God has been removed from the workplace

[PhotoGuy]

"God has left the building!"

The temporary operator of the Albemarle Road Chick-Fil-A (Paul Xiong) would say. He came in yesterday to take the place of the former operator who has left for a Burlington Chick-Fil-A. The first thing Paul did on his first day on the job was remove the corporate purpose sign hanging below the menu boards behind the front counter.

This sign read: "Our Corporate Purpose: To Glorify God by being a faithful steward of all that is entrusted to us. To have a positive influence on all who come in contact with Chick-fil-A." There will also no longer be Christian music playing over the pa system in the restaurant. I have a feeling this is a sign of things to come.

All of the kids who work there with me are very upset about the drastic changes in the new management. I guess they should get used to it. That's life. That's the corporate world. If they don't like it, then get the heck out. I have a feeling the customers are going to quickly notice the change in not only the management change, but also the morale of the staff. I guess that's my job there now... to keep up the morale, but without losing my job at the same time.

[The Brahma Bull]

But Chic-Fil-A as a whole is a very religious group. How can a manager come in and change that?

[PhotoGuy]

But Chic-Fil-A as a whole is a very religious group. How can a manager come in and change that?

Each CFA is independently owned and operated. The Owner/Operator can run the business anyway he/she wants to, as long as the restaurant is closed on Sundays and the product is consistant. There will be letters written to corporate by many employees. As assistant manager, I cannot stop them from doing that, and I won't even try. I think it's sad. These are a bunch of great kids. They had a great family at CFA, and the former operator and his general manager (also left) were like dads to many of them. Things are going to start to fall apart soon.

[chris]

What pisses me off the most is that they are closed on Sunday. Don't they know that the Sabbath was on Saturday back in the old ages? Sunday was stolen from the Pagan religion which observed it on "Sunday".

[chipshot]

What pisses me off the most is that they are closed on Sunday. Don't they know that the Sabbath was on Saturday back in the old ages? Sunday was stolen from the Pagan religion which observed it on "Sunday".

It is a Christian company not Jewish. Jesus supposedly rose from the dead on Sunday. It has nothing to do with the Sabbath.

[Bunky]

how does an owner/operator get "relocated" to Burlington? Seems like cfa hq would be better aware on o/o candidates than to relocate operators willy nilly. sounds fishy the way you present it.

[Stargazer]

I eat there almost every weekend, PG. I stopped in there yesterday and overheard one of the employees saying that the new manager would be in soon. It's a shame, because those kids are always very nice, respectful and work pretty hard. They have good attitudes and the place is always clean. I know who you mean when you talk of the operator who has moved to Burlington. He was very good. I've watched him work with the kids. Sounds like the customers are in for a let down too.

[WilliamJ]

how does an owner/operator get "relocated" to Burlington? Seems like cfa hq would be better aware on o/o candidates than to relocate operators willy nilly. sounds fishy the way you present it.
can they revoke his franchise?

[vpkozel]

It is a Christian company not Jewish. Jesus supposedly rose from the dead on Sunday. It has nothing to do with the Sabbath.

And on the 7th day God rested. Even he took Sundays off.

[builder]

And on the 7th day God rested. Even he took Sundays off.


So you're a fundamentalist? Otherwise, you'd know that the written words are open to interpretation.

[vpkozel]

So you're a fundamentalist? Otherwise, you'd know that the written words are open to interpretation.

That depends on what the meaning of is, is

[builder]

That depends on what the meaning of is, is

There's no is in that sentence nutfucker.

[Stewie]

This is sounding too much like the Lewinsky afair.

Next you guys will be debating on what sex is. :D

I have mixed emotions about the whole deal, in one way I agree that religion should be left out of the work place - I say this because I have been on the receiving end of getting blasted for my beliefs by fundamentalists.

But at the same time - a business or organization that has been around for years and that everyone knows where they stand concerning it - should not have to change their MO simply because of one person.

However, as PhotoGuy stated: Each CFA is independently owned and operated. With this in mind, no one can really complain period.

[spud]

I am more worried about how "God" has been taken out of churches, where anything goes. Preachers don't talk about sin anymore. Its all about love and they are preaching their congregations right into hell.

[VOR]

I am more worried about how "God" has been taken out of churches, where anything goes. Preachers don't talk about sin anymore. Its all about love and they are preaching their congregations right into hell.

Yeah I know the new testament is full of Jesus preaching about sin. Why hell next I bet preachers start not promoting strong national defense and start promoting turning the other cheek. Fuckin commies.

