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The Brain
06-27-03, 11:09 AM
:rolleyes:

http://newsobserver.com/sports/story/2651363p-2458819c.html

ECU boosters push for ACC spot
By AL MYATT, Staff Writer


East Carolina officials and fans watched with interest the political process that resulted in Virginia Tech getting an invitation to join the Atlantic Coast Conference.
Now ECU supporters are mounting a grassroots effort encouraging elected officials in North Carolina to make a push for the Pirates.

"When people have contacted me regarding the possibility of the ACC, I've encouraged them to contact the governor and their legislators and encourage them to consider that alternative," ECU Chancellor William V. Muse said Thursday.

State Sen. Tony P. Moore, who represents a district that includes Pitt and Wilson counties, delivered a letter to Gov. Mike Easley on Thursday requesting the governor's support.

"I haven't heard any negatives on this from colleagues I've talked to," Moore said. "We'll see how the governor feels about this. We'd like to see the same support that the governor of Virginia provided for Virginia Tech. We're the third largest university in the state, and we would like to be considered."

Ernie Seneca, an Easley spokesman, acknowledged receipt of the letter from Moore but said, "The governor is focused on the budget right now, and we haven't heard from East Carolina officials on this matter."

Although the current expansion effort settled on Miami and the Hokies, there is speculation that the ACC eventually would want to grow to 12, which would qualify it under current NCAA rules to hold a football championship game.

Miami's hesitation Thursday to accept a bid before considering counter-proposals from the Big East, leaves its future with ACC uncertain until Monday.

State senate leader Marc Basnight, whose earlier efforts helped ECU schedule North Carolina and N.C. State in football, did not return calls to his office. Basnight's district includes eight eastern counties.

The ACC has two public universities in North Carolina in its current membership, UNC and NCSU, which would be in a position to leverage the expansion process for ECU as Virginia did for Virginia Tech.

UNC chancellor James Moeser voted against expansion, citing in part concerns about the additional travel that the originally proposed additions of Miami, Syracuse and Boston College would mean.

Muse, the ECU chancellor, noted that Thursday.

"North Carolina raised the issue of travel costs and time that student/athletes would be away from class," Muse said.

"ECU would be an ideal addition from that standpoint. There would clearly be major benefits for the state of North Carolina, tremendous benefits economically for the eastern portion of the state. There are a lot of reasons why state political leaders should take an interest."

ECU supporters contend that Virginia Tech's entry reduces arguments against the Pirates from the standpoint of its television market and men's basketball program. ECU beat the Hokies 76-60 in men's basketball last season. The Pirates also defeated Marquette, which reached the Final Four, 73-70.

As ACC expansion progressed, the possibility of a void in the Big East Conference that might accommodate the Pirates seemed likely and still appears to be a possible option for ECU. Muse said he wants the best competitive situation for the Pirates in all sports with an emphasis on access to the highest level of Division I-A football. Champions of the ACC and Big East have automatic berths in the financially rewarding bowl championship series, which runs through the 2005 season.

The champion of Conference USA, to which ECU belongs, does not get a BCS berth unless it finishes in the top six in the BCS standings. No C-USA team -- not even Tulane when it was unbeaten in 1998 -- has managed to do that.

"I have become aware through conversations in the expansion matter that the commissioners of Conference USA and the Big East have been in communication," Muse said. "If there are schools in Conference USA who want to be considered by the Big East, it is my understanding that there will provisions for this to be done in a deliberate and professional way."


Staff writer Al Myatt can be reached at 829-4556 or amyatt@newsobserver.com

DaveW
06-27-03, 11:12 AM
whats wrong with them wanting in?

The Brain
06-27-03, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by DaveW
whats wrong with them wanting in? nothing wrong in WANTING... hell Catawba WANTS in

DaveW
06-27-03, 11:19 AM
is ecu not worthy of consideration?

The Brain
06-27-03, 11:20 AM
Originally posted by DaveW
is ecu not worthy of consideration? if BC and Syracuse can't get in ECU doesn't stand a chance in hell... the ONLY thing they have going for them is their location... but there are other teams with similar locations with a LOT more upside

DaveW
06-27-03, 11:23 AM
location is what is killing them brainiac. if ecu was in virginia or south carolina they would have a good chance of getting in. just having 4 nc schools already is what hurts them.

Piper
06-27-03, 11:24 AM
BC and Syracuse didn't get in because of location and legal complications. ECU wouldn't have either of those problems.

Notre Dame is a pipe dream, and I don't think Pitt will come over either. Big East is non grata.

SandMan
06-27-03, 11:51 AM
UNCW has a better basketball program than EZU... :) Maybe they could convert their flag football team to Football - at least maybe they could compete with Duke. :)

Shocker
06-27-03, 12:14 PM
ACC looks like it will get Miami, so I could give a shit less who else comes with em. Just get the shit over with! :rolleyes:

magnus
06-27-03, 12:26 PM
Originally posted by Shocker
ACC looks like it will get Miami, so I could give a shit less who else comes with em. Just get the shit over with! :rolleyes:

agree, in the end team 12 won't matter so much either way.

