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Is Mormon considered a legitimate Christian religion? If not, why? They have tons of followers, an entire state to themselves for the most part (Utah), and have a worldwide ministry. Still, some evangelicals don't consider Mormon a true way to knowing God/Jesus and a way to salvation.
I remember going to the State Fair in Raleigh with a friend of mine back in 1992 and they had a booth set up inside DORTON ARENA with representatives from several religions there. Over at the Mormon booth, they had 2 very attractive ladies handing out information. Mannnnnn, they almost made me sign up right on the spot :D :D !!!!!!!!
Wild Thing
11-14-03, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by sds70
Over at the Mormon booth, they had 2 very attractive ladies handing out information. Mannnnnn, they almost made me sign up right on the spot :D :D !!!!!!!!
Those must just have been the sales reps. The 400 lb Mormon woman that lives up the street from me might make you reconsider! :D
Hey sds!
Depends on what you mean by 'legitimate'. I would have to say generally no. Keep in mind most Christian churches adhere strictly to the Bible (whether it is KJV, Catholic, etc.).
While the Mormon church does as well - they also teach from the Book of Mormon: Christ's 'teachings' to ancient peoples in North America.
As far as I know there are no Christian churches that recognize these teachings besides the Mormans.
Originally posted by Stewie
Hey sds!
Depends on what you mean by 'legitimate'. I would have to say generally no. Keep in mind most Christian churches adhere strictly to the Bible (whether it is KJV, Catholic, etc.).
While the Mormon church does as well - they also teach from the Book of Mormon: Christ's 'teachings' to ancient peoples in North America.
As far as I know there are no Christian churches that recognize these teachings besides the Mormans.
Do the other mainstream Christian religions believe that Christ didn't return to the earth to minister to other people :confused: ? ? ? I mean, with Jesus you couldn't rule that out :D :D . . .
No they do not. I've been associated (one way or the other) with almost all the mainstreams (Catholic, Lutheran, Baptist, Methodist, Episcopalian, Church of God) and none of them recognize the Mormon religion as an extension of mainstream Christianity. Most consider it little more than an annoying cult.
Think of it this way:
Mormon is to Chrsitianity as Christianity is to Islam.
That may sound completely off the wall but believe it or not the Muslim religion actually does recognize Christianity. The Quran speeks highly of the Torah and New Testament. The Muslim religion just presents Mohammed as another 'prophet' similar to Jesus - only he was born a sinner and he was born after Christ's resurrection.
hasbeen99
11-14-03, 11:51 AM
Originally posted by Stewie
Think of it this way:
Mormon is to Chrsitianity as Christianity is to Islam.
That might be a tad oversimplified, but Stewie has a good point. Maybe it would be better to say Mohammad is to Jesus as Joseph Smith is to Jesus.
To answer your question, SDS, most Mormons I've talked to (in a very limited way) believe in basic Christian doctrine. I'm not talking about the door-to-door Mormons, I'm talking about your run-of-the-mill, everyday kind of folks. The friction between the LDS and Christian doctrine comes from The Book of Mormon. The Bible is very explicit about adding to and taking away from itself, and the penalties for both. If there is a conflict between the Bible and the Book of Mormon, the Mormon church will take the side of the Book of Mormon, which is a serious problem in Christianity.
The Jehovah's Witnesses actually have the same problem. They have their own translation and their own references which supercede the Bible.
QueenCityHillbilly
11-14-03, 11:53 AM
so basically, Mr. Mormon thought he was too good for the bible and wrote his own chapter?
flyfisher
11-14-03, 11:56 AM
Revelations has a lot to do with the Mormons too, doesn't it?
Originally posted by QueenCityHillbilly
so basically, Mr. Mormon thought he was too good for the bible and wrote his own chapter?
To hear him tell it, he got a vision/revelation/inspriation thingy from God and the result was Mormonism. Same thing with Mohammed. Basically, same as the writers of the books of the Bible... except the Bible writer(s) (St. John? I'm a little rusty) said that God said nobody else could say something and say God said it, because from now on, Divine Inspiration was being discontinued.
QueenCityHillbilly
11-14-03, 11:58 AM
Originally posted by ecilam
Bible writer(s) (St. John? I'm a little rustyJohn, along with several others. I'm pretty sure Paul wrote a book or twelve.
Originally posted by QueenCityHillbilly
John, along with several others. I'm pretty sure Paul wrote a book or twelve.
Right. But if memory serves, the verse about the Bible being "finished" and not to be amended or updated is in the book of Revelation, which is credited to John. That's what I was asking.
hasbeen99
11-14-03, 12:41 PM
Originally posted by QueenCityHillbilly
so basically, Mr. Mormon thought he was too good for the bible and wrote his own chapter?