[spud]

Yeah I know the new testament is full of Jesus preaching about sin. Why hell next I bet preachers start not promoting strong national defense and start promoting turning the other cheek. Fuckin commies.


Jesus does preach about sin in the NT, that's exactly my point. He points out many sins and tells people to sin no more. Its not all about love, except the love of Jesus and his sacrifice for us.

[builder]

perhaps we should crucify the sinners.

[VOR]

Jesus does preach about sin in the NT, that's exactly my point. He points out many sins and tells people to sin no more. Its not all about love, except the love of Jesus and his sacrifice for us.

Ah so the members of the flock are too ignorant or read and comprehend the bible. Seems we got the sinning part down good enough, and the average baptist seems to know that he can be a total ass 6 days a week as long as he repents on sunday. What's your beef?

[vpkozel]

There's no is in that sentence nutfucker.

are is the conjugated form of is. You used it twice piss magnet.

[builder]

are is the conjugated form of is. You used it twice piss magnet.
Is and are are not the same.

[spud]

Ah so the members of the flock are too ignorant or read and comprehend the bible. Seems we got the sinning part down good enough, and the average baptist seems to know that he can be a total ass 6 days a week as long as he repents on sunday. What's your beef?

My beef is the average church is NOT teaching people to not sin 6 days a week.
So when did you become the judge of the average baptist? I thought those baptists were the ones that judged.

[chipshot]

I am more worried about how "God" has been taken out of churches, where anything goes. Preachers don't talk about sin anymore. Its all about love and they are preaching their congregations right into hell.

If the foundation of Christianity is about "not sinning" instead of showing love, than I for one have no interest. That is not the definition of Christianity that I grew up with.

[slydevl]

If the foundation of Christianity is about "not sinning" instead of showing love, than I for one have no interest. That is not the definition of Christianity that I grew up with.

Ideally you should do both. I, for one, am a miserable failure at that. Thank God for Jesus.

[vpkozel]

Is and are are not the same.

The are both the conjugation of "to be," right?

I am
you are
he is
we are
you are
they are

[PhotoGuy]

how does an owner/operator get "relocated" to Burlington? Seems like cfa hq would be better aware on o/o candidates than to relocate operators willy nilly. sounds fishy the way you present it.

The former owner was bored with making over $150,000 and not having to lift a finger since the store ran itself. He was even bored with playing golf every day. He wanted a challenge, and when the opportunity came up in Burlington to take a troubled store and whip it into shape, he jumped all over it. He is even taking the General Manager with him. The GM didn't really want to relocate his family too, but he was offered an amazing amount of money to tag along.

Yes, Stargazer, they were both great guys and all the kids loved them. I am still trying to gain their respect (no comments about the car here) as their assistant manager. Those two guys left big shoes to fill, and I never could have imagained just how big they were.

The new guy, Paul, is coming in with the attitude "My way or the highway". He wasn't supposed to come in and change anything. He was just supposed to make sure the store stayed afloat until the new owner had completed CFA University in 3 months. Funny thing is, the new guy, Barry, has never been to a CFA in his life until now. At least the former owner endorses him. I am starting to get the feeling that the former owner doesn't give a shit about what happens now since he is gone. The kids say they are going to call him, but he has his own store to worry about now.

[builder]

The are both the conjugation of "to be," right?

But they are NOT THE SAME. You're wrong fucker. Sabes que, no?

[chipshot]

Ideally you should do both. I, for one, am a miserable failure at that. Thank God for Jesus.

Yes you should avoid sin, but I can't believe Jesus was sent to spread a faith based upon things you don't do.

[vpkozel]

But they are NOT THE SAME. You're wrong fucker. Sabes que, no?

You is just being a pain in the ass.

[builder]

You is just being a pain in the ass.
y eres una verga.

[Bunky]

The former owner was bored with making over $150,000 and not having to lift a finger since the store ran itself.

i quit. fucking sammiches suck.

[VOR]

Yes you should avoid sin, but I can't believe Jesus was sent to spread a faith based upon things you don't do.

There is a change in attitude that spud hasn't accepted that is you cant make a chistian, the christianee has to come to an understanding of what christianity is on his own accord, (be born again), telling that person he is born again and these are the steps to attain heaven are as successful at making christians, as PBS painting classes are at making artists. You have to read the book and apply the lessons first hand. So listening to someone preaching sin on sunday and ignoring religion the other 6 days may get you elected deacon, but don't necessarily get you to heaven. However if you want to control the flock, letting them be lazy and preaching to them is a goiod way to do it.

