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I have no moral or ethical problem with homosexuality. I don't think God minds, and there are certainly not enough good people in this world to condemn a huge group of them based simply on what they do with their genitalia.
That said, there are some really annoying behaviors that I've witnessed from gay people that irk me. Some of them may not be specific to gay people and some probably bother me because I'm jealous that only gay people are able to get away with them.
1. The "Pro Gay" political angle. This one is not specific to only gay people, but how come whenever people claim to want equality, what they really shoot for is special treatment and to prove that their lifestyle is somehow superior to those that they feel oppressed by?
2. People I've known at work who are really flaming are able to get away with much looser language and outrageous statements than everyone else.
3. The "Gays Know Fashion and Design" myth. This has been mentioned before and is a real joke. Gays are more readily accepted in interior design and hairdressing because their primary clientele are women, who are less intimidated by and jugemental of gays. I swear there are straight people in these fields that intentionally act gay to increase their credibility.
4. Gays who go out to gay bars, get laid, and claim they "got lucky last night". Isn't that like me going to a video store and running out of there all excited because they let me rent videos? This is a disgrace to all of the hardworking heterosexual guys out there who actually have to work to get in a girl's pants.
5. Getting to a point in a conversation with a (presumably closeted) gay guy where the only natural response on his part is that he's gay, but he awkwardly avoids the subject, leaving no doubt anyway.
I'm sure there's more, but my son wants to get back onto lego.com, so I'll have to add more later.
Also, before anyone else catches on, yes, I am a racist homophobe and a closet homosexual with many deep and complex emotional issues that make me think about these things.
I think a lot of it is #s 1 and 2. There's a point where flaunting your preference gets old. In the end, I just don't care about the preference, it's about the person. And if the person's annoying, they're annoying. This doesn't necessarily apply to Fred or builder, the only thing I found annoying at any point was the way this board was so focused on the asshole. If I were to ever get into a decent friendly relationship with either, I wouldn't concern myself with them as a gay entity at any point. There's gotta be more to a person than that.
BigMark
04-15-02, 09:33 PM
Lesbians never let me watch.
Kakia69
04-15-02, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by sadic1
1. The "Pro Gay" political angle. This one is not specific to only gay people, but how come whenever people claim to want equality, what they really shoot for is special treatment and to prove that their lifestyle is somehow superior to those that they feel oppressed by?
and what about the "Black" angle...and the "Feminist" angle?
Originally posted by sadic1
2. People I've known at work who are really flaming are able to get away with much looser language and outrageous statements than everyone else.
Not a true statement. I pretty much get away with loose language and outrageous statements anywhere.
Originally posted by sadic1
3. The "Gays Know Fashion and Design" myth. This has been mentioned before and is a real joke. Gays are more readily accepted in interior design and hairdressing because their primary clientele are women, who are less intimidated by and jugemental of gays. I swear there are straight people in these fields that intentionally act gay to increase their credibility.
Gay men relate to women a HELLUVA lot better than straight men and IMO gay men aren't catty like women can be. I have LOADS of fun going shopping with gay men. My close friend always picks out the cutest clothes for me to wear. He definitely has great taste when it comes to fashion...and cosmetics. So much more entertaining than going shopping with my girlfriends. And male hairdressers (gay or straight) are less likely to fuck up my hair.
Originally posted by sadic1
4. Gays who go out to gay bars, get laid, and claim they "got lucky last night". Isn't that like me going to a video store and running out of there all excited because they let me rent videos? This is a disgrace to all of the hardworking heterosexual guys out there who actually have to work to get in a girl's pants.
Well, I know a lot of straight men that go out to straight bars, get laid, and claim they "got lucky last night"..."and then left once the bitch fell asleep".[/B][/QUOTE]
LPBEAR55
04-15-02, 09:43 PM
My younger brother is gay. I accept the fact of his life style and still love him, but he tends to force the issue on me and wants to discuss details of his relationships.
Is is not enough for me to accept it, but do I have to listen to the details? I don't discuss my sex life with him.
The ones that "swish" in public are really a little much. Looks kind of tacky, like if I walked around with my zipper down and my dick hanging out. I hardly ever do that anymore.
Originally posted by Kakia69
and what about the "Black" angle...and the "Feminist" angle?
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Uh, that would be why I said "This issue isn't specific to gays"....
Originally posted by Kakia69
Not a true statement. I pretty much get away with loose language and outrageous statements anywhere.
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That doesn't mean that the same isn't true for gays. Are you just offering material for the forthcoming, "What Annoys You About Hot Chicks" thread?
Originally posted by Kakia69
Well, I know a lot of straight men that go out to straight bars, get laid, and claim they "got lucky last night"..."and then left once the bitch fell asleep".
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So what? My point was that at least those bastards actually had to work to get a piece. Gay guys put a colored handkerchief in their pocket. If you're a gay male and can't get laid pretty much whenever you want, you're probably the Elephant Man.
And what about the stereotypical gay "lisp" accent? Is this a genetic link behind homosexuality, or do you have to learn it to pass the entrance exam?
Originally posted by sadic1
If you're a gay male and can't get laid pretty much whenever you want, you're probably the Elephant Man.
or builder. :D
BigMark
04-15-02, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by sadic1
entrance exam?
Oh mercy... a million lewd ideas just ran through my head and muddied up my inturnal carpet.
Originally posted by Kakia69
Gay men relate to women a HELLUVA lot better than straight men and IMO gay men aren't catty like women can be. I have LOADS of fun going shopping with gay men. My close friend always picks out the cutest clothes for me to wear. He definitely has great taste when it comes to fashion...and cosmetics. So much more entertaining than going shopping with my girlfriends. And male hairdressers (gay or straight) are less likely to fuck up my hair.
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They relate to you because they know they can bullshit with you just like your female friends. And you enjoy their company because you have the secure feeling of knowing that they are not sexually attracted to you. Now as for the fashion and cosmetics part...well, duh..that's because they're gay.
I can't really say I hate gays or that I am afraid of them, but if a gay man ever agressively came onto me I am pretty sure I would kill him. Either way, I think the lifestyle is just plain stupid. If we were supposed to breathe underwater, we would have been given gills. There is a reason that all men are born with dicks and all women with vaginas. Anyone who says that people "can't help that they're gay" will probably fade off into la-la land sooner or later, along with people who say that terrorists "can't help that they hate Americans and want to blow us up."
sadic, your understanding of rights movements leaves room for better understanding. 'special treatment' or 'special rights' is a term created and used by groups who already have the rights that less powerful groups are asking for. i can't think of any rights gay people are asking for that us hetero's don't already have. that kind of language is a way to keep certain groups priveleged, while keeping others 'down'. 11% of the world pop is gay. i think there is no question that there should be equal treatment under the law for gays. marriage, spousal insurance is a big one. that said there is something that bugs me about any group that could be named - including white hetero-sexual males, a group to which i belong, and probably the most dangerous.
sorry that you are so narrow-minded, jcb. let me know if you ever want any help with that and i'll be glad to oblige.
i hope you never come into contact with my mom. it's sad that there are people in the world like you who seriously hate things they just don't understand.
how about you try and educate yourself on the subject. i think it would help. seriously, if you want my help -- just ask.
i'd hate for you to have to kill someone just because they thought you were cute.
BigMark
04-15-02, 10:51 PM
Originally posted by LarryD
i'd hate for you to have to kill someone just because they thought you were cute.
If that's his only motive for murder, I think the world is safe from JCB.
Originally posted by p2k1f
sadic, your understanding of rights movements leaves room for better understanding. 'special treatment' or 'special rights' is a term created and used by groups who already have the rights that less powerful groups are asking for. i can't think of any rights gay people are asking for that us hetero's don't already have. that kind of language is a way to keep certain groups priveleged, while keeping others 'down'. 11% of the world pop is gay. i think there is no question that there should be equal treatment under the law for gays. marriage, spousal insurance is a big one. that said there is something that bugs me about any group that could be named - including white hetero-sexual males, a group to which i belong, and probably the most dangerous.
Your point is well taken and eloquently expressed. I have always supported whatever legislation represents a move toward equality under the law, including and especially legalizing same sex marriages. In reality, I'm probably reacting more to a general attitude shared by all political lobbies than any specific pieces of pro-gay legislation that seems unfair.
i like fred and builder. they dont annoy me at all. i know their sexual preferrence. good for them! we sure have a lot in common... me and them 2 fabulous guys! furthermore, i loved that one post of fred's a while back. he said that he was with this guy, but he wanted the ex! god, how i related to that totally! (fred, you blew me away with that!)
you know, the objective is not oneness and/or sameness! the real objective should be the tolerance for each other's differences, IMO. i hate that some make fun of gay/lesbians at their expense. that is sad. i can tell when one's commets are made with malice. i cringe! we are all just people.
Iron9er
04-16-02, 02:46 AM
what annoys me about gay chicks: not a damn thing, except there needs to be more of them (well, at least partially gay!).
what annoys me about gay guys: the fact that none have apparently tried to straddle JCB yet
Y2Buddy
04-16-02, 02:57 AM
I have a problem with gay people who have a problem with straight people just because we're different. Ofcourse the same holds true with race, religion, jocks, heads, nerds, and the like. I don't have a problem with any "group" of people, just some individuals, and that could be anybody.
SilverSurfer
04-16-02, 06:02 AM
Nothing bugs me about gays in general. I wish that all men were gay except me. Then I could have all the women, and they would fight over me. :)
I've had so many gay and lesbian friends through the course of my life it is impossible to hate any gay person just for being gay.
If I don't like somebody it has nothing to do with their sexual orientation and everything to do with they way they relate to or treat others.
slydevl
04-16-02, 09:43 AM
According to Sadic's logic, you apparently are gay Wossa. Either that or you hate gays. Its hard to tell. His logic is very twisted.
Originally posted by slydevl
According to Sadic's logic, you apparently are gay Wossa. Either that or you hate gays. Its hard to tell. His logic is very twisted.
Care to explain what you mean by this?
gridfaniker
04-16-02, 10:22 AM
Take this to the newly-created "Slydvl-Sadic Brouhaha" forum. Is it up yet Larry?
i've been working on the cap'n-bear one, but this one may have to take precedence.
BearBryant
04-16-02, 10:31 AM
Originally posted by LarryD
i've been working on the cap'n-bear one, but this one may have to take precedence.
you have to include Sly in ours..just would not be right without him..
mathmajors
04-16-02, 10:32 AM
Originally posted by LarryD
i've been working on the cap'n-bear one, but this one may have to take precedence.
You might as well put Sly in with the other two. They can take over a thread in a hurry.
I've never seen slydevl acting so violated and insecure for so long across so many threads. I'm sort of proud.
An important distinction between Wossa's statements and slydevl's attempt to prove he's not a racist by virute of the fact that he had black friends is that the assertion that racism has a much broader definition than hating all people of another race. I definitely believe that slydevl does not hate all blacks, and that this is a fact that can indeed be supported (though not necessarily proven) by his associations with blacks. That in and of itself does mean he's not a racist. Wossa used the fact that he has gay friends to support his statement that he doesn't hate any gays just because they're gay. This is reasonable.
Originally posted by Kakia69
and what about the "Black" angle... [/B][/QUOTE]
?, care to be more specific:feedback:
gridfaniker
04-16-02, 10:56 AM
Originally posted by hero
?, care to be more specific:feedback: [/B][/QUOTE]
Typical hero. Dick.
Originally posted by Fred
Thank God for the "ignore" feature.
It's reassuring to know that you're only pretending to ignore me. The question you should ask yourself is whether you're pretending to ignore me for my benefit, yours, or the benefit of onlookers. It's sort of charming in a way. It's kind of like when a child sticks their fingers in their ears to prove a point, but you know they're really listening.
Originally posted by BearBryant
you have to include Sly in ours..just would not be right without him..
yeah the THREE BUTT BUDDIES.
so how did the session go last night fellas?
Did Max get a nut?
Originally posted by sadic1
Wossa used the fact that he has gay friends to support his statement that he doesn't hate any gays just because they're gay. This is reasonable.
Trying to get on my good side now?
Originally posted by LarryD
sorry that you are so narrow-minded, jcb. let me know if you ever want any help with that and i'll be glad to oblige.
i hope you never come into contact with my mom. it's sad that there are people in the world like you who seriously hate things they just don't understand.
how about you try and educate yourself on the subject. i think it would help. seriously, if you want my help -- just ask.
i'd hate for you to have to kill someone just because they thought you were cute.
Ok dude I was kidding about the murder part.
Not narrow-minded, just well-educated. I didn't say I hated the lifestyle, just that it was stupid. I'm sorry there are people like you in this world that are so easily swayed by the changing times in our society and the new (i.e. "politically correct") ways of thinking. If you want me to help you out with that, I'd be glad to oblige. Normally I don't recommend reading the Bible or talking to God, but hey, it's a start.
Originally posted by Iron9er
what annoys me about gay chicks: not a damn thing, except there needs to be more of them (well, at least partially gay!).
what annoys me about gay guys: the fact that none have apparently tried to straddle JCB yet
Are you saying you wish all gay men would die???
Originally posted by BigMark
If that's his only motive for murder, I think the world is safe from JCB.
Good one fatboy.
I can see where this may be headed (and its been awhile huh?)
JCB - I want you to teach me what you know. Please tell me why you believe that gay people choose their orientations. You're slamming LarryD as if he is an idiot - so seemingly "swayed" by the popular "PC" thought of late.... So - you say that's where his opinion originated - where did yours come from? How is it, that you know the inner-workings of the homosexual and their "choices" No, really.... I want to know.
Larry was swayed because is Mom is a lesbo.
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
(you know I'm just kidding D)
mathmajors
04-16-02, 02:55 PM
Originally posted by Farmer
I can see where this may be headed (and its been awhile huh?)
