Friday is Confederate Memorial Day ****

[Puttingood]

Fly your Flag with pride, fellow Southerners.

[Sportsgirl]

Originally posted by Puttingood
Fly your Flag with pride, fellow Southerners.

I'm just curious. If this is the proper flag, why do a lot of people wave the "other" flag?

[VOR]

Originally posted by Sportsgirl


I'm just curious. If this is the proper flag, why do a lot of people wave the "other" flag?


I think it is a case of being able to enjoy one's cultural identity without being confrontational. The other though traditionally more accepted as the symbol of the confederacy through time has also become a symbol of hate to others. As such why not just accept folks are proud of their ancestors and wish to revere their memory in a way that doesn't offend most folks and not start a goddamned pissin match.

[chipshot]

Its a State Holiday in SC. I get the day off tomorrow :D

[Redcoat]

Will there be a lynching?

[BearBryant]

http://rebelstuff.com/confedimages/gaflg.gif



http://rebelstuff.com/confedimages/ncrebelflg.jpg

[barracuda]

Are they going to be auctioning off slaves tomorrow also? :D:huh:

[VOR]

Originally posted by Redcoat
Will there be a lynching?

Only in lynchburg

[Puttingood]

I'm just curious. If this is the proper flag, posted by Sportsgirl

Although less well known than the "Confederate Battle Flags", the Stars and Bars was used as the official flag of the Confederacy from March 1861 to May of 1863.
The pattern and colors of this flag did not distinguish it sharply fom the Stars and Stripes of the Union. Consequently, considerable confusion was caused on the battlefield.
The seven stars represent the original Confederate States;

South Carolina (December 20, 1860)

Mississippi(January 9, 1861)

Florida (January 10,1861)

Alabama (January 11, 1861)

Georgia (January 19, 1861)

Louisiana (January 26, 1861)

and Texas (February 1, 1861)




The second Official
On May 1st,1863, a second design was adopted, placing the Battle Flag (also known as the "Southern Cross") as the canton on a white field. This flag was easily mistaken for a white flag of surrender especially when the air was calm and the flag hung limply.
Efforts to secede failed in Kentucky and Missouri though those states were represented by two of the stars. *(see note below)
The flag now had 13 stars having been joined officially by four more states,
Virginia (April 17, 1861),
Arkansas (May 6, 1861),
Tennessee (May 7, 1861),
North Carolina (May 21, 1861).



The third Official Flag of the Confederacy
The third Official Flag of the Confederacy. On March 4th,1865, a short time before the collapse of the Confederacy, a third pattern was adapted; a broad bar of red was placed on the fly end of the white field.



The Confederate Battle Flag
The best-known Confederate flag was the Battle Flag, the familiar "Southern Cross". It was carried by Confederate troops in the field which were the vast majority of forces under the confederacy.
The Stars represented the 11 states actually in the Confederacy plus Kentucky and Missouri.



Confederate Navy Jack
Used as a navy jack at sea from 1863 onward. This flag has become the generally recognized symbol of the South.


* Both MO and KT had representatives in the CSA and USA national legislatures. They both had designated units in the national armies. Both the CSA and USA national governments recognized them as part of their respective countries. The only reason the two states are considered only part of the USA is that they were occupied by invaiding USA troops. Both MO and KT *were* a recognized part of the CSA

[Farmer]

Originally posted by VOR



I think it is a case of being able to enjoy one's cultural identity without being confrontational. The other though traditionally more accepted as the symbol of the confederacy through time has also become a symbol of hate to others. As such why not just accept folks are proud of their ancestors and wish to revere their memory in a way that doesn't offend most folks and not start a goddamned pissin match.



true - but one should also not have to concern oneself with "offending" someone.... One should not be "punished" for "offending" someone else. I find plenty of things offensive but choose to just let it slide....

this is supposed to be America - land of the free...

I don't care if it hair-lips every steer in Texas, my flag will be flying...

[VOR]

Originally posted by Farmer




true - but one should also not have to concern oneself with "offending" someone.... One should not be "punished" for "offending" someone else. I find plenty of things offensive but choose to just let it slide....

this is supposed to be America - land of the free...

I don't care if it hair-lips every steer in Texas, my flag will be flying...

When did you decide to stop being Christian?

[BushMaster]

http://www.crwflags.com/art/hist/bonnie.gif

We are a band of brothers
And native to the soil,
Fighting for the property
We gained by honest toil;
And when our rights were threatened,
The cry rose near and far
"Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star!"

Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern rights hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

As long as the Union
Was faithful to her trust,
Like friends and like brothers
Both kind were we and just;
But now, when Northern treachery
Attempts our rights to mar,
We hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern rights hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

First gallant South Carolina
Nobly made the stand,
Then came Alabama,
Who took her by the hand.
Next quickly Mississippi,
Georgia and Florida
All raised on high the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern rights hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

Ye men of valor, gather round
The banner of the right;
Texas and fair Louisiana
Join us in the fight.
Davis, our loved president,
And Stephens statesman are;
Now rally round the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern rights hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

And here's to old Virginia-
The Old Dominion State;
Who with the young Confederacy
At length has linked her fate;
Impelled by her example,
Now other states prepare
To hoist on high the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern rights hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

Then cheer, boys, cheer;
Raise the joyous shout,
For Arkansas and North Carolina
Now have both gone out;
And let another rousing cheer
For Tennessee be given,
The single star of the Bonnie Blue Flag
Has grown to be eleven.

Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern rights hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

Then here's to our Confederacy,
Strong are we and brave;
Like patriots of old we'll fight
Our heritage to save.
And rather than submit to shame,
To die we would prefer;
So cheer for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

Hurrah! Hurrah!
For Southern rights hurrah!
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star.

[LarryD]

sunshine state

[Puttingood]

At least 618,000 Americans died in the Civil War, and some experts say the toll reached 700,000. The number that is most often quoted is 620,000. At any rate, these casualties exceed the nation's loss in all its other wars, from the Revolution through Vietnam.
The Union armies had from 2,500,000 to 2,750,000 men. Their losses, by the best estimates:

Battle deaths: 110,070
Disease, etc.: 250,152
Total 360,222

The Confederate strength, known less accurately because of missing records, was from 750,000 to 1,250,000. Its estimated losses:

Battle deaths: 94,000
Disease, etc.: 164,000
Total 258,000

The leading authority on casualties of the war, Thomas L. Livermore, admitting the handicap of poor records in some cases, studied 48 of the war's battles and concluded:
Of every 1,000 Federals in battle, 112 were wounded.
Of every 1,000 Confederates, 150 were hit.
Mortality was greater among Confederate wounded, because of inferior medical service. The great battles, in terms of their toll in dead, wounded, and missing is listed on this site:

[Redcoat]

Will there be a procession?

[BushMaster]

Originally posted by Redcoat
Will there be a procession?


Hey, that don't look like a Confederate Battle Flag!

I guess they'll expect us to stop flying that one before it's over with.

[Puttingood]

Confederate losses by states, in dead and wounded only, and with many records missing (especially those of Alabama):


North Carolina 20,602
Virginia 6,947
Mississippi 6,807
South Carolina 4,760
Arkansas 3,782
Georgia 3,702
Tennessee 3,425
Louisiana 3,059
Texas 1,260
Florida 1,047
Alabama 724

[Redcoat]

Hey, that don't look like a Confederate Battle Flag!

They are confused..................as usual.


North Carolina 20,602
whew.
:(

[Puttingood]

The 26th division North Carolina, lost 714, of its 800 men at Gettysburg-in numbers and percentage the war's greatest losses. On the first day this regiment lost 584 dead and wounded, and when roll was called the next morning for G Company, one man answered, and he had been knocked unconscious by a shell burst the day before. This roll was called by a sergeant who lay on a stretcher with a severe leg wound.
The 24th Michigan, a gallant Federal regiment which was in front of the North Carolinians on the first day, lost 362 of its 496 men.

[Stargazer]

Originally posted by VOR


When did you decide to stop being Christian?


That's the second grumpy post that I've read from you today, VOR. Are you in a bad mood? :chucks:

[Farmer]

Originally posted by VOR


When did you decide to stop being Christian?

I did not - please explain your no doubt soon to be clear and very clever play of words...

[VOR]

Because being Christian is all about consiidering the other person, if that is not part of you beliefs then you are a follower of the whore.

[Puttingood]

Are they going to be auctioning off slaves tomorrow also? posted by barracuda

It's ignorant foreigners like you and know-it-all punks that make the South look bad by making those kind of statements and believing such bull-shit.
What would auctioning off slaves have to do with Southern people remembering their dead on a certain day?
I don't know the real figure but I would bet that the list of dead that I posted did not have many slave owners in it. Them slave owners were riding horses in this War. All my kin people were walking ar crawling.:rolleyes:
Of course I am sure that foreigners know a lot more than us Southerners about the War .

[LarryD]

aw, he don't know what he's talking about. same way i don't understand what it's like to have my hometown bombed.

[jbh27]

Originally posted by VOR
Because being Christian is all about consiidering the other person, if that is not part of you beliefs then you are a follower of the whore.

Can you be a bit more specific as to WHICH whore you are referring to??? I believe we all have our favorite whore! I just want to make sure my whore isn't someone else's whore here!