[vpkozel]

y eres una verga.

zptaj jestlize jsem ohradu? Myslim ze to je hloupa otazka. Bilbost.

[builder]

zptaj jestlize jsem ohradu? Myslim ze to je hloupa otazka. Bilbost.

Yeah. And?

[builder]

i quit. fucking sammiches suck.

7th and Pecan would make a great place for a chick fil a.

[Bunky]

7th and Pecan would make a great place for a chick fil a.


there isn't a walmart next door.

[builder]

there isn't a walmart next door.
Hell...you live in Idlewilde. Isn't there a Wal-Mart near there?

[slydevl]

zptaj jestlize jsem ohradu? Myslim ze to je hloupa otazka. Bilbost.

I'd like to buy a vowel Pat.

[Bunky]

Hell...you live in Idlewilde. Isn't there a Wal-Mart near there?


yea, the one across from the cfa on out albemarle

[builder]

yea, the one across from the cfa on out albemarle


Eastway & Central?

[VOR]

Hell...you live in Idlewilde. Isn't there a Wal-Mart near there?

Ha wal mart is good, they are subsidizing belmont abbey. So attone for your sins, by overpriced chinese stuff.

[spud]

If the foundation of Christianity is about "not sinning" instead of showing love, than I for one have no interest. That is not the definition of Christianity that I grew up with.

Yeah, well you missed the point completely.
NO ONE seems to be preaching about NOT sinning. Everyone wants to preach on love.
And don't make your next statement something about accusing Christians of not loving.
Christians give more money to needy organizations then anyone else.

[spud]

Ideally you should do both. I, for one, am a miserable failure at that. Thank God for Jesus.

Thank you!

[Miss tery]

are is the conjugated form of is. You used it twice piss magnet.
Didn't do too well in English, did we? Both are conjugated forms of the verb "to be".

[WilliamJ]

jesus is just allright with me.

[VOR]

awwright yeaaah

[vpkozel]

Didn't do too well in English, did we? Both are conjugated forms of the verb "to be".

I corrected myself later. I was in a hurry in the first post. But thanks for looking out for me. Can you grammar check the czech as well please? Diky.

[VOR]

Czech please! I got a million of em :cheers:

[builder]

Czech please! I got a million of em :cheers:
Right....I thought he wanted money.

[Ssstern]

Back to the franchise question. I imagine that they have certain guidlines on the appearance of the store too. If it was McDs you couldn't change the color of the big M, The menus over the counter have to be standard etc. If that sign is part of the appearence guidlines then he could be in violation of his franchise agreement.

My question is did he get a directive to do so? Did he act on his own in removing the sign?

I gotta believe that that sign is a required standard since, regardless of who owns the store, they are representing the Corp. as a whole and will be required to promote the Corp. ideals or get out. In the end this operation is really not his per say since they can revoke his franchise at anytime for cause probably with a penalty attached too.

Just my .02.

[PhotoGuy]

My question is did he get a directive to do so? Did he act on his own in removing the sign?

Not all stores display the Corporate Purpose sign. The store I worked at in Matthews on Independence does not display it. So, I have a feeling it is not a required fixture by the corporate office.

Paul Xiong took it down and said "It only takes one person to ruin it for everyone". Did he mean himself? Or a possible hypothetical future customer. We (CFA employees) know the Corporate Purpose and we strive to show our customers every day with or without a sign saying so. To me, removing the sign from our front counter is like removing the big cross hanging in the front of a church's sanctuary. Everyone in the church knows why they gather there, with or without the cross to symbolize the fact that Jesus Christ died for our sins and whomever believes in him will not parish, but have eternal life in the Kingdom of Heaven.

Can anyone agree with this analogy? I mean, most of the kids at CFA see this sign when they enter for work each day and it's an integrity check. It's a reminder why they are there... not to just get a weekly paycheck, but to be a good wittness and role model to others.

Tonight is my first night working with Paul Xiong. Maybe I will sit down and talk with him and see what his business objectives are and his goals and vision for the business. Maybe I can try to figure this whole thing out and be a hero for everyone... and I can ride off into the sunset in the rolling purple pride parade.

[Stargazer]

I always respected them for having that sign up. So many businesses kowtow to the almighty dollar, and here is someone saying "This is what we stand for." I liked it!