JCB - I want you to teach me what you know. Please tell me why you believe that gay people choose their orientations. You're slamming LarryD as if he is an idiot - so seemingly "swayed" by the popular "PC" thought of late.... So - you say that's where his opinion originated - where did yours come from? How is it, that you know the inner-workings of the homosexual and their "choices" No, really.... I want to know.
Right. People just don't wake up in the morning and say, "I think I'll be gay from now on."
jcb, my mom is gay. it took her until she was in her 40s to figure it out. why you think anyone would choose to be persecuted, poked fun at, harassed, abused -- and even killed -- by ignorant humans is far beyond my scope of comprehension.
i'm sorry you don't understand; it's not easy. it wasn't easy sitting down and having her tell me, my sister and my brother. it took years to understand. what i do know is that she is very happy -- happier than i can ever remember -- now that she knows.
i'm at least speaking from experience here. gay people are normal people. i'm sorry, but you can't prove otherwise.
sadic, if you're going to be around here and do what you do - you could make yourself useful. ie; there are some people here in desperate need of your services. i won't mention any names -
BUT DOES JCB (the closet ass goblin) RING A BELL. i think that perhaps you could help pull him out of the closet.
People like that are too easy to bother with, unless I'm really in the mood. I like calling out the one's who's issues aren't as apparent to everyone else.
slydevl
04-16-02, 05:42 PM
Basically sadic is (and by his own definition) a flamer. Actually in both senses of the word.
I know there are some of you on here that grew up in the 50's or even before that. Ask yourselves, what did people think about the homosexual lifestyle back THEN??? I wasn't around back then of course but I know people who were and it was definitely different. The lifestyle was not accepted the way it is now, and you guys know it. Why do you think that is? Do you not think that there are a lot of things in society today that used to be considered taboo? Just look at sex and violence on TV, etcetera, etcetera.
I go to a predominantly liberal-arts school and you better believe I have been confronted with every argument possible. Saying "why would they choose to be ridiculed" doesn't fly. I mean look at this board; obviously gays really aren't ridiculed that much anymore and that's why there are so many more of them. I guess every one thinks differently but saying that gay people can't help that they're gay just sounds really dumb to me. That's like saying you can't help it that you have a drinking problem; that you were just "born to be an alcoholic."
So that still leaves the question unanswered as to why someone would choose to be gay. I definitely think some people can be more prone to it; maybe the lack of a father figure for men or constant failure in relationships with the opposite sex.
But the way the human body is designed, it is impossible to be naturally attracted to the same sex. Go back to Biology class if you still don't understand.
I'm not insulting your mother Larry; I never said I hated gays, or if I did I was joking. I just don't think the lifestyle should be accepted the way it is today.
Originally posted by p2k1f
sadic, if you're going to be around here and do what you do - you could make yourself useful. ie; there are some people here in desperate need of your services. i won't mention any names -
BUT DOES JCB (the closet ass goblin) RING A BELL. i think that perhaps you could help pull him out of the closet.
Haha! I get it man. But I couldn't be gay even if I wanted to. The girls simply wouldn't let me. :cool:
damn jcb, and i thought you were just stupid in basketball. With your logic, you're saying that segregation was right because people thought that way back then. That's pretty ignorant kid. And just because you go to hippie tech doesn't mean you know anything. I'm sure some people choose to be gay for different reasons i.e. Anne Heche. But some are just attracted to the same sex. It just happens. But that's ok, everyone here still thinks you know it all, just like you do.
Originally posted by slydevl
Basically sadic is (and by his own definition) a flamer. Actually in both senses of the word.
...so sad the inane ramblings a beaten man must resort to. It's just not an economical use of my skills to hammer someone that just about ANYONE...even including slydevl...on the board can handle easily. And stop making fun of me just because I'm gay!
The only thing about my gay friends that annoys me is that they think that coming out has annointed them with the ability to tell good food from shit. One in particular won't go to any eating joint that has been in business for more than ten minutes. He now also disdains grits and redeye gravy and has begun to talk like a Yankee faking a Brit accent. I think he has been avoiding me lately because I happen to know he was born in Mt. Holly -- a fact that would not sit well with his entourage.
Oh yeah, I just thought of an annoying trait I've seen in gay women. My buddy's wife's aunt is gay and owns a home with her longtime lover. The aunt is fem and her lover is really butch. Whenever we go to a party or gathering at their house, the butch woman hangs with the guys, throws the football around, or plays basketball, etc. She's cool when she's hanging with the guys (and easily competitive enough to hang), but I noticed she's really condescending and borderline disrespectful toward my wife (who's cute and girly) and any other good looking, feminine women she encounters. It's like she feels the need act the part of a particularly stereotypical male chauvenist. I've heard of this dynamic existing from other people as well, but it and all of the bizarre attempts that butch women make to look like men (taping their tits down, the clothes, the haircut, etc) just reek of that person not really being comfortable with who they really are. Why does it seem like some people feel like they can't be their own gender and gay at the same time?
I have known tons of gay people and I don't know why but I have really liked them all. I truely love some of them too. They have tremendous compassion for people, something JCB just doesn't "get". I think this compassion comes from the trials and tribulations they have had to deal with. Some from society in general and some from their own turmoil of trying for years to be something they are not just to fit into "society".
Most have a great sense of humor too. I am guessing that they have had to develope a sense of humor to be able to tolorate ignorant people.
But Fred and Builder I love you both dearly. I love reading your posts. The funny ones and the serious ones too. I have never met either one of you but I feel like I have known you a long time. You get to know a lot about people by reading their posts on this board.
Iron9er
04-16-02, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by JCB
So that still leaves the question unanswered as to why someone would choose to be gay... constant failure in relationships with the opposite sex.
You sound as if you speak from experience :o :p
JCB, why can society not be accepting of everyone? Just b/c you don't understand or agree with someone's choices does not mean you can't accept PEOPLE. I don't see how some dude out there being gay makes your life any worse off, so why should you care?
jcb, your logic is so flawed that i realize it's impossible to change your mind.
first, you need to realize that gay people are normal. second, you need to realize that you can't use loaded terms such as "gay lifestyle" and expect anyone to take your attempts at understanding seriously. how's your "straight lifestyle" working out for you?
dude, folks are just folks.
muff_spelunker
04-16-02, 08:21 PM
Originally posted by JCB
I guess every one thinks differently but saying that gay people can't help that they're gay just sounds really dumb to me. That's like saying you can't help it that you have a drinking problem; that you were just "born to be an alcoholic."
Okay, old subject, but here goes. By the above statement you are in effect saying that you can help being heterosexual. You are really a homosexual, but you "choose" to be hetero.
Yeah, uh-huh. Riiiiight.
mramailman
04-16-02, 08:50 PM
Originally posted by LarryD
dude, folks are just folks.
That about sums my thoughts on the "normal/abnormal" thing.
And I can't really think of any problems I have with gays.
The media sometimes throws alot of this issue around just because it is there but that's my hatred for TV and the media. :)
Okay guys so I guess Osama bin Laden was just born to kill innocent people and we should all just accept it and get on with our lives?
WYDD, we're talking about gays, not segregation. The point was that society changes the way it thinks and that's not always a good thing. People are more tolerant of things and if it increases the spreading of the HIV virus, it can't be considered a good thing, can it? --that was a joke.
Anyway, how the hell is my logic flawed? You can't argue with creation. I am beginning to think you guys are the ones who are narrow-minded. I guess I should just leave it alone and go thank my parents for raising me the right way.
:D
Originally posted by muff_spelunker
Okay, old subject, but here goes. By the above statement you are in effect saying that you can help being heterosexual. You are really a homosexual, but you "choose" to be hetero.
Yeah, uh-huh. Riiiiight.
No man I am saying I was born with a dick and balls and that means I am attracted to someone with a vagina.
Originally posted by JCB
I guess I should just leave it alone and go thank my parents for raising me the right way.
Yeah, no doubt. They realized you didn't want to wear the white hood and the cape at 5 years old, but you'd grow into it. And remember, folks, when you can't understand, hate.
Originally posted by WYDD
damn jcb, and i thought you were just stupid in basketball. With your logic, you're saying that segregation was right because people thought that way back then. That's pretty ignorant kid. And just because you go to hippie tech doesn't mean you know anything. I'm sure some people choose to be gay for different reasons i.e. Anne Heche. But some are just attracted to the same sex. It just happens. But that's ok, everyone here still thinks you know it all, just like you do.
"it just happens" with that explanation you aint gettin too far in life son
what do i have to do to make you people think???
tell us what other morals have your parents instilled in you?? Interracial marriages are for heretics or something?? It's good to know that there are still kids in college that know everything just because they got accepted.
Iron9er
04-16-02, 09:21 PM
Hey you dukies should quit fighting and ask christian laettner and brian davis about their thoughts on the matter.
Originally posted by magnus ver magnusson
Yeah, no doubt. They realized you didn't want to wear the white hood and the cape at 5 years old, but you'd grow into it. And remember, folks, when you can't understand, hate.
No one said anything about hate. Now you are putting words in my mouth. No wonder you guys don't agree with me; you're not listening. :o
THINK ABOUT WHAT THE WORLD WOULD BE LIKE IF EVERYONE WAS GAY...OUR SPECIES WOULD DIE OUT..YOU CANNOT REPRODUCE WITH A SAME-SEX PARTNER. I UNDERSTAND GAYS CLEARLY. THEY ARE LOST AND CONFUSED. NO BIG DEAL TO ME. WHAT I HATE IS WHEN PEOPLE TRY TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR OTHERS. I WILL NO LONGER TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT I HAVE BEEN EDUCATED AND RAISED BY PARENTS WHO DON'T TRY TO ACCEPT THINGS THAT ARE WRONG OR MAKE EXCUSES FOR PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO BE DIFFERENT.
"And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth..."
-Genesis 1:26-28a
meatpile
04-16-02, 09:25 PM
I don't really like the way gays run around wanting to put their sperm in other people's buttholes. Buttholes can't process sperm, except to make a mix of shit / cum / blood / astroglide and maybe hamster crap.
Gays waste sperm.
what if christianity is not the "right religion." I'm pretty sure all religions have a book of some sort, so just because your parents read you passages from the bible makes you safe? Wow, how can you NOT see that you are narrow minded?
If I am, why is that a problem?
Is it people like you who have always said that we should let anyone and everyone immigrate to this country without any kind of research or boundaries?
As for Christianity, I certainly don't believe or care for it all but I believe God created the world, rather than evolution, because I think the human body is far too complex to have just "happened to exist."
Like I said before, you simply cannot reproduce in a homosexual environment. It's a good thing most guys and girls like fucking the opposite instead of each other or we'd all be screwed. No pun intended.
By the way I'm still laughing at you saying "How do we know that Christianity is the right religion." Don't worry about minor details ok.
yet you quote the bible? Man, you're making yourself look smarter every post.
>>No one said anything about hate. Now you are putting words in my mouth. No wonder you guys don't agree with me; you're not listening. :o .
No, we're listening, we're just also ridiculing you.
>>THINK ABOUT WHAT THE WORLD WOULD BE LIKE IF EVERYONE WAS GAY..
Is everyone gay? no.
>>OUR SPECIES WOULD DIE OUT..
Well, we can always have faith in our future knowing that you're able to reproduce.
>>YOU CANNOT REPRODUCE WITH A SAME-SEX PARTNER.
No. Does that keep gay males from raising a child in love? Does that keep lesbians from doing the same? No. I seriously doubt you'd approve of it, though.
>>I UNDERSTAND GAYS CLEARLY. THEY ARE LOST AND CONFUSED.
Actually, most people like that are lost and confused until they come to terms with who they are, what they like, and how to deal with it. You're not confused, though, you're certain you're right about something you know nothing of.
>>NO BIG DEAL TO ME.
"I'll kill any man who tries to pick me up."
>>WHAT I HATE IS WHEN PEOPLE TRY TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR OTHERS.
No excuses. Simply put, that's who they are. They don't have a problem. I don't have a problem. You're the one who takes issue with them being gay.
>>I WILL NO LONGER TAKE FOR GRANTED THAT I HAVE BEEN EDUCATED AND RAISED BY PARENTS WHO DON'T TRY TO ACCEPT THINGS THAT ARE WRONG OR MAKE EXCUSES FOR PEOPLE WHO CHOOSE TO BE DIFFERENT. .
After all, not being like you = being wrong, being different. I sure am glad you're the gold standard, and not some lesser being with flaws.
>>"And God said..."
He said love thy neighbor. That's far more critical than "hate thy neighbor for being different."
meatpile
04-16-02, 09:37 PM
But then again, it'd be pretty convenient to be gay.
Like at the TBR party. We think it's nuts that it wound up at the leather and lace, with strippers.
If we were gay, we'd have all gone back to Putt's and fucked our brains out. Sly could eat Putt's ass while getting butt fucked by Morgan.
But since we're NOT gay, it's just the titty bar. If we WERE gay, though, no need for titty bars.
That'd be a sad world.
I'm not taking issue with them being gay anymore, I'm taking issue with you guys being "open-minded."
No, everyone is not gay. But what if everyone was? Again, no more people. That should be the obvious reason that homosexuality is not natural and you guys are too "open-minded" to realize it.
Ok....look at it this way. The rectum's tissue tears very easily. That's a proven fact. For that reason gays are more likely to spread and get HIV, because they have sex through the rectum, of course. If homo. was natural, then why would it lead to the rapid spreading of HIV? Yes I realize that straight people can pass it along as well, but people were having straight sex all over the place 2,000 years ago and no one was dying of AIDS. That is a fact. Everyone knows, or should, that AIDS became rampant in the 1970s right about the time that homosexuality started gaining acceptance.
Point 2--why are so many gays in the closet? Because they realize that it is disgusting and UNNATURAL. They only come out when they become overwhelmed with frustration or realize they are accepted with open arms.