ECU won't add much at all, though. Let's leave the CUSA raiding to other conferences.

pantherguy
06-27-03, 02:05 PM
Hey...don't slam ECU....They have and can compete with the ACC...

Not only have they shown that they can play with ACC teams...but other big football programs as well. As far as the basketball program...that is a product of its compitiion.

If they were in the ACC...they would compete just by the recruiting improvements involved..not to mention the ability to attract an even better coaching staff.

So slam ECU all you want....they are as good an addition as BC, VT, or Syracuse....on the field. Now if you want to talk about the location or tv money...then thats another story. But they have the facilities and they have the abiity to comppete.

BigVito
06-27-03, 02:33 PM
Originally posted by pantherguy
Hey...don't slam ECU....They have and can compete with the ACC...

So slam ECU all you want....they are as good an addition as BC, VT, or Syracuse....on the field.

Oh man, I just spewed soda all over my keyboard. ECU can't compete with the ACC anywhere except on the football field and then only every 4 or 5th year. Geez, Louise, Dude! You lost to DUKE!

How many Varsity sports does ECU even compete in? 16 or so? Not nearly enough, man. The only comparison is Va Tech and they are at least a consistent National top 10 football program. Hell, ECU is rarely in the Top 5 in NC. Hell, the Appys are more consistent!

ECU has come a long way academically and athletically the last 20 years, but you've got about 20 more to go to have a legit gripe about being in the ACC.

BV
has heard all the ECU whines for years. Ya got your Medical School that's enough!

magnus
06-27-03, 02:37 PM
everyone in Division I has adequate facilities. It's not a matter of that. ECU has a few steps up to go before it becomes part of a top conference - right now, in a mid-major type situation they're in the best hands for their needs. I'd rather have similar competition on a similar level than be Vandy.

It's not talking down ECU. I have no problems with ECU. But the end result is they don't have their programs where it should be.

BigVito
06-27-03, 02:47 PM
Magnus,

Thanks for saying in an intelligent, respectfull way what I was attempting to say. It's just that the soda burnt my nose and made me a bit grumpy.

BV
suffering from sizzling nostrils

FreakOnA_Leash
06-27-03, 03:55 PM
"Oh man, I just spewed soda all over my keyboard. ECU can't compete with the ACC anywhere except on the football field and then only every 4 or 5th year"

Are you kidding me? The past two years have been down, the previous 10 years prior the ACC couldn't come close. As far every other 4-5 year, cause thats how often you guys try to get brave and actually schedule ECU.

VT and ECU were equals on the football field until VT went into the Big East. When ECU gets into a "BSCS" (not a sp?) they could easily dominate the majority if not all of the ACC teams.

BigVito
06-27-03, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by FreakOnA_Leash
"Oh man, I just spewed soda all over my keyboard. ECU can't compete with the ACC anywhere except on the football field and then only every 4 or 5th year"


I stated you guys could compete with the ACC only on the football field. I stand by the every 4th or 5th year statement, too. When you guys are good, you're pretty good but still no better than 4th in the ACC even in the good years.

I'd love to see the Pirates become a national power. I'd love to see them in a major conference. The football program has potential, but believe it or not, there's more to being in a major conference than football.

I just don't think ECU is a good fit for the ACC right now. Call back in 15 years.

BV

pantherguy
06-27-03, 04:32 PM
You better look at what ECU has been doing in baseball as well.....and as far as basketball...no not right now...but anyone that can come into a major conference..especially the ACC...can get better players and coaches...and thats what its about....

As far as losing to Duke...that is one game...Listen...I remember ECU owning North Carolina in Football for years...

Obviously those of you...BigVito....don't know squat about ECU. Are you trying to tell me that Boston College is better?

You have to also remember...ECU has played quality teams for years....they have playes Miami, VT, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, State, UNC, ....etc....and have beaten them.

BigVito
06-27-03, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by pantherguy
Obviously those of you...BigVito....don't know squat about ECU. Are you trying to tell me that Boston College is better?

You have to also remember...ECU has played quality teams for years....they have playes Miami, VT, Syracuse, Pitt, West Virginia, State, UNC, ....etc....and have beaten them.


When you make a statement that So slam ECU all you want....they are as good an addition as BC, VT, or Syracuse....on the field. Well, you got a point. You are as good on the field as maybe BC, but you don't have the tradition of a BC or a 'Cuse. You don't have the recent record of success of a VT. You certainly don't bring anything to the table in off the field aspects. No new TV market and ECU does nothing to help in established ones, lower academic standards than the rest of the members, fewer quality athletic programs in non revenue sports, and that's just the basics. I'm not a big fan of VT joining but at least they add something.

Would I want my kid to go to ECU? Yep, no problem there, it's a fine instituion. It's just not the caliber YET to be an ACC school.

Nothing personal, just my opinion.