Not exactly. He had "an experience". He claims to have been visited by 2 angels (I think) who showed him where the gold plates were that had the Book of Mormon on them. The funny thing is, according to a theology professor I once heard, the Book of Mormon is written in about half a dozen different writing styles and is closer to a collection of bits and pieces from other world religions than an appendix to the Bible. Don't know if that's true or not, though, as I haven't read the BOM for myself yet.
Originally posted by flyfisher
Revelations has a lot to do with the Mormons too, doesn't it?
Not to my knowledge.
Originally posted by ecilam
To hear him tell it, he got a vision/revelation/inspriation thingy from God and the result was Mormonism. Same thing with Mohammed.
Correct.
Originally posted by ecilam
Basically, same as the writers of the books of the Bible...
In a way, yes, but not exactly. The difference in the New Testament is that the inspired writings of the apostles are expansions of the original teachings of Jesus. Revelation, is a written account of a dream/visitation/supernatural experience that John had, so in that way it's very similar to the experiences of Joseph Smith and Muhammad. The difference is that Revelation is all prophecy of what's yet to come. There is no way to verify it, because it hasn't happened yet. The Qur'an and the BOM claim to be both history and prophecy, both what was, what is, and what is yet to come.
Originally posted by ecilam
But if memory serves, the verse about the Bible being "finished" and not to be amended or updated is in the book of Revelation, which is credited to John. That's what I was asking.
Correct. Revelation was written by John while he was in exile on the isle of Patmos. He was the only apostle besides Judas who wasn't tortured to death.
Originally posted by hasbeen99
That might be a tad oversimplified, but Stewie has a good point. Maybe it would be better to say Mohammad is to Jesus as Joseph Smith is to Jesus.
You do have a good point there and yes I definitely oversimplified it - specifically for lack of space. I could clarify it well but that would require more space than anyone is up to reading on the matter. :D
hasbeen99
11-14-03, 01:35 PM
Originally posted by Stewie
You do have a good point there and yes I definitely oversimplified it - specifically for lack of space. I could clarify it well but that would require more space than anyone is up to reading on the matter. :D
Yep, I'm sure doctoral dissertations have been published on less complicated issues. :D
Originally posted by sds70
Is Mormon considered a legitimate Christian religion? If not, why? They have tons of followers, an entire state to themselves for the most part (Utah), and have a worldwide ministry. Still, some evangelicals don't consider Mormon a true way to knowing God/Jesus and a way to salvation.
I remember going to the State Fair in Raleigh with a friend of mine back in 1992 and they had a booth set up inside DORTON ARENA with representatives from several religions there. Over at the Mormon booth, they had 2 very attractive ladies handing out information. Mannnnnn, they almost made me sign up right on the spot :D :D !!!!!!!!
THey shouldnt be because they are vile people who have nothing but destruction of diversity on their mind. Oh and the hot girls probably had weird jump suits on under their clothes...they have to wear them until marriage.
meatpile
11-14-03, 02:47 PM
I need me some hot mormon twat.
ezy ryder
11-14-03, 03:11 PM
mmmmmm, I've had me some of that good mormon stuff. But she admitted that she wasn't a very good mormon.
Actually her family was very religious, and talked about going to an "enlightened one" and crazy shit like that. I guess the enlightened one is the first one to know that it's all bullshit.
The mormons don't believe that Jesus is God...All Christian religions believe that it is as Jesus said "The Father and I are One"
voyergirl
11-14-03, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by meatpile
I need me some hot mormon twat.
women should be allowed more than one husband. it just ain't fair:mad:
Ssstern
11-14-03, 04:28 PM
You would have to split the divorce money though.:D
voyergirl
11-14-03, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by Ssstern
You would have to split the divorce money though.:D
how much do you make at this fancy new job anyway?
Ssstern
11-14-03, 05:53 PM
I think you just proposed to me!?:confused:
voyergirl
11-14-03, 05:55 PM
Originally posted by Ssstern
I think you just proposed to me!?:confused:
run like hell. you saw that pic of mike running through the woods didn't you lol
Ssstern
11-14-03, 06:01 PM
LOL I still chuckle when I think of that picture!
Hockeygirl44
11-14-03, 07:31 PM
It simply comes down to this:
Mormons don't believe that Jesus Christ is the savior; therefore, they are not "Christians".
barry49s
11-14-03, 09:08 PM
Originally posted by sds70
Is Mormon considered a legitimate Christian religion?
As long as the Mormons think so , who cares what the others think.
Ever religious person thinks their religion is correct and legitimate.
Originally posted by barry49s
Ever religious person thinks their religion is correct and legitimate.
And as long as that religion doesn't promote hurting other people I don't think we have the right to 'throw stones' either. :D
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