Finally, if some people were born gay and can't help it, then why are there are so many more straights than gays? I mean, an overwhelming majority more?
I rest my case, your honor.
meatpile
04-16-02, 09:49 PM
If I were gay, and my buddy was horny - I'd blow him.
Cuz I'd be gay, and he's my friend
SilverSurfer
04-16-02, 10:01 PM
Originally posted by JCB
THINK ABOUT WHAT THE WORLD WOULD BE LIKE IF EVERYONE WAS GAY...OUR SPECIES WOULD DIE OUT..YOU CANNOT REPRODUCE WITH A SAME-SEX PARTNER.
well that theory is shot to hell. There's already about 5 billion too many people, so it looks like to me we need more gays.
Like I said before, I wish all of you guys would turn gay so I could have all the women. :D
slydevl
04-16-02, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by sadic1
...so sad the inane ramblings a beaten man must resort to. It's just not an economical use of my skills to hammer someone that just about ANYONE...even including slydevl...on the board can handle easily. And stop making fun of me just because I'm gay!
Don't know what makes you think you have beaten me. You yet again dodge the assertation with a load of bullshit. Thats fine. Thats your whole MO. Drop a bomb and run. Your reply to LArrys questions about your motives on this board fit the classic definition of a board "Flamer" (anyone remember when Kaenash posted those?) to a T. There is no arguing your own words. No one has "handled" me on this board and especially not you. The only one I would even consider letting "handle" me is Fred and thats just because if I were gay he I'm pretty sure he would be my type. I feel confident that I could best you in any mental or physical challenge you could outline. Thats good enough for me.
what reallly pisses me off about gay people is that when I'm in a pissy mood I want to be left alone and have some goddamned perky ray of sunshine intruding on my hard earned funk. You got that asshole????? Leave me the fuck alone take your perky happy the cup is half full ass the fuck outta my life. Or was sadic talking about the hetrosexually challenged?
>>I'm taking issue with you guys being "open-minded."
When the pot calls the kettle black, that's one thing. Now the pot's talking shit to the pyrex bowl and that makes no sense at all. You're calling an entire lifestyle "unnatural" and saying we're not open minded?
Tell me this. Let's say on the off chance you got some chick dumb enough to do you.
Blowjobs are a crime against nature in this state. Do you think God and country would approve? And would that stop you?
>>No, everyone is not gay. But what if everyone was?
Well, if that were in fact the case, someone would eventually lynch you for being a bigot and a freak.
Still, the basic fact is we're not animals. We can think and reason, and there's no reason why the human race couldn't get by despite your protests.
>>Point 2--
That suggests there was a point one.
>>why are so many gays in the closet?
They're probably afraid of people who'll hate them without knowing them. Know anyone like that?
>>They only come out when they... ...realize they are accepted with open arms.
And why shouldn't they be? What makes them bad people just because they're not like you?
I'm not into butt-pirating, but I'm not going to judge someone without a valid reason to do so. Being gay does not give reason to judge someone's personality, being a bigot does.
>>Finally, if some people were born gay and can't help it, then why are there are so many more straights than gays? I mean, an overwhelming majority more?
So if there's a majority, that makes the opposition wrong in personal choice?
That's like saying "well the majority of descent in America is German, therefore anyone without German in them is wrong and must either leave or die."
meatpile
04-16-02, 10:09 PM
Is it gay if you have to pay them?
Captain Morgan
04-16-02, 10:11 PM
I grew up in a very religious home and was close minded just as you are, JCB. But the older and more educated I became, the more I understood and accepted people who are different from me. Remove the word gay from your writing and replace it with the word Jew, and you'd sound a lot like Hitler.
Now I still don't understand why a guy would want a penis rammed up his ass--I mean a big turd coming out hurts bad enough--but I accept the fact that some people are in to that.
Originally posted by slydevl
Thats good enough for me.
If it really was good enough for you, you wouldn't be so desperate to come into every thread trying to rewrite your pitiful little display, already days old. Let it go, man. I'm all for letting you further make an ass of yourself, but even I have limits as to how much perverted pleasure I can reap from your pain. I don't need to even refer back to the original post at this point. The fact that you keep trying to bring it up proves that you have a sense of unfinished business in trying to retroactively save face. But if you must, please continue. You've even stooped to quoting Kaenash and telling Fred you're attracted to him. Yikes.
meatpile
04-16-02, 10:13 PM
Originally posted by Captain Morgan
Now I still don't understand why a guy would want a penis rammed up his ass--I mean a big turd coming out hurts bad enough--but I accept the fact that some people are in to that.
I hadda buddy just got his prostate thing examined. Siad he 'lost control'. Had fluid just kinda run out his peehole, but it wasn't pee, wasn't cum.
Wonder if that's what gays get into.
slydevl
04-16-02, 10:16 PM
I never lost face jackass. You have repeatedly been told by the members of this board what a pathetic loser you are. I did not ask or even want their support.
I have yet to be told honestly by anyone on this board the things that have been told to you. Sometimes unsolicited agreement does feel good but I wont stake my well being on it. Consider it exhibit A toward the case that you are an asshole.
mramailman
04-16-02, 10:27 PM
Originally posted by Fred
"Judge not, least ye be judged."
"he without sin cast the first stone"
Read this JCB inform yourself.
Click here (http://www.electricpride.com/spirituality/gaysandgod.html)
what i think is funny is that sly and sadic have been locked in on each other this entire thread. pretty neat. :)
Originally posted by meatpile
I hadda buddy just got his prostate thing examined. Siad he 'lost control'. Had fluid just kinda run out his peehole, but it wasn't pee, wasn't cum.
Wonder if that's what gays get into. BINGO!
Fred, if you think God does not condemn homosexuality with extreme fervor than you have never touched a Bible.
And Magnus, you are way off the point so just stop while you still can. You are still bent on me saying that I hate gays, which I never did, and missing the fact that my whole argument was that homosexuality is a choice.
I'll be here until you guys can logically contradict my argument. All I want is for you guys to think. None of you have done that to this point, except maybe Sly and Sadic.
Originally posted by slydevl
I never lost face jackass. You have repeatedly been told by the members of this board what a pathetic loser you are. I did not ask or even want their support.
I have yet to be told honestly by anyone on this board the things that have been told to you. Sometimes unsolicited agreement does feel good but I wont stake my well being on it. Consider it exhibit A toward the case that you are an asshole.
There you go, looking desperately for support from others again, as if that's supposed to lend you the credibility you wish you had. This is getting just like the Kaenash/Truth Detector debacle. If you have a direct question, I'll be happy to answer it. Until then, try some breathing exercises or something. Maybe you'll start to feel better.
>>missing the fact that my whole argument was that homosexuality is a choice.
It may well be a choice. Doesn't matter, either way you're judging and condemning people for it, and doing so pretending that you're doing it in God's name.
slydevl
04-16-02, 11:52 PM
Originally posted by sadic1
There you go, looking desperately for support from others again, as if that's supposed to lend you the credibility you wish you had. This is getting just like the Kaenash/Truth Detector debacle. If you have a direct question, I'll be happy to answer it. Until then, try some breathing exercises or something. Maybe you'll start to feel better.
I'm not looking for support from others. I didnt ask for it. They offered it. You try to lessen the fact that a large majority of the people on this board don't think very highly of you by trying to say that I take some kind of solace in it. I am merely pointing out what others have said without solicitation. The corner stone of every argument is evidence. My basic argument is that you are an ass. Therefor it would be negligent of me not to offer the readily available evidence. I do think its funny that everyone thinks you are an ass but am in no way desperately clinging to it.
I also think its funny that you cant let the matter drop while accusing me of not being able to let the matter drop. Just wanted to point out the irony that you are guilty of your own criticism.
What's the saying? People who live in glass houses should not throw stones? You are blind.
jcb, one thing i can contradict with fact is that there is the same percentage of gays in the population today as there was in the '50's, the 20's, the 1800's, 1200, 1000bce. 11% of the pop is, was, and has always been gay. it's just that now they are telling people about it. also, in your first bible quote i find it interesting that god(singular) said let's create man in our(plural) image. wtf is that about. and if you think being gay is not natural, i've known gay dogs, no shit. i've seen male goats try to fuck eachother, and they have observed 'homosexual tendencies' in animals of many types with high intelligence. ever seen a male dog try and fuck another male dog. it's genetic for most, as a matter of fact i think that's not even a question anymore. you are probably one of those people that think most child molesters are gay when, in actuality,
they are straight white males (in this country). if you can accept the fact that you are straight, and like you said there is nothing you can do about it, it's not a far stretch to accept the fact that some, 11%, are gay and can't do anything about it. that's a little more than 1 out of every 10 in every room you go into. the world is not in jeopardy of losing heterosexuals and won't be. it's how things are and have always been for us. remember, in the 50's women weren't telling they were beaten by their husbands or raped - does that mean it didn't happen?
slydevl
04-17-02, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by p2k1f
jcb, one thing i can contradict with fact is that there is the same percentage of gays in the population today as there was in the '50's, the 20's, the 1800's, 1200, 1000bce. 11% of the pop is, was, and has always been gay. it's just that now they are telling people about it. also, in your first bible quote i find it interesting that god(singular) said let's create man in our(plural) image. wtf is that about. and if you think being gay is not natural, i've known gay dogs, no shit. i've seen male goats try to fuck eachother, and they have observed 'homosexual tendencies' in animals of many types with high intelligence. ever seen a male dog try and fuck another male dog. it's genetic for most, as a matter of fact i think that's not even a question anymore. you are probably one of those people that think most child molesters are gay when, in actuality,
they are straight white males (in this country). if you can accept the fact that you are straight, and like you said there is nothing you can do about it, it's not a far stretch to accept the fact that some, 11%, are gay and can't do anything about it. that's a little more than 1 out of every 10 in every room you go into. the world is not in jeopardy of losing heterosexuals and won't be. it's how things are and have always been for us. remember, in the 50's women weren't telling they were beaten by their husbands or raped - does that mean it didn't happen?
Where in the hell is this 11% number coming from. Way too high. Not to take away from any argument you are making in support of homosexuality but 11% is a gross exaggeration.
I don't think so Sly. There are not near that many that are out, but people are coming our of marriages every day saying they couldn't stand it anymore. Of all the gay men I know, AT LEAST 50% of them have been married in their younger years. So imagine all those that are still involved in a marriage. Of the 4 men I have dated over a years time, 2 were married and one was engaged (as well as myself) before they kicked the closet door open. Maybe here is where I am being judgemental, but I have NO tolerance for men who are married and living a "normal" life (as seen by society) then going out and sucking dick on the side. Because someone is not man enough to be honest with himself or anyone else is no reason to go screw up some decent woman's life.
i'm pretty sure it's 11%. i've just been trying to find where i read this. also just has a lecture on it, but can't find it right now. i could be getting it confused, i do that sometimes, but i think it's on the money. sitting here without a reference, i'm thinking 1 out of every 10 people i know is gay, so it doesn't seem that farfetched, i have to remember that i AM in asheville, and it's probably more than 1 in 10 here. i'll try and find it. maybe i'll email dr burchard at school and come back tomorrow with a quote.
Originally posted by p2k1f
i'm thinking 1 out of every 10 people i know is gay, so it doesn't seem that farfetched, i have to remember that i AM in asheville, and it's probably more than 1 in 10 here. I have no doubt that the % of homos in Asheville would shock people. I read something in a magazine (Southern Living I think) about A'ville and it said it is the San Fran. of the south. Even the str8 people here are unusually tolerant. Maybe some mountain air would clean up JCB's nasty little disposition.
ok, i not sure where my info is, but i think it's 11%(gay and bi). i've been searching world pop %'s and can't find shit. i will get back to you whether i'm correct, or mistaken.
what really annoys me is this thread. now i read all that, and god forbid i misunderstood anyone, cuz i am just a mere person of average intellect. i hate that i know these things about you. my mind is tainted now of what you think. is it ego? is it plain ignorance? is it the fact that this is being done in a public forum and that the gay and lesbian community is not well-represented here? i dont know. something's not right.
i dont know, guys, maybe i am just too sensitive or even judgemental. i try not to be. i hate some of the comments i read here. made as a joke or not, i think we should still think and act like responsible adults. what has become of us? how dare us make these callous comments! now there is hate added to the hate that is already in existence! i know the intent of this thread is not to breed hate. i understand and want to believe that. i also feel we have done some of our fellow posters a great injustice. how dare some of us make those insensitive comments about this subject and about each other! i am part of this too, and i dont mind saying that i hate it!
how are we to rid this world of prejudice when we ourselves contribute and glorify it? what are we gonna teach our children when we ourselves don't know any better? we're so screwed!
sorry, i had to get preachy, but i truly feel this.
sorry fred. i wont contribute to this kind of b/s again.
so glad I missed this little wing ding tonight.
My head woulda felt better after banging the wall than trying to read jcb's post.
He has finally earned first spot on my permanent ignore list.
It was nice (not) knowing you jcb.
Hope you grow up some day.
Originally posted by lex
i know the intent of this thread is not to breed hate. Then you don't know Sadistic1 very well. He posted this because Sly and I "one-up'd" him in a thread yesterday. Had Sly been black, the topic would have read "What annoys you about Gays and Blacks?" But what Sadistic doesn't know is that I have read stuff like this since I was 23 (WELL over a decade) and if he wants to piss me off, the 'gay thing' is not what is gonna do it. I have fought much more challenging opponents.
Originally posted by lex
how are we to rid this world of prejudice when we ourselves contribute and glorify it? We're not going to darlin'. There are some people out there that still believe that women and blacks are second class citizens. How can you expect them to see that being gay is not a choice when you can't prove it.
But we (gays in general) tolerate this kinda stuff all the time. It's no biggie. But having supportive people in the world like you and most of the folks on this forum make it tolerable. It's much easier to sit with you guys and laugh at the ignorance of others than to fight it alone.
mramailman
04-17-02, 01:53 AM
Originally posted by JCB
Fred, if you think God does not condemn homosexuality with extreme fervor than you have never touched a Bible.