[VOR]

Read your bible

[jbh27]

Originally posted by VOR
Read your bible You are always telling me to read!!! Damn man...I'm up to my armpits in pig poop and you want me reading Revelations!!!

[Farmer]

Originally posted by VOR
Because being Christian is all about consiidering the other person, if that is not part of you beliefs then you are a follower of the whore.




I am quite sure you have no concept of my relationship with my God, so I will assume you forget yourself when you misspeak said relationship.

Being considerate of others is a wonderful thing - being considerate of others is something I normally aspire to.

I will not, however, be ridden roughshod over just because someone gets their feelings hurt over something of NO concern to them, whatsoever...

[jbh27]

Originally posted by Farmer

I will not, however, be ridden roughshod over

Damn right! That IS Fred's role!!!

[WilliamJ]

Thanks for the brief history lesson Putt. Yes indeed we, hell, all Americans should remember the gallant men who died for their belief that liberty and justice and fair taxation would make us a stronger nation. In my mind the South was right in the succeeding from the Union. We are of a course a conquered nation and the victor gets to write history and lay the laws of the land. Reguardless of what we learn from our schooling, this was indeed "The War For Southern Independence"

[VOR]

Originally posted by Farmer





I am quite sure you have no concept of my relationship with my God, so I will assume you forget yourself when you misspeak said relationship.

Being considerate of others is a wonderful thing - being considerate of others is something I normally aspire to.

I will not, however, be ridden roughshod over just because someone gets their feelings hurt over something of NO concern to them, whatsoever...

Don't bother me It's all irrelevent here. Justify your hatefullness anyway you want if it gets you out of bed in the morning. As I said before here it doesn't matter.

[Sportsgirl]

Thanks, Putt.

You seem like you are serious confederate historian, and not like some yahoo with an "in your face" attitude about the South.

Generally speaking, I have no problem with the flag you posted, but I will say the "other" flag still makes me a bit uncomfortable.

But, anyway, you enjoy the holiday.:)

[MarchBrown]

Thanks Putt. My great, great uncle Thomas Connell was one of the 714 of the 26 div. His portrait hangs over our fireplace. He was just a 19 y/o dirt farmer from Granville County.

[barracuda]

Originally posted by Puttingood
Are they going to be auctioning off slaves tomorrow also? posted by barracuda

It's ignorant foreigners like you and know-it-all punks that make the South look bad by making those kind of statements and believing such bull-shit.
What would auctioning off slaves have to do with Southern people remembering their dead on a certain day?
I don't know the real figure but I would bet that the list of dead that I posted did not have many slave owners in it. Them slave owners were riding horses in this War. All my kin people were walking ar crawling.:rolleyes:
Of course I am sure that foreigners know a lot more than us Southerners about the War .

Yes, I never grew up in an enviroment of racial discrimination, so I guess I would be a "ignorant foreigner” in that sense. Why don't you enlighten me on what this civil war was all about because I never implied that "Of course I am sure that foreigners know a lot more than us Southerners about the War "?

And as for disparaging your kin, that was not my intension. But what is my intension is to bring to light that some southern people MAY uses this holiday to remember the "good old days of owning slaves" and pouring salt in the wounds of black people.

Was the civil war not about the right of the southern people to own slaves and of the rest of the US wanting to abolish slavery?
If I'm wrong... that I must be an "ignorant foreigners"

no slavery :civilwar: yes to slavery

[VOR]

Geez stupidity from a guy from a place where eating beaver means eating beaver.

[Farmer]

Was the civil war not about the right of the southern people to own slaves and of the rest of the US wanting to abolish slavery?


No, actually it was not - thats just what the media and the multicultural crowd would have you believe.

[LarryD]

Originally posted by barracuda

Was the civil war not about the right of the southern people to own slaves and of the rest of the US wanting to abolish slavery?
If I'm wrong... that I must be an "ignorant foreigners"

no slavery :civilwar: yes to slavery


where have you been, 'cuda?

there's a thread here from last week all about this. the civil war was NOT about slavery. not even close.

[p2k1f]

vor, it's christians like you that give christianity a bad name. judge not and all that stuff. i follow the lakota way, and that means white buffalo calf woman's teachings about the canunpa and ceremony. it's funny, we've had all kinds of ministers and priests and other christians at our ceremony's and they've all come out with a better understanding and acceptance and have returned from time to time to pray with us in our way and asked my uncle and cousin to speak about our way in their ceremonies (church). those people seem to be christian to me. not people who call one of our avatar's a whore. christianity is such a strange religion - man against man, man against god, god against man, man against nature, nature against man, nature against god. But the teachings of Jesus make sense to all people, Lakota's also - he is viewed as the only perfect person, and seen to have gotten the rawest deal of anyone. If you think your belief in him excuses you from your judgement of others, and calling them followers of the whore, I think one day, if you meet him - you'll be very surprised at what he has to say about that.

