have even less, and their opponents normally fill more of the stand than they do.
Miss tery
07-01-03, 09:26 PM
ND
negoshe8er
07-02-03, 11:57 AM
I'd like to see ECU join the league, but I know Notre Dame is far more appealing to the league. I've also heard rumors of Kentucky for basketball reasons.
I'd be suprised by any of the schools mentioned.
The teams have to have a reason to move over. The reason for Miami and VT moving over if obvious. They can make more money. Would Notre Dame make more money in the ACC?
Right now, Notre Dame has their own TV contract, can make their own indepedent schedule. They are a cash cow. The Big East is still a very strong basketball conference, so I don't see them paying to get out of that just not to be an independent. The ACC can plant all the advisors they want, I just don't see them accepting. If they wanted to guarantee a BCS berth, they'd just accept the open invitation to the Big East. With ND in the fold, the Big East would keep the BCS bid, since ND would likely be in the BCS fold every year as Big East Champion.
Louiville. They've already said yes to the Big East, and the Big East hasn't even asked. Plus, their grad rate is low, and a lot of ACC teams are put off by that, as PP said. I think they are Big East bound for the 2004 season, as I don't think either the Cards or the ACC is really interested in seeing them join the ACC.
Kentucky. They would never make as much money in the ACC as they do now in the SEC. Travel costs would be higher, they'd have to pay a hefty fine to leave, no natural rivalries in the ACC, and the SEC already has all the things the ACC is trying to build.
The Brain
07-02-03, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by Piper
I'd be suprised by any of the schools mentioned.
The teams have to have a reason to move over. The reason for Miami and VT moving over if obvious. They can make more money. Would Notre Dame make more money in the ACC?
Right now, Notre Dame has their own TV contract, can make their own indepedent schedule. They are a cash cow. The Big East is still a very strong basketball conference, so I don't see them paying to get out of that just not to be an independent. The ACC can plant all the advisors they want, I just don't see them accepting. If they wanted to guarantee a BCS berth, they'd just accept the open invitation to the Big East. With ND in the fold, the Big East would keep the BCS bid, since ND would likely be in the BCS fold every year as Big East Champion.(I'm copying and pasting this from where I posted it elsewhere)
the BCS is going to be reevaluated in 2005... that was gonna happen one way or another... and if that happens Notre Dame will probably lose its BCS exemption... which means if they want a SURE BCS shot they'll have to go to a conference... their choices are limited really to the Big 10 or the ACC... I'm thinking that they've already been checking out the ACC with the help of NCSU's Mary Anne Fox... I think her involvement will play into this big time... she's a possible vote needed to allow ND to join on BOTH sides... plus she's already that inside voice that can talk with friends on the inside and convince them to go... travel wise its not their best option, but in the end it will bring the most money... the number 2 option is Louisville and if Notre Dame says no I have a feeling Louisville would say yes... if Louisville joined the ACC that's be another kick in the jimmy to the Big East
The Brain
07-02-03, 01:26 PM
Originally posted by Piper
Louiville. They've already said yes to the Big East, and the Big East hasn't even asked. Plus, their grad rate is low, and a lot of ACC teams are put off by that, as PP said. I think they are Big East bound for the 2004 season, as I don't think either the Cards or the ACC is really interested in seeing them join the ACC.Clemson's grad rate is 25% Louisville's is MUCH better than that... I believe around 46%
Miss tery
07-04-03, 10:26 AM
Kentucky
Hoopsradio
07-04-03, 06:56 PM
Going back a ways in this thread... the fact that Duke and Carolina and NC St. might be mad about basketball tournament tickets is a ridiculous argument. This is and always will be about a Football Championship game. That additional money is the only thing the ACC is going after right now. They add three teams but split a larger pool of money in TV contract and conference championship game. It is for this reason that the SEC (see: highest payouts to schools for any conference) does not have to worry about its schools leaving for the ACC. Any school that jumps ship from there is dumb because they leave the most money already.
Since what I have heard also meshes with what the Brain said about Notre Dame going to have to join a league in football, I cannot see why the Big 10 (see: Big 11) doesn't grab them and start their own football championship. It would be the big one in my opinon. That conference and the Big 12 are the best two in my opinion in football and a championship game in that league with schools that care about football would be the big one.
The ACC must like Notre Dame as far as academics goes, but if Syracure and BC are too far to travel, then so is South Bend, Indiana.
East Carolina is a little brother in the eyes of the NC ACC schools and for that reason ECU will not make it in. It's a bit of a shame, but they can be a little snoody in the ACC.
When you look at the new geographical landscape of the ACC, they have expanded further south with Miami and no further North with Va Tach. It just makes too much sense to pick up a team in the Southeast to keep costs down and revenues up. They will probably take a long look at what the Southest has to offer. I still like UCF and I am hearing more talk abotu South Florida out of Conf. USA. Granted, they have to make some strides, but we're talking about playing in the league two years from now... they have time to make this happen. Think of the money that would pour in if a school felt like an invitation was looming. I know I just said the ACC is snoody, but they would make a big mistake to miss out on a great opportunity in this critical time in the conference's history.
The ACC wants to stay away from scandal so UK is out (too recent with their investigation).
45catfan
07-05-03, 04:19 AM
I'm going with what Da*man suggested and say the Naval Acadamy as the 12th ACC school. In football I believe they are still an independent. They are located in Maryland, so treks further north are not warrented as in the instance another Big East college becomes the potential target. Duke and UNC will be enthusiastic about the graduation rate Navy has. Duke will actually have someone to compete against in football for the first time since the Spurrier era. Besides, do you guys actually think that any other conference that already has 12+ teams like the SEC is going let the ACC raid them like the Big East? Likewise, the Big East will not allow any more teams defect to the ACC.