Did you miss this?
JCB READ THIS...EDUCATE YOURSELF!!!
CLICK HERE!!! (http://www.electricpride.com/spirituality/gaysandgod.html)
Originally posted by Fred
BINGO!
this isn't the famous "milking the prostate"? what IS it?
oh, and i'm also under the assumption that 1 of 10 people are gay. it's always fun to look around the restaurant or classroom and count. :)
Once that bad boy has been hit hard (repeatedly) by a big one- you're hooked!
JCB just sorta skipped right over my post - never got an answer - so I'll post again. I really want to know HOW he knows that gays choose to be gay. That's all I wanna know - how does he know? Is he gay? If so, did he "decide" he would be? Is is straight? If so - did he "decide" he would be straight when confronted with sexual orientation "decision time?" I don't understand. How can anyone who ISN'T gay profess to know this? Since when are we mind-readers? How are you so gifted JCB, that you KNOW that gays chose to be gay? Perhaps you don't know. Maybe you just suspect? Or maybe that's just what you want to believe cause YOU would never "choose" it? What? ante up.... I'm waiting.
Farmer- lighten up. he was raised just like the rest of us with a traditional Christian background, but has never allowed himself to get close to anyone gay. Even the biggest bigots change their tune if they really get to know someone gay. He is basing his thoughts on the Bible (which the Southern Baptists feel is error-free and directly passed down from God.) Had he bother to read the site that Mailman posted, his beliefs would have been shattered. He'll grow up eventually.
Farmer, I could use just about anything but I don't really need to go any farther than Biology class and sex ed. Sex is great for pleasure but its intent is reproduction. We can argue all we want but what it comes down to is men have dicks and women have vaginas for a reason, and it's not so we can invent dildoes and come up with new ways to fuck each other. So in answer to your question all I have to say is "look down."
Mrmailman I read your link and it is bullshit. Read the Bible man. Start with Genesis if you have to; or maybe go to the epistles written by Paul. You have to be pretty religiously ignorant to think God does not totally condemn homosexuality. In fact, almost all religions condemn it, one way or another.
You people are a bunch of ignorant hypocrites. You blast me for "hating" and "judging" when all you are doing is hating and judging me, and all I've done is express my views.
muff_spelunker
04-17-02, 08:44 AM
Originally posted by JCB
No man I am saying I was born with a dick and balls and that means I am attracted to someone with a vagina.
You might want to feel again...I'm female.
You stated that gays can help being gay. Thereby, you can help being heterosexual. You implied that gay people are gay by choice and are really hetero. The pendulum swings both ways. Same applies for you really being gay but choosing to be hetero.
Now do you see how stupid and shallow your argument is? Until you live the life, shut up.
jcb, i don't hate you. you just don't understand yet and i do think it's partially due to a lack of exposure.
gridfaniker
04-17-02, 08:49 AM
Lex, the cat in your avatar looks like it just swallowed a bad-tasting load or ate some bad pussy pussy. Is that cat gay?
Originally posted by gridfaniker
Lex, the cat in your avatar looks like it just swallowed a bad-tasting load or ate some bad pussy pussy. Is that cat gay? Don't you like my pussy Grid? You've not commented on my pussy damnit! My pussy looks wild, don't it? When's the last time you petted a wild pussy?
fred, yours looks like it's getting one of those fecal exams done.
BearBryant
04-17-02, 08:54 AM
I heard Atlanta has a bigger gay population than San Francisco now. Saw it on a TV show a few nights ago.
Captain Morgan
04-17-02, 08:57 AM
Originally posted by JCB
Farmer, I could use just about anything but I don't really need to go any farther than Bigotry class...
Originally posted by LarryD
fred, yours looks like it's getting one of those fecal exams done. LOL. How bizarre. That's not the face I make. Wanna hear a funny story? After finding out that our mother may have passed away with a genetic heart defect, my brother and i were basically forced to have a physical several years ago. My brother went first and said "you'll like this- he does a rectal" and made a nasty face at me. At the time, I was living with my lover (who claimed to be a total pitcher but liked to catch after a few beers but threatened to kill me if I told anyone. Being a gay cop but bad, but being a gay cop that got drilled was too 'below' him.) Anyway..... Needless to say, i was getting it at least once a day. So here my mind begins to wonder if the MD could "tell" when he did the prostate check. So, when my turn came, I bent over (after much protesting :D ) and clamped down harder than I have ever clamped down in my entire life. The MD did his thing and seconds later, I hear the glove snap, him go to the sink to wash his hands and just as I begin to breath a sigh of relief, he says ... "Well, at least you didn't tense up!"
Originally posted by JCB
Farmer, I could use just about anything but I don't really need to go any farther than Biology class and sex ed. Sex is great for pleasure but its intent is reproduction. We can argue all we want but what it comes down to is men have dicks and women have vaginas for a reason, and it's not so we can invent dildoes and come up with new ways to fuck each other. So in answer to your question all I have to say is "look down."
You people are a bunch of ignorant hypocrites. You blast me for "hating" and "judging" when all you are doing is hating and judging me, and all I've done is express my views.
So - what I'm reading is - the answer to "Do gays choose to be gay?" is this: "yes, look at their genitalia, of course they choose to be gay... "
Even you know that this answer is rediculous. What does that have to do with "choosing" to be gay. Answer - nothing. So - I still await a valid answer with some substance - something a little less based on your "opinion".... I mean, c'mon - you CHOSE to be straight cause you have a penis? Do you remember making that choice?
And as far as "hating" - I don't think you really hate gay people - you just don't like them - big diff - and OK by me... I hate lots of things and am proud of it too. I'll rant about this another time - but why is it NOT OK to hate something or someone? People are always saying "hate crime" this - and
erase the hate," blah, blah, blah... It won't be long until it will be illegal to hate ... which is BS - cause I'll hate all I damn well please....
but ANYWAY, get back to me when you have a real reason that people won't laugh at, if I were to use it....
I can sum up the whole debate in two words.
Who cares?
Originally posted by Fred
So, when my turn came, I bent over (after much protesting :D ) and clamped down harder than I have ever clamped down in my entire life. The MD did his thing and seconds later, I hear the glove snap, him go to the sink to wash his hands and just as I begin to breath a sigh of relief, he says ... "Well, at least you didn't tense up!"
loosey goosey!
Originally posted by LarryD
loosey goosey! Am not! I think he was just being a smart ass. I HOPE he was just being a smart ass.
boo-urns
04-17-02, 09:27 AM
has anyone ever seen a gay chinese person? i never have, do they exist?
slydevl
04-17-02, 09:43 AM
Has the Asian Prince been forgotten so soon?
boo-urns
04-17-02, 09:45 AM
Originally posted by slydevl
Has the Asian Prince been forgotten so soon?
whose that?
slydevl
04-17-02, 09:46 AM
Asian Prince (http://www.geocities.com/asianprince213/)
Originally posted by slydevl
I'm not looking for support from others. I didnt ask for it. They offered it. You try to lessen the fact that a large majority of the people on this board don't think very highly of you by trying to say that I take some kind of solace in it. I am merely pointing out what others have said without solicitation. The corner stone of every argument is evidence. My basic argument is that you are an ass. Therefor it would be negligent of me not to offer the readily available evidence. I do think its funny that everyone thinks you are an ass but am in no way desperately clinging to it.
I also think its funny that you cant let the matter drop while accusing me of not being able to let the matter drop. Just wanted to point out the irony that you are guilty of your own criticism.
What's the saying? People who live in glass houses should not throw stones? You are blind.
You came here specifically to attack me, and that's cool. I enjoy this sort of thing and will go at it as long as you need to. I'm like Wonder Woman, deflecting your frustration with my wristbands (and looking damn good in that outfit, I might add).
You've obviously got nothing of value to offer, so you've resorted to the "nobody likes you, so I'm right (about what, I don't know)" line of arguing. It's a copout, but if it works for you, I'm happy as well.
I am elated however, that you've manufactured a point you're trying to make.
Your stated point is (and I qoute): "My basic argument is that you are an ass."
Your primary evidence is (and I qoute again): "I am merely pointing out what others have said without solicitation. "
At least this is something I can address.
Let me start by saying that I will not even try to assess whether or not I truly am an ass. I don't know, nor do I care, and it's incredibly subjective anyway (I mean, an ass in America is normally very popular in France). I will simply address the evidence you present and it's relative validity. You seem to be saying that if the majority of people think something is true, then it must be. I'm sure that now that you see it in print, you'll claim that's wrong and try to revise it and I advise you to do so, but for now, that's what I've been presented with and that's what I'll address.
First, let's look at some of the things in general that the majority of American society embraces:
Yanni
Celine Deion
Backstreet Boys
Titanic
Moulin Rouge
WWF
Public Education
Daycare
etc, etc...
Given this, I think it's fair to say that if the majority of people think something is right or good, that doesn't necessarily mean it is. My personal experience indicates that if the majority like something, the best odds are that it sucks or will shortly. People like things because they are born followers and manipulated by marketing. Marketing and politics happens in every phase of society, and this board is no exception. My opinion is that if nearly everyone on this board thinks I'm an ass, it's either because I want them to, because they naturally follow those who they think wield influence here for fear of standing out as individuals, or because we simply approach this board in a different manner. I believe all are true here at varying times. Either way, I think it's safe to say that a majority vote does not prove anything. Recent terrorism and 9/11 prove that millions of people can be very, very wrong. If I'm not mistaken, there are more Muslims in the world right now than Christians. If that's the case, will you convert? There are a very few people on this board who I think know an ass from a hole in the ground, but the ones that I do think are actually worthy of respect or admiration I think quite highly of, and if anyone's opinion matters to me (and I'm not sure if it does in this forum), it's theirs, and not the opinion of the rest of the herd.
Finally, if I wanted everyone to like me, I could make them like me. It's very easy to do, and I certainly wouldn't have made it this far in my career based solely on my technical skills if I didn't know how. Basically, you have to be nice to people, swallow your opinion if you fear it unpopular, say a few outrageous things now and again that are not truly controversial or offensive to anyone you want to impress, and say "me too" when a topic comes up that the group seems to latch onto.
Please feel free to find some real evidence to support what is apparently an important point for you to try to make.
God what an asshole.
okay sly - where's my five bucks?
slydevl
04-17-02, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by Wossamotta U
God what an asshole.
okay sly - where's my five bucks?
How dare you call the Asian Prince an asshole. What's the five bucks for?
Captain Morgan
04-17-02, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by sadic1
I certainly wouldn't have made it this far in my career based solely on my technical skills if I didn't know how. Basically, you have to be nice to people, swallow...
Now we know how he earns that 6 figure salary we're all jealous of.
Originally posted by muff_spelunker
You might want to feel again...I'm female.
You stated that gays can help being gay. Thereby, you can help being heterosexual. You implied that gay people are gay by choice and are really hetero. The pendulum swings both ways. Same applies for you really being gay but choosing to be hetero.
Now do you see how stupid and shallow your argument is? Until you live the life, shut up.
No, I don't see how stupid it is. I refuse to resort to name-calling here, but COME ONNNNNN. It is natural for a guy, who has a penis, to be "aroused" when he sees a female, or when he comes in contact with what we like to call a vagina. How is that stupid? I am stating biological facts here. You guys are just mouthing off at me.
mramailman
04-17-02, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by JCB
Mrmailman I read your link and it is bullshit. Read the Bible man. Start with Genesis if you have to; or maybe go to the epistles written by Paul. You have to be pretty religiously ignorant to think God does not totally condemn homosexuality. In fact, almost all religions condemn it, one way or another.
Done JCB. I went to a Baptist Christian school from K-5 up to the 9th grade. I've read the Bible at least 3 times and don't remember seeing any of the Prophets or the Apostles, writing as intemediary from God, actively slamming homosexuality.
The school taught... no taught is not a good word .... let's try condemned it and programmed you to think that way.
You may want to bring up Sodom and Gamorah. Do you know the defintion of Sodomy. Well here it is sodomy
n : anal intercourse committed by a man with a man or woman
The Bible is a translated book. Translated from dead languages. If you want to to tell me that in 1611 say 1400 years after these languages were dead, that the scholars in England translated The Bible exactly to a T. That's bullshit.
Originally posted by p2k1f
jcb, one thing i can contradict with fact is that there is the same percentage of gays in the population today as there was in the '50's, the 20's, the 1800's, 1200, 1000bce. 11% of the pop is, was, and has always been gay. it's just that now they are telling people about it. also, in your first bible quote i find it interesting that god(singular) said let's create man in our(plural) image. wtf is that about.
See, the difference here is that I'm using biology and you are using speculation. You have NO IDEA what percentage of the population was gay in 1950, much less than 2000 BC.
About the Bible quote, I'm glad you asked. The Christian God is a Triune God--Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Three in one. That's why it's plural.
Also, how can you guys say I have not been exposed to gays? Again, speculation. I choose my friends and I don't have any that are gay; however, I do share a suite here in the dorms with an openly gay student and my neighbors back home, who paid me to cut their grass, are also openly gay. So it's not like I haven't seen them. Those are 2 examples.
Originally posted by slydevl
How dare you call the Asian Prince an asshole. What's the five bucks for?
Remember the PM?
The one where you asked me to call sadic an asshole.
Now gimme my dam five bucks - you cheap bastard.
Originally posted by JCB
Also, how can you guys say I have not been exposed to gays? Again, speculation. I choose my friends and I don't have any that are gay; however, I do share a suite here in the dorms with an openly gay student and my neighbors back home, who paid me to cut their grass, are also openly gay. So it's not like I haven't seen them. Those are 2 examples.
seeing is not exposure. i'm talking true interaction such as a friendship -- at least a healthy exchange of ideology. the more we know about one another, the more we realize how similar we are. don't focus on the differences.
slydevl
04-17-02, 10:17 AM
Originally posted by Wossamotta U
Remember the PM?