[Miss tery]

I always respected them for having that sign up.
I find it offensive, and would not patronize the place if their sandwiches weren't so darn good.

[VOR]

I find it offensive, and would not patronize the place if their sandwiches weren't so darn good.

So your principles take a back seat to waffle fries eh. You're easy.

[Stargazer]

I find it offensive, and would not patronize the place if their sandwiches weren't so darn good.

That's what I mean though. They had the guts to keep it up knowing that some people would take their business elsewhere. I found that impressive.

[Stargazer]

So your principles take a back seat to waffle fries eh. You're easy.

That's not easy. The waffle fries are great!

[Patti]

While I have respected them for not being open on Sundays and message they are trying to convey, isn't it a little hypocritical if they or anyone else that is upset about this shops or eats out on Sunday?

[VOR]

That's not easy. The waffle fries are great!

See, they got you too!

[VOR]

While I have respected them for not being open on Sundays and message they are trying to convey, isn't it a little hypocritical if they or anyone else that is upset about this shops or eats out on Sunday?

Um so cooking at home is somehow better?

[Patti]

Um so cooking at home is somehow better?

No if you take it literally it isn't. Maybe the absolute meaning was to only worship, pray and fast on the Sabbath.

[Bunky]

schlotzsky's deli @ 1961 e 7th st is always open on sunday. 11-7. try the cracked pepper chips with a chicken sammich. they are better than waffle fries.

[VOR]

No if you take it literally it isn't. Maybe the absolute meaning was to only worship, pray and fast on the Sabbath.

precisely and no one every not cooked or drove to church or any of that stuff. However closing on sunday is still very noble of them. Publix markets did that when the old man was alive, soon as he croaked the kids went after that money.

[Patti]

However closing on sunday is still very noble of them.

I totally agree.

[PantherFanz]

So you're a fundamentalist? Otherwise, you'd know that the written words are open to interpretation.

And there would be the entire problem with religion in today's world. People who could not rationalize thier way out of an oversized walk-in closet deem themselves able to interprete the ancient scripture. How do we all like the interpretations of Osama bin Laden? Or that freak Eric Rudolph?

Read the damn book and let it lie....

[PhotoGuy]

No if you take it literally it isn't. Maybe the absolute meaning was to only worship, pray and fast on the Sabbath.
What I find somewhat confusing is the fact that the true Sabbath day is Saturday, the 7th day, the Holy day of rest. Why do Christians observe the Sabbath on Sunday?

The following cited from http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/course/lesson13.html

The seventh day of the week, the day commonly known as Saturday, is the Sabbath day of YAHWEH the Almighty God of Israel. It was ordained of God as a day of physical rest for all mankind, and the obligation to observe it arises from:
1- Yahweh's own example
2- His act of blessing the seventh day
3- His explicit command to keep it holy.


Furthermore, look at Saturday in other languages:

Italian: Sabato
Spanish: el sábado
Portuguese: o sábado
Russian: в субботу (surely something similar to Sabbath)

Which is correct, the traditional calendar that starts weeks with Sunday and ends with Saturday, or the one in my day planner that starts with Monday and the seventh day is Sunday? Should Chick-Fil-A close on Saturdays and not Sundays?

I am confused. :confused:

God help us all if Chick-Fil-A founder and CEO Truett Cathey ever dies. The whole company will go to hell. :(

[PhotoGuy]

just a little off subject....

I was doing a little reading the other day and discovered that the the second ingredient in CFA's waffle fries (second to potatoes) is BEEF FAT.


WTF???

[Ssstern]

just a little off subject....

I was doing a little reading the other day and discovered that the the second ingredient in CFA's waffle fries (second to potatoes) is BEEF FAT.


WTF???

Err. They fry them in it. Not much more to french fries than potatoes and grease.

[chipshot]

What I find somewhat confusing is the fact that the true Sabbath day is Saturday, the 7th day, the Holy day of rest. Why do Christians observe the Sabbath on Sunday?

The following cited from http://atschool.eduweb.co.uk/sbs777/course/lesson13.html

The seventh day of the week, the day commonly known as Saturday, is the Sabbath day of YAHWEH the Almighty God of Israel. It was ordained of God as a day of physical rest for all mankind, and the obligation to observe it arises from:
1- Yahweh's own example
2- His act of blessing the seventh day
3- His explicit command to keep it holy.