Competiton from Navy will not be that good anytime soon... maybe ever in football, but every so often they form a respectable hoops squad. Out of fairness to the existing members of the ACC and other conferences, it would not behoove the ACC to notch another perennial top 25 program in football like Notre Dame. That undermines the history of the schools that have been in this conference these 50+ years. There has to be some sense of tradition remaining after the shake up among the core group of schools. It makes sense, however, that the 'loner' schools (sole state ACC represetation) have some intrastate rivalries that the North Carolina schools have been fortunate enough to encounter. Some examples: FSU/Miami, Virginia/Virginia Tech, Maryland/Navy. Having been to Clemson, the closest thing they have to a rival is in Gorgia Tech... nothing changes there. Besides, as most people are aware of, neither USC nor UGA are going to defect from the SEC, so all bets are off there and besides, both states are lacking another 'major' DIV I school to fill that void.
For the stated reasons, I think the Naval acadamy would be a logical choice for the 12th ACC school.
The Brain
07-05-03, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by 45catfan
I'm going with what Da*man suggested and say the Naval Acadamy as the 12th ACC school. In football I believe they are still an independent. They are located in Maryland, so treks further north are not warrented as in the instance another Big East college becomes the potential target. Duke and UNC will be enthusiastic about the graduation rate Navy has. Duke will actually have someone to compete against in football for the first time since the Spurrier era. Besides, do you guys actually think that any other conference that already has 12+ teams like the SEC is going let the ACC raid them like the Big East? Likewise, the Big East will not allow any more teams defect to the ACC.
Competiton from Navy will not be that good anytime soon... maybe ever in football, but every so often they form a respectable hoops squad. Out of fairness to the existing members of the ACC and other conferences, it would not behoove the ACC to notch another perennial top 25 program in football like Notre Dame. That undermines the history of the schools that have been in this conference these 50+ years. There has to be some sense of tradition remaining after the shake up among the core group of schools. It makes sense, however, that the 'loner' schools (sole state ACC represetation) have some intrastate rivalries that the North Carolina schools have been fortunate enough to encounter. Some examples: FSU/Miami, Virginia/Virginia Tech, Maryland/Navy. Having been to Clemson, the closest thing they have to a rival is in Gorgia Tech... nothing changes there. Besides, as most people are aware of, neither USC nor UGA are going to defect from the SEC, so all bets are off there and besides, both states are lacking another 'major' DIV I school to fill that void.
For the stated reasons, I think the Naval acadamy would be a logical choice for the 12th ACC school. what kind of recruiting would navy bring to help the rest of the league? None. What kind of TV revenue? None. This isn't even a viable option.
45catfan
07-05-03, 04:45 PM
>>>>>what kind of recruiting would navy bring to help the rest of the league? None. What kind of TV revenue? None. This isn't even a viable option.
The Army / Navy game draws a nice sized T.V. audience. It has history even though both schools are not major football powers any longer. Many people watch it even if they have no ties to the military. Recruiting convenience due to locale is very outdated. Miami is a remote city being on the tip of an pennensula as they are and they have no problem getting kids from all over the country. It's about the program, not the geographical area anymore. Agian, UNC and Duke made concessions to let these 'athletics over academic' schools into the conference and they will not allow another 'jock' school in just to appease the FSUs, Clemsons, and NCSUs of the ACC.
Will Navy be considered? Probably not, but that because it makes good common sense and not sports superiority sense.
Section B
07-07-03, 09:22 PM
Florida!
They want Miami and FSU as conference rivals.
They want the basketball competition.
They want the "Olympic" sports improvements.
They want the "academics" - Wake Forest, Duke, Ga Tech, Miami, UNC, Maryland, NC State versus Mississippi, LSU, Arkansas, Mississippi State, USC, Alabama.
They want the THREE spots the ACC would provide in BCS!
Originally posted by Section B
Florida!
They want Miami and FSU as conference rivals.
They want the basketball competition.
They want the "Olympic" sports improvements.
They want the "academics" - Wake Forest, Duke, Ga Tech, Miami, UNC, Maryland, NC State versus Mississippi, LSU, Arkansas, Mississippi State, USC, Alabama.
They want the THREE spots the ACC would provide in BCS!
Actually, they hate playing Miami, but that's with a hard SEC schedule. I think the rivalries with Tenn and UGa beat what they would get with the ACC. They play Fla St anyway. I bet the SEC provides the Olympic sports too. I doubt anyone is leaving the SEC. Its the top sports conference in the country all around.
Trashman1962
07-09-03, 04:47 PM
Originally posted by lde
Actually, they hate playing Miami, but that's with a hard SEC schedule. I think the rivalries with Tenn and UGa beat what they would get with the ACC. They play Fla St anyway. I bet the SEC provides the Olympic sports too. I doubt anyone is leaving the SEC. Its the top sports conference in the country all around.
I would disagree that the SEC is the top sports conference. I don't have any stats handy so I could be wrong, but from my somewhat biased perspective......
Baseball: The ACC hands down best in the Country
Soccer: ACC over SEC, maybe not others
Golf: The ACC hands down best in the Country
Football: With Miami and Va. Tech, ACC is an equal to the SEC
Basketball: Some years SEC, but overall, comparable
I would be suprpised if the SEC can compare to the ACC in overall collegiate national championships and overall end of season ranked teams in each collection "olympic" sport. Maybe, but I would be surprised.
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