The one where you asked me to call sadic an asshole.
Now gimme my dam five bucks - you cheap bastard.
Can't you UNC fans do anything right? I said to call him an ignorant ass. You'll get nothing from me.
barracuda
04-17-02, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by LarryD
sorry that you are so narrow-minded, jcb. let me know if you ever want any help with that and i'll be glad to oblige.
how about you try and educate yourself on the subject. i think it would help. seriously, if you want my help -- just ask.
I know I'm not reading this correctly or I'm working my own interpolation into it be to funny Larry, BUT
Are you indicating you have had gay experiences?? :rolleyes: :D
Originally posted by mramailman
The Bible is a translated book. Translated from dead languages. If you want to to tell me that in 1611 say 1400 years after these languages were dead, that the scholars in England translated The Bible exactly to a T. That's bullshit.
Maybe so, and that's why I've always hesitated to use the Bible, but you guys were saying the Bible does not condemn homosexuality. Translation or not, it does. It's quite clear, actually:
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness." -Romans 1:18
and the apostle Paul continues writing the Romans...
"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the NATURAL USE of the woman, burned in their lust toward one another; men with men working that which is UNSEEMLY, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their ERROR which was meet." -Romans 1:26-27
It goes on to talk about other sins and how God recognized these as coming from people with "reprobate" minds and condemned them as being "filled with unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness (verse 29).." etc., etc.
So unfortunately we don't have the original Biblical transcript, but the above is from the King James version, the Bible's oldest active translation. I don't know if you think the Bible was originally written in Latin, but it wasn't. It was first written in Hebrew, then translated by the apostles to Greek, which is not a dead language.
Anyway, I think I proved my point..again.
Originally posted by LarryD
seeing is not exposure. i'm talking true interaction such as a friendship -- at least a healthy exchange of ideology. the more we know about one another, the more we realize how similar we are. don't focus on the differences.
I don't think I would have a problem being friends with someone who is gay, especially a woman, but like I said I choose my friends carefully; I don't think it's a good idea to have friends who believe so differently. If you're talking about an exchange of ideology, yes, I have had a gay person talk to me about their lifestyle and heard them attempt to justify their decisions. But no, I don't know any gays that I would really consider my friends.
who gives a shit what paul the woman hater said? the most important thing at that point was having more members. same as the go forth and be fruitful, they wanted more jews. no idiot would say that shit today, unless they were beyond reason.
In Paul's letters to the church - he spoke of the men turning FROM their women and unto one another (as would be unnatural for a heterosexual man to do) These were deviants in all manners of sexual escapades - not just this homo thing... This is still not condemning homosexuality. and you still haven't answered my question from above.
Well, you asked me to show you where it said in the Bible that God condemns gays. I did. And Paul was not a woman hater. What he said had nothing to do with being fruitful and multiplying. You think they were just trying to multiply? The technology did not exist in that age to support a large increase in population, as it did not exist in Europe during the Middle Ages. Saying God blasted the gays b/c he wanted humans to multiply, well that almost helps me prove my point!
If that isn't God condemning homosexuality, I don't know what is. Not everyone understands the Bible, that's beside the point. And I answered your question about 10 times. Just b/c I don't agree with you doesn't mean i didn't answer it.
damn. jcb wins.:D
Originally posted by JCB
I don't think I would have a problem being friends with someone who is gay, especially a woman, but like I said I choose my friends carefully; I don't think it's a good idea to have friends who believe so differently. If you're talking about an exchange of ideology, yes, I have had a gay person talk to me about their lifestyle and heard them attempt to justify their decisions. But no, I don't know any gays that I would really consider my friends.
like i said, folks are folks. a homosexually oriented person is as normal as you consider yourself to be. seriously. i could sit you down with dozens of folks and you couldn't pick out the gay ones unless you flat out asked them who they have sex with. you'd agree with them on politics, religion, finances, cars -- everything.
and why is it more acceptable for a woman to be gay? interesting.
Originally posted by barracuda
Are you indicating you have had gay experiences?
read back through the thread and you'll see where some of my education comes from.
Originally posted by Farmer
In Paul's letters to the church - he spoke of the men turning FROM their women and unto one another (as would be unnatural for a heterosexual man to do) These were deviants in all manners of sexual escapades - not just this homo thing... This is still not condemning homosexuality. and you still haven't answered my question from above.
He said nothing about heterosexuality or homosexuality. He said exactly what I posted; open a damn bible and look it up. He is speaking of men--plain, simple men--turning from their natural ways and lusting after one another. You cannot refute the argument without making stuff up.
boo-urns
04-17-02, 10:37 AM
are there any gay native american indians? I've never seen one, do they exist? Lou Diamond Phillips maybe?
how about gay aborigoneese(sp?) ( ie native Australains)?
muff_spelunker
04-17-02, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by JCB
No, I don't see how stupid it is. I refuse to resort to name-calling here, but COME ONNNNNN. It is natural for a guy, who has a penis, to be "aroused" when he sees a female, or when he comes in contact with what we like to call a vagina. How is that stupid? I am stating biological facts here. You guys are just mouthing off at me.
You still haven't responded to my point. You are gay and choose to be heterosexual. Yes? No?
I did NOT say you were stupid, just your argument.
Guess what? I don't have a penis and I get aroused when I see an attractive female or come into contact with another woman's body. No arousal with a man. 'splain dat!
meatpile
04-17-02, 10:39 AM
Originally posted by LarryD
and why is it more acceptable for a woman to be gay? interesting.
Patriarchy. Women are view as sex objects, so for them to fuck eachother is natural.
Originally posted by LarryD
like i said, folks are folks. a homosexually oriented person is as normal as you consider yourself to be. seriously. i could sit you down with dozens of folks and you couldn't pick out the gay ones unless you flat out asked them who they have sex with. you'd agree with them on politics, religion, finances, cars -- everything.
and why is it more acceptable for a woman to be gay? interesting.
I didn't say it was more acceptable, just that I'd be more comfortable. I am no less comfortable being with a girl who is attracted to me that I want nothing to do with than I am with a gay man who could possibly be attracted to me. And I don't doubt that I could agree with a gay man on politics, etc.--not religion though..but I could probably agree with a heroine addict on the same things. Not the best comparison, but you get the idea.
Originally posted by boo-urns
are there any gay native american indians?
i work right next to one. and you'd never know unless you asked.
Originally posted by JCB
I didn't say it was more acceptable, just that I'd be more comfortable. I am no less comfortable being with a girl who is attracted to me that I want nothing to do with than I am with a gay man who could possibly be attracted to me. And I don't doubt that I could agree with a gay man on politics, etc.--not religion though..but I could probably agree with a heroine addict on the same things. Not the best comparison, but you get the idea.
do you get my idea that who you have sex with is such a small part of a person's makeup that it shouldn't be a factor at all when it comes to forging a friendship?
Originally posted by muff_spelunker
You still haven't responded to my point. You are gay and choose to be heterosexual. Yes? No?
I did NOT say you were stupid, just your argument.
Guess what? I don't have a penis and I get aroused when I see an attractive female or come into contact with another woman's body. No arousal with a man. 'splain dat!
I don't doubt that gay people believe wholeheartedly that that's "just the way they are." That's one thing I won't argue with. Like I said, they are confused and I don't doubt that some people are more prone to homosexuality than others for reasons previously explained. And no, I did not choose to be heterosexual. I want what I want, and I want girls. It's been like that with me for as long as I can remember. Even way before puberty, I was holding hands with the little girls at school, not the boys. I did so for the same reason that if a snake suddenly jumped out at me right now, I would jump back--natural tendencies.
Boy talk about the energizer bunny of threads.
Originally posted by LarryD
do you get my idea that who you have sex with is such a small part of a person's makeup that it shouldn't be a factor at all when it comes to forging a friendship?
Again, I never said gays were "evil," even if God did. I see what you're saying but you know that it is more than who you have sex with. It's what that person believes about themselves and how they view their own being. Keep in mind that I am arguing that being gay is a choice, not something you can't help. I'm not trying to argue that gays are bad people.
Originally posted by JCB
I don't doubt that gay people believe wholeheartedly that that's "just the way they are." That's one thing I won't argue with. Like I said, they are confused and I don't doubt that some people are more prone to homosexuality than others for reasons previously explained. And no, I did not choose to be heterosexual. I want what I want, and I want girls. It's been like that with me for as long as I can remember. Even way before puberty, I was holding hands with the little girls at school, not the boys. I did so for the same reason that if a snake suddenly jumped out at me right now, I would jump back--natural tendencies.
i think i see where you're coming from and i'll admit that i've seen some folks "act gay" because they liked to be liked and the gay crowd provided them withan instant community that accepted them -- even if they were living a lie.
can you accept that there may be one gay person in the history of the planet that was just "born gay"?
slydevl
04-17-02, 10:47 AM
Lets just say we all agreed with you and said the Bible condemns homosexuality. A strong case can indeed be made that it does. Can you show me where in the Bible that it says the sin of homosexuality is any worse than any other sin. Yes it might say that it is a sin but where does it say that it is worse than lying, stealing, etc. Heck its not even one of the big 10 really. Now I am sure you have lied, stolen, had impure thoughts, etc in your life. What makes you think you are any better than a gay person. Sin is sin. If you ask for forgiveness you will be saved.
Very true, Sly. I won't argue with any of that.
The Bible actually says that no sin is worse than another in God's eyes. I don't really have the time to find it now, but I can later if you want. That actually means that murder is no worse than shoplifting, at least not to God.
Larry, what I don't get is why gays often try to bring this so-called hatred on themselves. Is it a plea for attention? Fred for example created a thread in which he claims that I have been sending him private messages inquiring about his sexuality, and since everyone hates me now, they probably believe him. I don't really care, but why would someone like Fred do that if he thought it might piss me off? That's like begging me to insult him just so he can gain the sympathy of others.
I got to go so I won't be able to reply for a while.
TommyBoy
04-17-02, 11:08 AM
Gays don't annoy me Fred. You do.
Originally posted by TommyBoy
Gays don't annoy me Fred. You do.
TommyBoy gets it. Explain it to JCB.
TommyBoy
04-17-02, 11:14 AM
Originally posted by LarryD
TommyBoy gets it. Explain it to JCB.
Some lifting is even too heavy for me.
well I have jcb on ignore but thanks to larry continually quoting him I get to read the ignorant blather anyway.
As far as natural tendencies - so jcb you used to always hold the little girl's hands? So that proves all men are naturally heterosexual?
So what if a little boy always wants to hold the little boys hands?
My neighbor until I was 8 years old wa sthe resident sissy at the age of five. Never played ball. Played with dolls. He would try to kiss the boys and got pummelled for it but good.
Of course he is gay (and he is a good friend). Do you really think this five year old child decided one day while coloring in his coloring book that he wanted to be gay?
I guess once he got older and knew what gay meant he could have seen the error of his wicked ways and made the heterosexual choice - but THAT decsion is the one that would have been "against his nature". And it is THAT decision that many gay people make in their teen years only to many years later, sometimes after marrying and raising children, realize that they made the "unnatural" choice.
I can't speak for her but I imagine Larry's Mom ( and probably Fred) fit into that category.
It is this enlightenment and acceptance that is increasing the gay population. More young people are understanding that they will be accepted more today if they just be who they really are instead of living a lie and dragging others along with them.
Too bad I won't read your response - unless Larry decides to quote it for me.
Originally posted by JCB
As for Christianity, I certainly don't believe or care for it all but I believe God created the world, rather than evolution, because I think the human body is far too complex to have just "happened to exist."
Wow, for someone who doesn't believe in christianity you brought up or discussed the bible 11 times so far in this thread. Plus, you attacked mutliple people for being closed minded, while saying that you as a single person are more open minded than us. All the while saying that what your parents taught you is the RIGHT thing. How again are we narrow minded?? And, muff pretty much stuck you with the arousal thing. But, i'm sure you'll find a non-christian way to bring up the bible for the 12th time in this thread.
barracuda
04-17-02, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by LarryD
read back through the thread and you'll see where some of my education comes from.
OK I was trying to get the COLES NOTES version, I don't know if I have enough time or desire to read this whole thread... the subject doesn't interest me that much :cool:
barracuda
04-17-02, 12:33 PM
Originally posted by muff_spelunker
You still haven't responded to my point. You are gay and choose to be heterosexual. Yes? No?
I did NOT say you were stupid, just your argument.
Guess what? I don't have a penis and I get aroused when I see an attractive female or come into contact with another woman's body. No arousal with a man. 'splain dat!
BUT have you ever had a CANADIAN MAN :rofl: :rofl: :laugh2:
slydevl
04-17-02, 01:06 PM
Originally posted by barracuda
OK I was trying to get the COLES NOTES version, I don't know if I have enough time or desire to read this whole thread... the subject doesn't interest me that much :cool:
Damn Canadians can't even do Cliff Notes right
Originally posted by WYDD
Wow, for someone who doesn't believe in christianity you brought up or discussed the bible 11 times so far in this thread. Plus, you attacked mutliple people for being closed minded, while saying that you as a single person are more open minded than us. All the while saying that what your parents taught you is the RIGHT thing. How again are we narrow minded?? And, muff pretty much stuck you with the arousal thing. But, i'm sure you'll find a non-christian way to bring up the bible for the 12th time in this thread.
You aren't even reading my posts. I used to think you were smart. I admitted to being narrow-minded, suggesting that that might not be a bad thing, and I criticized you for being open-minded, suggesting that that might not be a good thing. No one has stuck me, and you know that. No one has presented a decent contradiction to anything I have posted; instead, everyone is resorting to personal insults (except Larry; thanks) because that's what people will do when they run out of solid arguments.
