WHo are your All-Stars for 03

[PantherPaul]

Heres mine

NL

Catchers - Javy Lopez and Mike Lieberthal
1st Basemen - Todd Helton and Jim Thome
2nd Basemen - Marcus Giles and Jeff Kent
Short - Edgar Renteria and Rafeal Furcal
3rd Basemen - Mike Lowell and
Outfield - Andruw Jones, Albert Pujolus, Bobby Abreu


American League
Catcher - Posado and Hernandez (Oakland)
1st Basemen _Jason Giambi, Carlos DelGado
2nd basemen Alphonzo Soriano, Brett Boone
3rd Basemen Eric Chavez and Troy Glaus
Short - ARod, and Tejada
Outfield - Manny Ramirez, Juan Gonzelez, Rocco Baldelli
DH Frank Thomas

Pitching Staffs later

[smashmouth5]

NL
Catcher-Javy Lopez
1st base-Todd Helton
2nd Base-Marcus Giles
Shortstop-Rafael Furcal
3rd base-Mike Lowell
Outfield-Gary Sheffield
Albert Pujolus
Barry Bonds

AL
Catcher-Jason Varitek
1st base-Carlos Delgado
2nd base-Alphonsio Soriano
Shortstop-A Rod
3rd base-Troy Glaus
Outfield-Manny Ramirez
Tori Hunter
Ichiro Suzuki
DH-Carl Everret

[Franchise]

WHO CARES, its gonna be half the yankees and half the braves anyway, thats how it is every year, thats why baseball sucks most times. its funny how the braves have all these allstars but haven't won it in a long time. i dont see them winning this year either.

just for the record it would be retarded if Furcal got to go.

[PantherPaul]

Originally posted by Franchise
WHO CARES, its gonna be half the yankees and half the braves anyway, thats how it is every year, thats why baseball sucks most times. its funny how the braves have all these allstars but haven't won it in a long time. i dont see them winning this year either.

just for the record it would be retarded if Furcal got to go.

SS is pretty lean this year in the NL. Renteria IMO is the obvious starter. Of my Brave and Yankee choices who could you replace them with legitamately? Best teams generally have the best players and those go to the ALL Star game

[two-six]

Originally posted by Franchise
just for the record it would be retarded if Furcal got to go.

explain?

[two-six]

i don't have time for a list right now, maybe later? but PP, why no Sheffied in the outfield. Jones and Abreu over Sheff? I think he's in the MVP running and a surefire all-star.

[PantherPaul]

Yeah that name slipped my mind. Lets go Bonds, Sheffield, and Pujous <MVP

[Franchise]

Originally posted by CharPirates26


explain?

i think jimmy rollins is better

stats on both

furcal-293avg, 10hr,28rbi, 19errors,47 DP's-salary 2.2 mil
rollins- 266avg,4hr,35rbi, 6 errors, 40 dp's, salary 450k

i like rollins ethic better, furcal is good b/c of the ppl around him...IMO.

[Franchise]

you gotta go kent b4 giles to....braves biased bastards!

giles-avg 287 hr 8 rbi 36

kent avg 313 hr 11 rbi 50

The only Braves that should make it should be, Sheffag, Smoltz, and Lopez.

[Xcaliber]

AL
C - Jason Varitek
1B - Carlos Delgado
2B - Alfonso Soriano
3B - Troy Glaus
SS - Nomar Garciaparra
OF - Manny Ramirez
OF - Ichiro
OF - Vernon Wells
DH - Edgar Martinez
P - Roy Halladay

NL
C - Javy Lopez
1B - Todd Helton
2B - Marcus Giles
3B - Mike Lowell
SS - Edgar Renteria
OF - Albert Pujols
OF - Gary Sheffield
OF - Preston Wilson (no typo)
DH - Barry Bonds
P - Dontrelle Willis

This is obviously if I got to pick the teams because guys like Wilson and maybe even Pujols won't be starters.

[law1ng2b]

not understanding this. the guy is having a pretty good year, and got off to a great start...but now is at .287, 8hr, 36rbi, and 47 runs, .363 obp. why is everyone forgetting about Vidro? .328, 8hr, 38 rbi, 43 runs, .418 obp...along with a better fielding percentage than giles. what about Castillo and Durham? Durham was on the DL early in the year, but has been very consistent and the Giants are a much better club with him in the lineup and he is hitting 34 points higher, the OBP is 50 points higher, and his defense is much improved this year.

[two-six]

Originally posted by PantherPaul
Yeah that name slipped my mind. Lets go Bonds, Sheffield, and Pujous <MVP

no argument there....pujols has gotta be the frontrunner for mvp as of now. but sheff is in there too.

[two-six]

Originally posted by Franchise


i think jimmy rollins is better

stats on both

furcal-293avg, 10hr,28rbi, 19errors,47 DP's-salary 2.2 mil
rollins- 266avg,4hr,35rbi, 6 errors, 40 dp's, salary 450k

i like rollins ethic better, furcal is good b/c of the ppl around him...IMO.

i just can't see the rollins over furcal point. since when did salary come into all-star selection?

[two-six]

franchise, law1ing.....i agree with both of and i'm a braves fan. giles had a great start to the season, but has slowed down of lately. i think vidro is the best 2b in the league, and should get the nod. i don't think giles should be there, altho i'd like to see it for the guy.