Furthermore, look at Saturday in other languages:

Italian: Sabato
Spanish: el sábado
Portuguese: o sábado
Russian: в субботу (surely something similar to Sabbath)

Which is correct, the traditional calendar that starts weeks with Sunday and ends with Saturday, or the one in my day planner that starts with Monday and the seventh day is Sunday? Should Chick-Fil-A close on Saturdays and not Sundays?

I am confused. :confused:

God help us all if Chick-Fil-A founder and CEO Truett Cathey ever dies. The whole company will go to hell. :(

Sabbath = Saturday = Jewish
Jesus rose from the dead = Sunday = Christian

[Bunky]

ya know...schlotzsky's cooks their chips in the good kinda oil. less cholesterol even.

1961 e 7th st

[PhotoGuy]

Sabbath = Saturday = Jewish
Jesus rose from the dead = Sunday = Christian
Jesus rose from the dead on what we celebrate now as Easter Sunday. That has nothing to do with the 7th day of rest.

[PhotoGuy]

Err. They fry them in it. Not much more to french fries than potatoes and grease.
So that's what "Fry King" oil is, huh? Still, the concept of having anything to do with beef and cows is totally hypocritical. That is one of the reasons CFA got rid of the steak biscuit. Hey we sell MILK too!!! OMG!!
:jawomg:

On another note... ever notice that the chicken sandwiches taste like they have crunchy peanutbutter on them? Think about it next time. They are fried in peanut oil. I always wondered about it before I worked there.

[chipshot]

Jesus rose from the dead on what we celebrate now as Easter Sunday. That has nothing to do with the 7th day of rest.

No shit. The concept of the day of rest was transferred to Sunday, the day Christians celebrate the resurrection of Jesus, to symbolize the differance between the two religions. Nobody says the Sabbath is Sunday, just the same concept altered a bit.

[Bunky]

this is no time for ginuflecting deflecting...eat mor sammich..


1961 e 7th st

[PhotoGuy]

No shit. The concept of the day of rest was transferred to Sunday

By the Catholic Church, which took upon itself to change the 4th Commandment, simply because it could, and everyone had to follow the law of the Catholic Church. Having nothing to do with The ressurrection of Christ.

[PhotoGuy]

...eat mor sammich..

Do you sell Chicken Sammich?

[sadic1]

I don't give a crap about God leaving any company because I don't think he gives a rat's ass about fast food or the money a fast food joint funnels into bullshit fundamentalist religions, but I bet their product is going to suffer. The best fast food places I've ever been to are worked by white Christian youths. Apparently, they're the only ones either dumb enough or goodhearted enough (depending on your perspective) to care about attention to detail for 6 bucks an hour. The worst fast food places are the ones run by obese black women.

[chipshot]

By the Catholic Church, which took upon itself to change the 4th Commandment, simply because it could, and everyone had to follow the law of the Catholic Church. Having nothing to do with The ressurrection of Christ.

So now it's a conspiracy by the Catholic Church, otherwise just known as Christianity at the time to change the day of rest for no other reason but to remember the day they believed Jesus came back from the dead? I really don't see what the big deal is. Jews celebrate the Sabbath on Saturday and Christians celebrate the day Christ rose from the dead on Sunday. Nobody ever tried to fool people into thinking they are the same.

[chipshot]

I don't give a crap about God leaving any company because I don't think he gives a rat's ass about fast food or the money a fast food joint funnels into bullshit fundamentalist religions, but I bet their product is going to suffer. The best fast food places I've ever been to are worked by white Christian youths. Apparently, they're the only ones either dumb enough or goodhearted enough (depending on your perspective) to care about attention to detail for 6 bucks an hour. The worst fast food places are the ones run by obese black women.

You have obviously never been to Bojangles. Obese black women can cook some cajun style fried chicken like no others.

[Ssstern]

I don't give a crap about God leaving any company because I don't think he gives a rat's ass about fast food or the money a fast food joint funnels into bullshit fundamentalist religions, but I bet their product is going to suffer. The best fast food places I've ever been to are worked by white Christian youths. Apparently, they're the only ones either dumb enough or goodhearted enough (depending on your perspective) to care about attention to detail for 6 bucks an hour. The worst fast food places are the ones run by obese black women.

Or Prices Chicken Coop. Man I miss that I must say.

[barry49s]

Jesus would be a vegetarian. Jesus would not eat fast food.

[builder]

Jesus would be a vegetarian. Jesus would not eat fast food.


cept for a McFillet.

[spud]

Jesus would be a vegetarian. Jesus would not eat fast food.

Intersting, but what about the fact that Jesus ate fish?