Originally posted by LarryD
TommyBoy gets it. Explain it to JCB.
Gays don't annoy me. Fred isn't smart enough to annoy me, and if he was, his being gay wouldn't have anything to do with it. What annoys me is people who try to defend them without having a damn clue what they're talking about--people like whoever it was who said the Bible didn't condemn gays. And people who try to insult others just for the hell of it--because they dont know enough about the topic to contribute rationally--all the while their head stuck way up their ass (i.e. WYDD).
Keep in mind I'm not talking about you here Larry, because you for one are being pretty rational. However, don't you realize that your mom being gay pretty much prevents you from holding an unbiased opinion? That is, if you love and care for your mother the way you seem to?
barracuda
04-17-02, 01:33 PM
Originally posted by lex
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i dont know, guys, maybe i am just too sensitive or even judgmental. i try not to be. i hate some of the comments i read here. made as a joke or not, i think we should still think and act like responsible adults. what has become of us
What? This is a discussion board where people can express their feelings and yes poke fun at different topics, who ever said we needed to be responsible adults to participate in this type of forum.
What about your First Amendment "Free Speech"
Originally posted by lex
how dare us make these callous comments! now there is hate added to the hate that is already in existence! i know the intent of this thread is not to breed hate. i understand and want to believe that. i also feel we have done some of our fellow posters a great injustice. how dare some of us make those insensitive comments about this subject and about each other! i am part of this too, and i dont mind saying that i hate it!
what can I say... see above comment
- I don't think there was any hate involved here!
- About insensitive comments, I thought Meat was funny and added just the right amount of levity to this thread
HO and I see you have the sneezing pussy avatar again; it does look a little funny.
:D
Alright, I'm not posting on this topic anymore. Whether or not anyone agrees with me, it is quite obvious that I have made you all think. I'd rather you be pissed off me than not think anything of me at all. For people like Wossa that just choose to ignore me, well, people can't always hear what they want to hear and ignorance really is bliss. I contend that only in a world that's gotten this shitty could people say that homosexuality is normal and keep a straight face. Sin is sin; we are all terribly guilty of it one way or another. The difference is some of us choose not to justify it.
:xyzwave:
nah, i don't have my head up my ass, i'm simply looking at some of the hypocricies of your argument. And from what i've seen, the ONLY reason you have for people "choosing" to be gay is that you have a penis and women have a vagina. That's not attacking you. You say you'll start at biology class, ok, what did you learn? I'm not sure you ever said. Just because i called you out on your obvious flip flopping over the bible and that being a reason to riducule homosexuals doesn't mean i have my head up my ass. But, since every one on this thread has ripped you a new asshole, you might as well "choose" to become gay.
muff_spelunker
04-17-02, 01:52 PM
Originally posted by JCB
I want what I want, and I want girls. It's been like that with me for as long as I can remember. Even way before puberty, I was holding hands with the little girls at school, not the boys. I did so for the same reason that if a snake suddenly jumped out at me right now, I would jump back--natural tendencies.
Me too! So why is me liking women any different from you liking women? Because I'm female? Gimme a break.
Selected statements made by JCB in this thread
I think the lifestyle is just plain stupid.
Saying that gay people can't help that they're gay just sounds really dumb to me.
It is impossible to be naturally attracted to the same sex.
I just don't think the lifestyle should be accepted the way it is today.
THEY ARE LOST AND CONFUSED.
I'm not taking issue with them being gay anymore, I'm taking issue with you guys being "open-minded."
Why are so many gays in the closet? Because they realize that it is disgusting and UNNATURAL.
If you think God does not condemn homosexuality with extreme fervor than you have never touched a Bible.
You people are a bunch of ignorant hypocrites.
I choose my friends and I don't have any that are gay.
I don't doubt that I could agree with a gay man on politics, etc.--not religion though.
What I don't get is why gays often try to bring this so-called hatred on themselves. Is it a plea for attention?
Gays don't annoy me.
Don't you realize that your mom being gay pretty much prevents you from holding an unbiased opinion?
I contend that only in a world that's gotten this shitty could people say that homosexuality is normal and keep a straight face.
you hopped all over the place here, and i didn't even include the part about you killing any gay man that hit on you because you said you were joking. you most definately are not just talking about it being a choice. you are homophobic.
jcb, pretending that people are NOT born gay is the problem. you really need to forget the bible and accept the emperical evidence here. if you wnat to talk about creationism, then how do you explain homosexuality in the animal kingdom?
larry, remember one thing here, jcb doesn't believe in or worship the christian religion. Yet brings up sin, god, and bible verses. All religons have some sort of god, so why not quote their spirutual books as well as the bible. The funny thing here is that all he is saying is that homosexuality is a choice. What does that have to do with sinning, the bible etc?? JCB, all you given us is the vague statement "gays choose to be gay." What have you backed that up with? Hell, you might sway me jcb. I may see what you are talking about, but saying that "i held girl's hands when i was 5" isn't gonna win you much. You aren't looking to be a lawyer when you graduate are you?
I bet most gay people come out of the closet because they are claustrophobic.
slydevl
04-17-02, 02:31 PM
Originally posted by LarryD
animal kingdom?
I wouldnt bring the animal kingdom into the argument larry. Animals practice rape, incest, murder, and cannibalism (not to mention beastiality :D ) Should we accept these as normal because animals do them?
Ah yes, the animal argument. I guess I can't leave just yet.
There is no such thing as homosexual behavior in animals. The Discovery Channel would have a field day with something like that! Anyway...animals don't do it because it doesn't procreate and therefore is not natural. Also, I don't have to use the creation argument, either. The evolutionary purpose of sex is for the propogation of the species; therefore, homosexuality is not a natural act. So you see, it isn't just conservative "Christians" that agree with what I'm saying.
WYDD, sorry for the insults but I don't think I lost my credibility with the Bible thing. I was merely refuting whoever it was that said God doesn't condemn Christianity. Just because I don't do everything the Bible says doesn't mean I don't know what's in it. Even the devil can quote scripture to suit his own purposes.
But go ahead, call me a homophobe, a bigot, narrow-minded, ignorant--someone even asked me what I thought about Jews! They say you know you've stumped them when they resort to name-calling.
Peace.
cltbuilder
04-17-02, 03:12 PM
Sorry about what I said last night guys....I realize that most of you were on the side of intellegence and understanding and at least, compassion.
For all of you that want to know what it's like, let me tell you a story.
I grew up in a small town in SC where the population was less than the high school I attended. From a very early age I was taught in the ways of the Southern Baptists and was raised to live my life accordingly. When I was 12, my best friend and I began fooling around and doing things that I had been taught was wrong. Two years later, it came to an end and I rarely thought about it again. When I was in high school I fell in love with the girl that sat in front of me in Chemistry. We never dated because her quarterback boyfriend would have beaten the shit out of me. I never dated and was constantly called fag and queer throughout jr high and high school. When I graduated, I met a girl and we dated for 5 months. The next one lasted three months. She dumped me to go back to her boyfriend that she was using to cheat on her husband. I was honestly attracted to all of these women for some reason or another. Only one of those relationships turned sexual and that's the reason it ended. I could no longer find myself aroused unless I used her father for inspiration.
I finished community college and at the age of 21, I moved to Charlotte to get my degree at UNCC. The first day, I met my best friend for the next 3 years and we went everywhere together and did almost everything as buddies. He was like my brother. He dated and told me I should find someone too. I realized that it wouldn't happen because I couldn't find the ONE I wanted. Through 3 years of college I did not date. I spent my nights alone until I met Adrianne. She was a funky little chick that had tattoos and piercings and I was the clean cut momma's boy without a clue. We got to know each other by walking to class and spending our evenings sitting on her bed talking. One night she asked me if I had ever been with another guy. Suprisingly, I told her yes. Nothing more was said until she introduced me to her girlfriend. One night I was having trouble sleeping so I walked over to her apartment and knocked on the door. She welcomed me in and we started our normal chatter when she stopped, looked at me and asked, "Are you gay?" Never having been asked that before, I didn't have an answer. But before the night was through, I knew completely what I had known for many years. A few weeks later, we were walking back from somewhere and I looked at her and asked, "You want to fuck?" "Sure."
We went back to my place and it was without a doubt the worst experience of my life. Nothing could get me hard even though it had been almost 4 years since my last session. I had used her to prove it to me. I cried all night and told her I didn't want this. I never wanted it. I never thought I'd make it.
Wanting to tell my best friend, I worried about what he would say. Four months later he came home on morning to find a letter on his bed and my room empty. I stopped by to see him that afternoon at work and his eyes looked like he had been crying all day. He had talked to his parents and decided that he could not be my friend anymore for having lied about something I did not realize about myself. That was bad. I was depressed and considered a lot of things I would never consider today.
I still drift away from time to time and it takes something like my trip to San Diego to realize what I am all about and who I really am. I wasn't swayed or convinced. I am who I am because of the things that have happened in my life. Some of those things happened before I was born, some after. Either way, I am.
But I'll be god-dammned if I'll let someone that has no fucking clue about what it's like to finally know that you're gay tell me how I should or should not be just so his/her pathetic life can be made better. So, unless you can offer tolerance to me and those like me, you'd best not expect anything more than indignation and animosity towards your ideas and thoughts. You get what you give. That's life.
There is no such thing as homosexual behavior in animals. JCB
George Carlin's cat used to hump his dog. They were both male.
meatpile
04-17-02, 03:31 PM
I've fucked plenty of guy animals.
That's a touching story builder. Takes a lot of guts to come clean with yourself. Screw everybody else.
barracuda
04-17-02, 03:31 PM
Originally posted by slydevl
Damn Canadians can't even do Cliff Notes right
In Canada we get Coles Notes for our English classes.:p
boo-urns
04-17-02, 03:34 PM
so builder...if modern science discoverd gene therapy or something to make you straight...would you do it?
cltbuilder
04-17-02, 03:37 PM
Hell no. Why'd I spend this much time trying to figure out men only to have to turn the other cheek and try to figure out women? Please...I feel sorry for you straight men. Women are evil sometimes. :D And they don't mind fucking with your heads.
boo-urns
04-17-02, 03:40 PM
what about...if you ever had a child and it was determined that they would be gay through some pre-birth test...would you give your child gene therapy to make them straight?
thanks, builder.
you are the man.
cltbuilder
04-17-02, 03:42 PM
No. Because I think that gay people need someone to look up to. I found mine in my friends, people like Fred. And for a child to have been blessed with gay parents if it were scientifically possible to determine the child's orientation before birth would be loved and nurtured and probably be the greatest person to grace the face of the earth.
Booo.....Why do I feel like this is a beauty pageant Q&A? Fred would be much better at these than me. :D
Originally posted by slydevl
Animals practice rape, incest, murder, and cannibalism (not to mention beastiality. Should we accept these as normal because animals do them?
yes. we have a moral code that prevents us from engaging in most of these acts in a civilized society. all i ask is that we admit that if it's something that an animal does, then choice has nothing to do in the matter.
In the approximately 1,000 to 3,000 species whose behavior has been well researched and described in the literature, approximately 450 have been shown to have clear homosexual behaviors.*
*--Bruce Bahemihl, Ph.D., Biological Exhuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity, St. Martin's Press, 2000, page 35
sorry, jcb.
According to a translation from Hebrew to Latin to Greek and finally Italian, there actually is a point system to sins committed.
1. Committing adultry 2/4 points..depending if you get caught
2. Lying 3/6points..depending what you are lying about. Golf scores only 1 point
3. Stealing 8 points..almost unforgivable..unless it is food..then only 1 point
4. murder 10 points..can't take god's role
5. saying Godd.... 10+.."he'll" talk to you about that one
6.
7.
8.
9.
10. Homosexuality no points..god's perfect
I couldn't decipher all the points..my Italian is not great. How about some help here.
i'm afraid to do bad things and hurt people because it will embarass my ancestors in the spirit and make me ashamed to turn to them, making me distant from the spirit, which in turn makes me unhappy. i also try to realize they have the same feelings i do. sometimes i forget. i'm afraid of breaking a commitment i make to 'god', because once you lie, how can you be trusted. now jcb, i find it to be ridiculous to be afraid of god for being myself, no matter what that means, as long as i'm not hurting anyone. god is much larger than i, so if i can accept people for being themselves, i'm sure that 'god' can also. remember the types of people jesus hung out with and the types he stood against before throwing around judgement. i'm obvoulsly not christian, but am a fan of jesus, and can't remember ever reading anything he said about homosexuality.
ps- i don't think jesus would come out and say it, but i'm pretty sure he'ld think you were an idiot. remember that the kingdom is inside of every person thing he talked about.
What some liberal scientist claims to have observed is not grounds for proof. Sorry. People see what they want to see. That scientist was probably looking for anything and everything that he could claim as homosexual behavior. Dogs will hump a wall or a piece of wood if they have to. How do you know this scientist wasn't observing one animal, say a dog maybe, just humping another male dog's leg or licking the other dog's face or something? Hell, Russian men kiss each other for greeting. This is considered homosexual behavior to us but not to them. Animals do not fuck their own gender because animals live by instinct, and if their instincts told them to fuck other male dogs, they would not procreate. When a dog/porcupine/orungataun gets in heat, he doesn't go looking for other male dogs or porcupines, but for females. Sorry man, you'll have to do better than that.
cltbuilder
04-17-02, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by JCB
Sorry. People see what they want to see.
Damn....did you really say that?
muff_spelunker
04-17-02, 08:45 PM
Originally posted by barracuda
BUT have you ever had a CANADIAN MAN :rofl: :rofl: :laugh2:
well damn, 'cuda. who knew that YOU were the guy to turn all the lesbians straight?!?! you'd better get busy, boy.
LPBEAR55
04-17-02, 09:00 PM
Hey Fred,
Did you say anything to JCB that would make him turn on you like that?