BV

VOR
06-27-03, 05:30 PM
Originally posted by The Brain
if BC and Syracuse can't get in ECU doesn't stand a chance in hell... the ONLY thing they have going for them is their location... but there are other teams with similar locations with a LOT more upside

bc and syracuse could be in tomorrow if they wanted to, the main stumbling block is the ACC paying off BE to end the lawsuit. ACC just stumbled into the wrong turf. As far as ECU getting in hell then they might as well as admit the rest of the unc athletic system and change the name of the conference to Carolina conference and the others.

negoshe8er
06-27-03, 05:31 PM
BV, sorry but ECU has proven over time they can compete on the field, on the diamond, and for a couple of years there, on the court too. The question is whether you can keep the students off the goal posts every time they beat a worthy opponent. :D I mean, first they have to act like they're used to winning before anyone will take them seriously. But it's well known that they travel well, which means alot to bowl committees.

I will agree that they must first become more established as an acedemic authority although they have improved their law and medical programs drastically. They need to grow up a little, then perhaps they would warrant the ACC's attention.

pantherguy
06-27-03, 07:28 PM
>>>The question is whether you can keep the students off the goal posts every time they beat a worthy opponent

I really don't like when people point that we tear down gaol posts...we are not the only college that has done that. As a matter of fact...i remember a game where NC State did the same thing.

To me...this is just a way of trying to negate what ECU has done on the field. Yes we tore down the goal post...and when I say "we"...i wasn't involved...when we beat Miami....yep...Miami in Raleigh. But what you might not realize...prior to the game, ECU had already purchased the goal posts in case that happened. We didn't invent the practice, I don't think its necessary to do after a win, and I think ECU bashers need to come up with something a bit more than..."they tore down goal posts"

By the way..I remember a few times that Franklin Street had a few riots after games.....

DaveW
06-27-03, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by negoshe8er
court too. The question is whether you can keep the students off the goal posts every time they beat a worthy opponent.

ncsu tears them down everytime they win

FreakOnA_Leash
06-28-03, 12:13 AM
Originally posted by DaveW


ncsu tears them down everytime they win



Other than last years pie schedule when did they start doing that? :D

wossa
06-28-03, 12:45 AM
Originally posted by pantherguy
As far as losing to Duke...that is one game...Listen...I remember ECU owning North Carolina in Football for years...



so exactly how much crack did you smoke before you "remembered" this?

UNC has played Least Carolina 9 times. The Heels have a record of 7-1-1 against the butt pirates.

please come back with more memories, I could use more laughter in my life. :lol2:

VOR
06-28-03, 12:51 AM
Originally posted by wossa


so exactly how much crack did you smoke before you "remembered" this?

UNC has played Least Carolina 9 times. The Heels have a record of 7-1-1 against the butt pirates.

please come back with more memories, I could use more laughter in my life. :lol2:

I think he remembers time ecu owned the football used in carolina. Imean geez ecu was added to the um schedule for a homecomming game opponent.

FreakOnA_Leash
06-28-03, 01:30 AM
Aw yes, home coming! I remember when Miami scheduled us for there home coming in 96:

"Marcus Crandell threw for 230 yards and three touchdowns and
East Carolina forced six turnovers in a surprisingly easy 31-6
victory over 12th-ranked Miami. "

Not to mention we beat them the last time we played them too and they were ranked 12th that year (1999).


I see nothing but positive coming out of this program in the future, we are finally rid of the slumping Logan. We have a new coach that seems to have all kinds of recruiting power. He has already brought in a Fla. transfer for the 2004 season at QB. Carolina finally has the guts to show up in G-Vegas after all these years. Things are looking up and anyone would be a fool to doubt that!!

DaveW
06-28-03, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by VOR


I think he remembers time ecu owned the football used in carolina. Imean geez ecu was added to the um schedule for a homecomming game opponent.


yeah...how'd that turn out?

VOR
06-28-03, 03:46 AM
Originally posted by DaveW



yeah...how'd that turn out?

well if memory serves me correctly usually um deomlished ecu but ecu has won one or two when um choose to party rather than play ball.

BigVito
06-28-03, 11:29 AM
ECU vs Proposed 11 ACC Teams

All-time
23 - 51 - 1 .318

Last 10 Years
6 - 10 .375

Overall Record Last 10 Years
64 - 52 .551


Good years in '96 & '99 when the Pirates went 5-0 vs ACC. Looks like they are due again soon on the 4 to 5 year plan.

BV
better living through statistics

pantherguy
06-28-03, 12:07 PM
>>>so exactly how much crack did you smoke before you "remembered" this?

UNC has played Least Carolina 9 times. The Heels have a record of 7-1-1 against the butt pirates.

please come back with more memories, I could use more laughter in my life

I wasn't talking about UNC..I was referring to the state of North Carolina....as we were the top program....

As that 7-1-1 record....if you had been brave enough to play us from 1991 to now...that record would be different ..wouldn't it?

BigVito
06-28-03, 12:17 PM
ECU vs Duke 4-5
Wake 2-3
UNC 1-7-1
NCSU 9-13

Yep, ECU owns the State of NC's Divison 1 teams.

BV