[Franchise]

Originally posted by CharPirates26


i just can't see the rollins over furcal point. since when did salary come into all-star selection?

salary is irelevant, i brought it in there for my reason, rollins makes a hell of alot less and works a hell of alot harder IMO.

[PantherPaul]

Damn Franchise I am a Phillie fan and I don't have near the bias against Braves that you do.

[Franchise]

Ive lived here for all my life, i fuckin hate the braves man. they are always on 10 channels....i know if i want to watch my team, i shouldn't like the team like the dodgers, but fuck, why do they get 10 channels?

[two-six]

Originally posted by Franchise
Ive lived here for all my life, i fuckin hate the braves man. they are always on 10 channels....i know if i want to watch my team, i shouldn't like the team like the dodgers, but fuck, why do they get 10 channels?

man, i want your cable package, no doubt

[The Brain]

Originally posted by Franchise
Ive lived here for all my life, i fuckin hate the braves man. they are always on 10 channels....i know if i want to watch my team, i shouldn't like the team like the dodgers, but fuck, why do they get 10 channels? that explains your hate... kinda tacky man... if you pay attention its the way everyone else is against UNC... now do you REALLY want to be like that??

[Franchise]

sorry your point is invalid. reason is, the braves are 5 hours from me, the tarheels, an hour, in the same state. college basketball is bigger here anyways. and the tarheels take one channel. on a given night, i can find the braves on TBS, ESPN, and some shitty upper channel. Its fuckin baseball, and its not even the world series.

[PantherPaul]

Franchise I feel your pain as far as Braves. If they had been like the Cowboys it would be easy to hate them. But I have liked watching them especially Smoltz and Maddux. Bobby Cox on the other hand is vastly over rated IMO

[Franchise]

Braves are overrated. When bud selig realizes that the NFL is kickin' baseballs ass on viewers and rank of sport, maby baseball will be good again. Share the wealth like football, and it makes it even, the same teams are always in the playoffs, and the same teams always wins, b/c of the money issue. Braves just happened to have a lot of money, so they get lucky. That to me is bullshit, and not even fun to watch. Its like Bobby Cox and Ted Turner are playing their own shitty video game where they can trade for whoever they want and pickup whoever they want to develop the best team ever. If you think about it, all the braves in one way or another in the starting lineup, could make the all star team.

Just fuckin hate the bravHOES, and the yanks

[two-six]

andruw, chipper, furcal, giles, lopez.....5 outta the starting 8 from the braves farm system.....pitching staff.....ramirez, smoltz, king, hodges, others i'm sure i'm missing. up until this year, glavine and millwood.

buying talent? yes, but still the best farm team in the bigs in the last decade+. so, you're buying talent doesn't work with me. next idea?

now the yankees fit your point well. jeter and bernie, after that pretty much everything is bought. i, like you, would love to see a salary cap in baseball. i'm wondering whats taken this long and why its not there already

[Franchise]

bullshit dude, cmon, mont. can't afford the braves salary, that 2 me is buying talent.

on disrespect 2 u btw, the braves just piss me off.

anywho, salary cap+baseball=fun to watch again. baseball sux to watch on tv b/c its so lopsided and boring. bud selig is too stupid too see that the NFL is kickin' MLB's ass.

[two-six]

hey man, none taken. i'm just pointing out that more than half these guys on their roster were drafted by the braves. last time i checked, other than the top few picks, theres no big bucks there. don't blame it on the braves if their draft picks turn out to be great ballplayers and deserve the money. you take all the players in the bigs these days, and put them back with the team that drafted them, and the braves would roll over anyone.

[Franchise]

Originally posted by CharPirates26
hey man, none taken. i'm just pointing out that more than half these guys on their roster were drafted by the braves. last time i checked, other than the top few picks, theres no big bucks there. don't blame it on the braves if their draft picks turn out to be great ballplayers and deserve the money. you take all the players in the bigs these days, and put them back with the team that drafted them, and the braves would roll over anyone.

who was drafted? besides andruw jones

[two-six]

Originally posted by Franchise


who was drafted? besides andruw jones

here goes

starting lineup

C---javy lopez NDFA (non-drafted free agent), 87'
2B--marcus giles 53rd round, 96'
SS--rafeal furcal NDFA, 96'
3B--vinny castilla SURPRISE, signed from mexican league team 90'
LF--chipper jones 1st pick, 90'
CF--andruw jones NDFA 93'

bench

mark derosa 7th rd, 96'

so, actually 6 of 8 starters, even i didn't know castilla was originally a brave, picked up by the rockies in the expansion draft

pitchers

horacio ramirez 5th rd, 97'
jung bong NDFA, 97'
trey hodges 17th rd, 00'

not sure how i forgot smoltzie pitched for 2 mins in detroit, sorry.

i'll throw in a bonus here.....adam wainwright 1st rd, 00'. seen this kid throw twice at myrtle beach last year, he is the real deal and will be in the rotation in the next 2 years.

[law1ng2b]

char,
Castilla got some time with the braves (not much) in the early 90's before the expansion draft.

i think of smoltz as more home grown than not. he was quite young when they picked him up and did most of the work developing him.

[Reznor]

Plus just look at all the talent the braves farm system has let go to other teams...I really don't have time to look them all up, but there are a ton of guys that came up with Atlanta who are now contributing to other teams.

[Franchise]

The Dodgers are known for their farm teams contributing, they didn't get the nickname, farm team for MLB for nothing.