Originally posted by LPBEAR55
Hey Fred,
Did you say anything to JCB that would make him turn on you like that?
MOI? :angel:
HO and I see you have the sneezing pussy avatar again; it does look a little funny.
think and do what you will. it is a free country. like you, i too am free to post whatever observation i might have. i will call it as i see it, like everyone here is allowed to do. you have your opinion and i have mine. :)
yeah, my sneezing pussy is funny. sure. i happen to like it and am proud of it. maybe you are annoyed by it? annoyed by me? maybe you were not being honest before when i asked you if i ruffled your feathers that time? again, i am sorry if i did. i was just putting my 2 cents in like you were, same way i am doing here on this thread! glad my avatar amuses you.
your guppy avatar is really nice! very nice. that is a barracuda, right? clever avatar. barracuda for a name and a barracuda as an avatar. not lame at all. an excellent choice! :rolleyes:
Originally posted by JCB
What some liberal scientist claims to have observed is not grounds for proof. Sorry. People see what they want to see. That scientist was probably looking for anything and everything that he could claim as homosexual behavior. Dogs will hump a wall or a piece of wood if they have to. How do you know this scientist wasn't observing one animal, say a dog maybe, just humping another male dog's leg or licking the other dog's face or something? Hell, Russian men kiss each other for greeting. This is considered homosexual behavior to us but not to them. Animals do not fuck their own gender because animals live by instinct, and if their instincts told them to fuck other male dogs, they would not procreate. When a dog/porcupine/orungataun gets in heat, he doesn't go looking for other male dogs or porcupines, but for females. Sorry man, you'll have to do better than that.
sigh.
you just showed your true colors by saying that this guy is a liberal. you are obviously biased and not open to seeing the truth.
i wish i could further engage you, but this has been rendered an effort in futility.
all i ask is that you think twice before gay bashing. please. those folks are someone's brother, father, cousin, sister, or enven mother. they hurt just as badly and as easily as you do. please do not take pleasure in their pain.
Originally posted by LarryD
i work right next to one. and you'd never know unless you asked.
I knew there was something strange about Scott Fowler.
Sorry, I couldn't not.
Kakia69
07-07-02, 09:33 PM
that once they meet a guy, two weeks later it's so serious that the word "committment" comes into play...as well as the word "future"...AND once they are in an extremely serious relationship, they don't make time for their friends.
voyergirl
07-07-02, 10:05 PM
wow kakia this was a huge bump lol
Originally posted by Kakia69
that once they meet a guy, two weeks later it's so serious that the word "committment" comes into play...as well as the word "future"...AND once they are in an extremely serious relationship, they don't make time for their friends.
hummmm- sounds like a lot of women I know.
voyergirl
07-08-02, 06:48 AM
Originally posted by Kakia69
that once they meet a guy, two weeks later it's so serious that the word "committment" comes into play...as well as the word "future"...AND once they are in an extremely serious relationship, they don't make time for their friends.
this sounds like a personal dig to me................................
Originally posted by voyergirl
this sounds like a personal dig to me................................ sometimes in life- you just have to consider the source.
voyergirl
07-08-02, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by Fred
sometimes in life- you just have to consider the source.
i think i understand :(
gladhatter
07-09-02, 12:18 AM
What Annoys You About Gay People?
What doesn't?
Originally posted by gladhatter
What Annoys You About Gay People?
What doesn't? Ah what do you know- you live in Japan! :rolleyes:
slydevl
07-09-02, 10:35 AM
The Japanese are tremendous bigots. He has probably learned alot.
cltbuilder
07-09-02, 10:42 AM
I suppose. i never knew a Japanese.
voyergirl
07-09-02, 10:47 AM
yet i have video of japanese people who are eating poop, no i'd rather watch two guys go at it than see that scat eating......go for it builder!!!!!! i'll take a gay video anyday!
mramailman
07-10-02, 11:03 AM
Nothing really
cltbuilder
07-10-02, 11:07 AM
Try this on for size mailman....
mramailman
07-10-02, 11:11 AM
i'll pass
cltbuilder
07-10-02, 11:28 AM
yup...again
mattarific
10-04-02, 03:32 AM
this thread is pretty old, but im fairly new here so i was reading it tonight and have come to realize a few things............
apparently igronance really is bliss, right jcb???
you know the funny thing about the bible?? you can realistically make it say whatever you want. if you want it to say god hates gays then you can.....i even heard an interview with these guys who said the bible proved jesus was black and could quote passages to back up there claim.......
does god hate gays.....dont know, but i always thought that he loved everyone.
is jesus black......dont know, never met the guy
what i do know is life is short. its too short for me to spend my time thinking up reasons to hate people. someone once told me that if everyone was the same then a lot less of us would be neccesary, so be thankful everyones different. besides think how boring it would be if we were all the same.
Originally posted by mattarific
what i do know is life is short. its too short for me to spend my time thinking up reasons to hate people nicely said Matt.
Coops Greatest Fan
10-05-02, 01:40 PM
Although I've been on the board for a little while now, this is the first time I've actually sat down and read this thread. (I guess that's what being at work and being board out of your mind can give you the time to do things like this.)
I guess the thing I have to say is I know people who are gay and although I personally am not gay, I still respect them as a human being. I have a friend who was involved in an interracial relationship. Her BF was the coolest person and was very caring for her. My mom one day asked me if I ever thought of dating a black man. I said no I hadn't thought about it, but if I did decide to date one, she would still love me for who I am. I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't care what people are or what they aren't as long as they're not trying to push their feelings/thoughts/etc on me. I am who I am and people respect me for that. I also do the same to them!!
turfman
10-06-02, 12:46 AM
Not a thing bothers me about gay people. I have an employee that anytime, she gets in trouble or does something wrong , she acuses management of picking on her because of her sexual preference. No one ever brings it up. She is the one who is always talking about who she is and why she is gay. I think she has issues with herself becasue everyone else I know that is gay are very cool to hang out with and talk to. Sorry if I offended anyone.
LushBoobs
10-07-02, 07:27 AM
I love gay people. What bugs me is the same things that bugs me about straight people - disliking another group becauseof their sex. I've encountered a few gay men who clearly loathe women, and I think that is lame. No one wants to be hated or judged for who they are, and people who are gay are at the top of that list - but then some men who are gay hate women. Although i haven't encountered it, I'm sure some gay women also strongly dislike men, it just seems somewhat ironic to me.
gay people for the most part are great friends, open minded and fun... although some can be very opinionated and set in their ways. I have a lot of gay friends, they're fabulous!
Originally posted by turfman
I have an employee that anytime, she gets in trouble or does something wrong , she acuses management of picking on her because of her sexual preference. No one ever brings it up. She is the one who is always talking about who she is and why she is gay. A lot of gay people have nothing else going for them in their life and it's human nature to be proud of something. So they pick the thing that makes them different/unique that the norm. Most straight folks have spouses or kids that they can talk about and be proud of. Sometimes, people just fall back on all they have.
Originally posted by LushBoobs
.. although some can be very opinionated and set in their ways. ... NO! Say it ain't so! ;)
PantherPaul
11-08-02, 12:45 AM
Dennis Miller said it best. "Why hate a person because of his religion, sex, sexual orientation or ethnic background. Get to know him and you'll find out all kind of things to hate"
Originally posted by PantherPaul
Dennis Miller said it best. "Why hate a person because of his religion, sex, sexual orientation or ethnic background. Get to know him and you'll find out all kind of things to hate"
Come on Paul, the thread isn't about hating gay people, it's about what annoys you about gay people. You're whimping out. For me it's flaming fags, I'd rather see a guy just out and out cross dress and pull off the whole woman thing. But to wander around acting all faggy really makes me grate my teeth. That and biker queers in leather and chains kissing in public eeeeewwwwww. These are a few of my favorite things.
builder
11-12-02, 09:29 PM
Originally posted by VOR
. That and biker queers in leather and chains kissing in public eeeeewwwwww. These are a few of my favorite things.
:bird6: I'm gonna have to join the leathermen's club here now cause of that statement.
as long as you don't wander around like pam anderson tonguing your BF in public I could give a shitl, If I see you doing that on the sidewalk I'll probably blow lunch all over your expensive gay biker getup.
PantherPaul
11-13-02, 08:05 PM
Ok this should piss a few off. I don't think we should have specific laws to protect homosexuals. I mean is it any more of a crime if a homosexual gets beaten up than if a chinese man or a black man gets beatup? Enforce the laws that are already on the books. Oh and for the record, I hate Christopher Lowell. That hyperactive fem-man and his cheesy beard is so flaming it makes my skin crawl
hell yeah that's more like it paul.
Originally posted by PantherPaul
I don't think we should have specific laws to protect homosexuals. I mean is it any more of a crime if a homosexual gets beaten up than if a chinese man or a black man gets beatup? There are NO laws to protect JUST homos. If you beat up a gay person because he/she is gay- that is a hate crime. But if you beat up a chinese person or a black person just because they are chinese or black- that is ALSO considered a hate crime.
builder
11-14-02, 03:29 PM
Originally posted by PantherPaul
[BOh and for the record, I hate Christopher Lowell. That hyperactive fem-man and his cheesy beard is so flaming it makes my skin crawl [/B]
Me too. I'd like to send him into the Afghani caves....Bin Laden will give up.
hasbeens99
11-14-02, 11:53 PM
Gay people don’t annoy me at all. Some of the actions taken by some people annoy me, but that isn’t exclusive to any particular demographic. What does annoy me is when groups of people who share a commonality try to make themselves ‘exclusive’, especially with an implication of being either superior or martyred. The various associations of people I see that glorify themselves for their commonality are what annoy me. The KKK annoys me. The Rainbow Coalition annoys me. The Nation of Islam annoys me. (note: Muslims do not annoy me. Louis Farrakhan’s actions and agenda annoy me.) Gay Rights groups annoy me. Aryan brotherhood groups annoy me.
I am all about equality in its truest form. It’s what I believe in, and not only that it’s Biblical. What enables me to think that way is my belief that one’s actions do not define who they are, nor do they determine one’s value. That’s Biblical, too.
Like Larry said, “folks are folks”. In my understanding, God’s playing field is level. There are no favorites anymore.
It annoys me when someone spouts off proclaiming absolutes out of ignorance. I believe there are a lot fewer known absolutes than many would like to admit.
What truly pisses me off is when people (whether it’s me, or someone else) slander God and/or Jesus. I charge anyone (and I too am subject) who would claim to know the character and will of God to make absolutely certain you’re telling the truth. If you’re not sure, say you’re not sure!
That being said, here are my responses to JCB.
The argument that God hates homosexuals is absolutely ludicrous. But, it’s just as ludicrous to say God doesn’t mind homosexual behavior. That precedent is laid out in the Old Testament, and upheld in the New Testament. This is not a shock to anyone. I’m not going to tell you I understand all the reasons why, but I didn’t set the precedent, either. The way I see it, anyone who has a problem with that can take it up with God. He can handle it.
One of the greatest gifts we’ve been given is free will. The ability to choose. Being Americans (or living in a Western culture), we experience that gift to a higher degree than most of the rest of the world. My theory – not absolute truth – about whether or not homosexuals are born or made is this: Generally speaking, I believe the human anatomy would suggest the ‘default setting’ is hetero. However, sex is much much more than procreation. There are the undeniable aspects of pleasure and bonding that go with it. Something happens when two people make love that is unexplainable. Even the Bible calls it a mystery. My point is, even though procreation obviously cannot result from a homosexual union, the other two parts of sex can, and I believe often does. I’ll even concede there is a possibility that homosexual sex may even be MORE pleasurable than straight sex, generally speaking of course. To be completely honest, I’m afraid to find out. Let’s be honest – by definition, sins are tempting because they have some attractive quality. I struggle enough as it is with temptation. I certainly don’t need to add anything to it. But some people, once they’ve had that experience, may never long for anything else.
Whether people are born gay or not is a mystery to me. I would say that there are many people who are born with homosexual desires, but I also think many choose homosexuality as a result of a traumatic experience, usually in their childhood: being raped or molested, especially by a family member; being repeatedly rejected by women/men; etc. Again, I’m not stating this as fact. It’s just a theory I happen to agree with. I could be very, very wrong.
I also believe it is not mine, nor any other Christian’s position to stand in judgment over others, regardless of their choices. I leave the judging up to God. He’s much better equipped for it than I am. My job is to show others His love for them through me. That’s a job I try to do my best at. I don’t always succeed, but I do try.
As for the TBR members who have chosen the gay lifestyle, Fred and I have talked about a number of things, and I consider him a friend; Builder and I have chatted on a thread or two, but the truth is I don’t know him that well, but I’d like to; Muff, you and I haven’t talked much at all, but I’d like to get to know you. The same goes for any others out there who might be lurking. After all, isn't that what a message board is for? :D
builder
11-17-02, 09:58 AM
Originally posted by hasbeens99
The same goes for any others out there who might be lurking. After all, isn't that what a message board is for? :D
There are others here. Fred, Muff, and I know who they are, for the most part. They chose not to reveal their sexuality not because of fear, but because as a part of a serious discussion, they'd rather not have someone step in and call them a "fag" and have the rest of the board dismiss their comments because of some juvenile action. Me, I don't give a shit. I encourage it at times. But when the conversation does turn serious, it'd be nice to be taken serious without having that issue turn the argument against me.
Originally posted by hasbeens99
Gay people don’t annoy me at all. Some of the actions taken by some people annoy me, but that isn’t exclusive to any particular demographic. What does annoy me is when groups of people who share a commonality try to make themselves ‘exclusive’, especially with an implication of being either superior or martyred. The various associations of people I see that glorify themselves for their commonality are what annoy me. The KKK annoys me. The Rainbow Coalition annoys me. The Nation of Islam annoys me. (note: Muslims do not annoy me. Louis Farrakhan’s actions and agenda annoy me.) Gay Rights groups annoy me. Aryan brotherhood groups annoy me.
I am all about equality in its truest form. It’s what I believe in, and not only that it’s Biblical. What enables me to think that way is my belief that one’s actions do not define who they are, nor do they determine one’s value. That’s Biblical, too.
Like Larry said, “folks are folks”. In my understanding, God’s playing field is level. There are no favorites anymore.
It annoys me when someone spouts off proclaiming absolutes out of ignorance. I believe there are a lot fewer known absolutes than many would like to admit.
What truly pisses me off is when people (whether it’s me, or someone else) slander God and/or Jesus. I charge anyone (and I too am subject) who would claim to know the character and will of God to make absolutely certain you’re telling the truth. If you’re not sure, say you’re not sure!
That being said, here are my responses to JCB.
The argument that God hates homosexuals is absolutely ludicrous. But, it’s just as ludicrous to say God doesn’t mind homosexual behavior. That precedent is laid out in the Old Testament, and upheld in the New Testament. This is not a shock to anyone. I’m not going to tell you I understand all the reasons why, but I didn’t set the precedent, either. The way I see it, anyone who has a problem with that can take it up with God. He can handle it.
One of the greatest gifts we’ve been given is free will. The ability to choose. Being Americans (or living in a Western culture), we experience that gift to a higher degree than most of the rest of the world. My theory – not absolute truth – about whether or not homosexuals are born or made is this: Generally speaking, I believe the human anatomy would suggest the ‘default setting’ is hetero. However, sex is much much more than procreation. There are the undeniable aspects of pleasure and bonding that go with it. Something happens when two people make love that is unexplainable. Even the Bible calls it a mystery. My point is, even though procreation obviously cannot result from a homosexual union, the other two parts of sex can, and I believe often does. I’ll even concede there is a possibility that homosexual sex may even be MORE pleasurable than straight sex, generally speaking of course. To be completely honest, I’m afraid to find out. Let’s be honest – by definition, sins are tempting because they have some attractive quality. I struggle enough as it is with temptation. I certainly don’t need to add anything to it. But some people, once they’ve had that experience, may never long for anything else.
Whether people are born gay or not is a mystery to me. I would say that there are many people who are born with homosexual desires, but I also think many choose homosexuality as a result of a traumatic experience, usually in their childhood: being raped or molested, especially by a family member; being repeatedly rejected by women/men; etc. Again, I’m not stating this as fact. It’s just a theory I happen to agree with. I could be very, very wrong.
I also believe it is not mine, nor any other Christian’s position to stand in judgment over others, regardless of their choices. I leave the judging up to God. He’s much better equipped for it than I am. My job is to show others His love for them through me. That’s a job I try to do my best at. I don’t always succeed, but I do try.
As for the TBR members who have chosen the gay lifestyle, Fred and I have talked about a number of things, and I consider him a friend; Builder and I have chatted on a thread or two, but the truth is I don’t know him that well, but I’d like to; Muff, you and I haven’t talked much at all, but I’d like to get to know you. The same goes for any others out there who might be lurking. After all, isn't that what a message board is for? :D
Wonderful testament. However, the question was not do gay people annoy you but what is it that annouys you about gay people. If you truly love every aspect of the personna of some flaming fag well. . . I bow down to you, however they annoy the shit out of me.
builder
11-18-02, 09:41 AM
Originally posted by hasbeens99
As for the TBR members who have chosen the gay lifestyle
Hasbeen....when did you choose to be straight?
hasbeens99
11-18-02, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by VOR
...the question was not do gay people annoy you but what is it that annoys you about gay people. If you truly love every aspect of the personna of some flaming fag well. . . I bow down to you, however they annoy the shit out of me.
I guess I'd have to admit that "flamers" annoy me, but not for the reason you may think. Anyone who will go to extreme measures just to be noticed does get on my nerves a little, but because I feel sorry for them, not for any feeling of superiority/inferiority or difference. And that sentiment does not exclusively apply to let's say "radical homosexuals".
hasbeens99
11-18-02, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by builder
Hasbeen....when did you choose to be straight?
For the bulk of my life, I have only been attracted to women. But as you bared your soul a few posts ago, I will do likewise.
About 10 years ago, when I was actively and voraciously feeding a growing addiction to porn, I began to have rare flashes of...curiosity. Perhaps it started with a fascination with lesbianism, I'm not sure. When it first happened, I was shocked. It never developed beyond curiosity into any kind of desire, but it was still there.
Five years ago I made a commitment to give up porn. It was destroying my marriage. But I found that even when I stopped putting new images in my head, the fantasies remained. Years later, I am still plagued with trying to keep my though life in line with the life I've chosen. I am still tempted to return to my old addiction almost daily.
I don't think I ever would've acted on my rare feelings of curiosity if I'd been given an opportunity. But over time, had I not decided to stop feeding my addiction, who knows? Maybe I would've eventually decided to leave my wife (or cheat on her) for another man, if the opportunity arose. Or, maybe I would've just indulged homosexual fantasies for the rest of my life, growing increasingly distant from my wife because of it.
To answer your question, Builder, I guess you could say I've chosen to be hetero as a part of a greater decision I've made to be faithful to my wife. And I've never regretted a day of it.
builder
11-18-02, 08:19 PM
I can honestly say that I never found women attractive enough to sleep with. Sure, I joke around about the idea...but when it came down to it, nothing would happen. Yes, I have tried.
Choosing to be hetero would not allow me to live honestly with myself. I suppose according to your beliefs, I should not act on my impulses, but if I don't, then I slowly go insane.
I coud write a novel, but i won't. We've been down that road before. HasBeen- I know it's hard for you to understand, but I chose to be gay about the same time I chose to be 6'3". It's NOT a choice. The only choice is if you are gonna be honest with yourself or not. As far as God "hating" gays, I never thought that. But I do feel a large majority of close-minded Christians do. People fear out of ignorance.
hasbeens99
11-19-02, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by builder
Choosing to be hetero would not allow me to live honestly with myself.
Builder, I'm not saying that gay people should stay in the closet and try to live a life of denial about their preference. One would be doomed to even try. You're absolutely right -- anyone who tried would be living a lie, and that's not Biblical.
I suppose according to your beliefs, I should not act on my impulses, but if I don't, then I slowly go insane.
Builder, the "Laws" of the Judeo-Christian faith are for those who have chosen to submit themselves to God. They are the standard, the guide to conform a believer's life to. When understood in the proper context, they show believers a way to live that is far better than the life they knew before. The catch is they are impossible to follow all the time in our own capacity. Our instincts and natural desires are too much in conflict with them. That is why we need God's help, and that is why He gives it.
But for those who have not made that choice, on the surface the Christian life often seems opressive and judgmental. Tragically, many Christians do not do much to dissuade others from believing that.
Here's where it gets spiritual.
Without the presence, influence, and help of God in a person's life, for that person to attempt to live in contrast to their individual makeup is futile, and only brings pain. To use your words, "I slowly go insane," and you're absolutely right. The biggest, most common, and strongest evidence for the Christian faith is radical life change -- watching someone's life transformed before your eyes (over a period of time) so radically that the before and after seem like two different people.
My point (and I do have one :D ), is that without God, it is impossible to change our natural makeup. We haven't the will or the strength. But with the presence of God in our lives, we have the strength and the standard. But the choice is still ours to make. The difference is that it IS a choice, rather than an undeniable truth.
I don't know if that makes any sense or not, but if it doesn't, let me know and I'll take another crack at it.
hasbeens99
11-19-02, 02:04 PM
Originally posted by Fred
HasBeen- I know it's hard for you to understand, but I chose to be gay about the same time I chose to be 6'3". It's NOT a choice. The only choice is if you are gonna be honest with yourself or not.
Fred, I agree with you completely. I do believe some, perhaps even most, gay people are born with same-sex attraction as part of their makeup, just like many others are born with various attractions or tendencies for other behaviors. Some are inherited, some are out of the blue. Some develop as a product of life experiences. Some are only realized through those experiences. We don't get to choose what hand we're dealt.
But to continue with the card game analogy, life does not have to be Blackjack. It can be Draw Poker if God is the dealer. It is possible to discard some of our cards and get new ones from Him. If He is not the dealer, then we're pretty much stuck with what we're dealt. The good news is we have the option of choosing who our dealer is.
But again, you're right. You have to be honest with yourself. You can't change your hand if you don't know what cards you're dealt. I'm not talking about holding a 2,5,7,9,10 and trying to convince yourself and everyone else you've got 4 aces.
As far as God "hating" gays, I never thought that. But I do feel a large majority of close-minded Christians do. People fear out of ignorance.
Agreed. They also fear out of misconception and misleading. Many of those Christians who hate gays are taught to do so by other Christians. IMO, that's the easy way out, and it's dangerous. I do not believe that it was ever God's goal to have a human mediator that would stand between Him and His people. I believe the evidence suggests God wants a personal relationship with everyone, and that being the case, all believers have the responsibility to get to know God for themselves. If more Christians put in the time and effort to do that, things like hate toward gays and liberals and Muslims, etc. would never be experienced with the frequency it has been. People would know better.
The Sheriff
11-19-02, 09:59 PM
Don't know if this has been posted before, the damn thread is 12 pages long...I read about the first 3.
This doesn't bug me, just my observation. I have never met a poor fag. They're all rich. Now I am sure there has to be some poor ones running around. My theory is that they stay in the closet till they get money then all of a sudden they're gay.
Just a thought....
builder
11-19-02, 11:26 PM
Originally posted by The Sheriff
This doesn't bug me, just my observation. I have never met a poor fag. They're all rich.
I'm not rich. Not at all. But most of my friends are.
I knew lots of poor gays mostly they are the ones who die of aids now. :(
The Sheriff
11-20-02, 11:59 AM
Well then your slacking builder. Your not living up to your potential. :)
Originally posted by The Sheriff
This doesn't bug me, just my observation. I have never met a poor fag. They're all rich. Now I am sure there has to be some poor ones running around. My theory is that they stay in the closet till they get money then all of a sudden they're gay.
Just a thought....
Damn man- tell me where you meet fags cause I wanna go find me a rich one! All the ones I end up going out with are dirt poor. :mad:
WilliamJ
11-21-02, 07:03 PM
most gay men it seems really have to work at being gay. this annoys the shit out of me. it shows me that those that swish and glide are putting on act and force themselves to be gay. that is fake. i feel quite certain they are homosexual but the whole "gay" thing is just a facade.
builder
11-21-02, 08:58 PM
Originally posted by WilliamJ
most gay men it seems really have to work at being gay.
Bill and I have talked about this at length and I understand his point of view. He's not talking about homosexuals at all. He's talking about the fucking blue fairy queers at the halloween party. That's gay.
Originally posted by WilliamJ
most gay men it seems really have to work at being gay. this annoys the shit out of me. it shows me that those that swish and glide are putting on act and force themselves to be gay.
That's a popular miscoception among people who given the correct circumstances woulf forego toilet paper. In reality flaming fags are flaming fags, it's just them thats how they are, if they weren't flaming fags they would be assistant principles. What some see as extra effort is merely the natural progression for queers. It's maddening and irksome but unfortunately very real.
builder
11-25-02, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by VOR
It's maddening and irksome but unfortunately very real.
I really don't agree VOR. I can be just as nelly and pretentious as the ones Bill and I have discussed, but it's not in my nature. However, if I were to act like that 24/7 for about a week, I'm sure it would be a lot tougher to revert back to my normal, reserved self. And no, I'm not talking about a message board persona, I'm talking about real life.
Originally posted by builder
I really don't agree VOR. I can be just as nelly and pretentious as the ones Bill and I have discussed, but it's not in my nature. However, if I were to act like that 24/7 for about a week, I'm sure it would be a lot tougher to revert back to my normal, reserved self. And no, I'm not talking about a message board persona, I'm talking about real life.
I understand what you are saying, but once acquired behavior becomes second nature try and change it. Given that flaming is by nature self destructive, it just feeds itself. While it may seem contrived, and the act at the gay bar may be somewhat contrived, most flamers I have known in everyday existance have been fruity 24/7. They do puppy dog eyes well.
builder
11-25-02, 02:32 PM
I've never had to deal with that sort of behaviour within myself. I only know that when a person is at home, comfortable with only a single friend nearby, the act drops and their fairy wings fold back and they become 100% human again without an ounce of femininity.
barracuda
11-26-02, 03:58 PM
:D
muff_spelunker
12-11-02, 09:45 PM
Originally posted by Fred
Damn man- tell me where you meet fags cause I wanna go find me a rich one! All the ones I end up going out with are dirt poor. :mad:
No shit, Fred. I'd like to find the rich ones too.
I'm thinking he's going by outward appearance only and we know gay guys (especially) like to wear the labels and tags but are in debt beyond their ass. I find lesbians are just plain ol' poor and not very motivated to better their status. I'm thinking of the butch ones that want to dig ditches like a man or the fem ones that want to find a butch to keep them. I'd really like to find the professional lesbians in the gay community but end up with the blue-collar, low-wage making crowd.
I think I'm doing really well for myself, but it comes from my upbringing to have pride in myself, my reputation, and my work ethic, not because I'm gay.
Originally posted by muff_spelunker
No shit, Fred. I'd like to find the rich ones too.
I'm thinking he's going by outward appearance only and we know gay guys (especially) like to wear the labels and tags but are in debt beyond their ass. I find lesbians are just plain ol' poor and not very motivated to better their status. I'm thinking of the butch ones that want to dig ditches like a man or the fem ones that want to find a butch to keep them. I'd really like to find the professional lesbians in the gay community but end up with the blue-collar, low-wage making crowd.
I think I'm doing really well for myself, but it comes from my upbringing to have pride in myself, my reputation, and my work ethic, not because I'm gay.
clothes, money and material things don't matter to me as long as they can pay their own way. There are more important things. Like dick size! :D
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