[VOR]

That's right it was about the rights of states to selectivly ignore laws passed by the federal government. That one of those laws happened to concern slavery is largely irrelevent. That and the dumb ass farmers had gotten themselves bankrupt again and wanted another free ride like the got for joining the union in the first place.

[chipshot]

Was the civil war not about the right of the southern people to own slaves and of the rest of the US wanting to abolish slavery?

No, it wasn't. U.S. Grant said in his memoirs that he realized when he was old that families like the Vanderbilts politically and economically funded the North to open up the South's cheap labor to Northern industry.

[BearBryant]

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=civil+war&spell=1

here you go cuda. Pick a site and do some reading before you go spouting off at the mouth.

[p2k1f]

cuda can't help it. that's the bs they teach at school to try and make the war look better. you know, like the good guys won.

[VOR]

The good guys did win. If y'all weren't dumb enough to try to kill Lincoln you would have damn easier time during reconstruction to boot. Y'alls great great grand folks peed in their own cornflakes. And the fact that y'all spend so much time dwelling on the mistakes of your ancestors while largely ignoring the way the mill owners here kepy your pappies in virtual servitude shows that you haven't learned a thing. Who was the secretary of state during the bering seal controversy?

[p2k1f]

so the bad guys were the ones wanting the ability to sell their goods over seas for fair market prices, instead of getting ripped off by the north and forced into dire poverty. hmmmm? our ancestors were the bad guys. really i've got ancestors from the north and south and don't appreciate any of them being called that. i had said above that our school books tried to make it look a certain way - not that anyone involved was bad. you should change your name to VOS for the voice of shit

[BushMaster]

Originally posted by p2k1f
you should change your name to VOS for the voice of shit


Now that's a good one.:roflmao:

[VOR]

Originally posted by p2k1f
vor, it's christians like you that give christianity a bad name. judge not and all that stuff. i follow the lakota way, and that means white buffalo calf woman's teachings about the canunpa and ceremony. it's funny, we've had all kinds of ministers and priests and other christians at our ceremony's and they've all come out with a better understanding and acceptance and have returned from time to time to pray with us in our way and asked my uncle and cousin to speak about our way in their ceremonies (church). those people seem to be christian to me. not people who call one of our avatar's a whore. christianity is such a strange religion - man against man, man against god, god against man, man against nature, nature against man, nature against god. But the teachings of Jesus make sense to all people, Lakota's also - he is viewed as the only perfect person, and seen to have gotten the rawest deal of anyone. If you think your belief in him excuses you from your judgement of others, and calling them followers of the whore, I think one day, if you meet him - you'll be very surprised at what he has to say about that.

So let me get this straight you're religion is for hurting other people even though you don't have to if it makes you feel good. Sorry man can't buy that I think you spoke to the wrong jesus.

[Puttingood]

Cuda --this thread is about honoring the dead of a long ago War. And some of them just happen to be my kin and it wouldn't matter if they weren't. I would still honor them. Every other group of people in this Country has some sort of day and this one just happens to be one for the South,
Why it hairlips so many people to hear some one say that is beyond me.
I really don't hear a lot of Blacks against it or running off at the mouth as much as I do snivelling white people that have no fucking idea who they are much less where the fuck they are at.

It's just a simple holiday for a certain group of people.
Most the whites that complain are only trying to be cool and politically correct. They don't realize that good people can see honesty without looking at color. Stereotyping all people for what a few do is not the way to go.

[Farmer]

Originally posted by p2k1f
so the bad guys were the ones wanting the ability to sell their goods over seas for fair market prices, instead of getting ripped off by the north and forced into dire poverty. hmmmm? our ancestors were the bad guys. really i've got ancestors from the north and south and don't appreciate any of them being called that. i had said above that our school books tried to make it look a certain way - not that anyone involved was bad. you should change your name to VOS for the voice of shit


Just pay the VOR little mind, P2...

We all know and understand how inflated and crotchety he is.

I wish I were half the genius he thinks he is....

[barracuda]

Originally posted by BearBryant
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=civil+war&spell=1

here you go cuda. Pick a site and do some reading before you go spouting off at the mouth.

Thanks and here is an Excerpt from one of the documents on the causes of the civil war (the confederate view), you will need to read the whole document but it starts out like this. I copy enough of it so I would not be accused of taking it out of context.

http://members.aol.com/teachpdlaw/civilwar.htm

" Slavery was undoubtedly the immediate fomenting cause of the woeful American conflict. It was the great political factor around which the passions of the sections had long been gathered--the tallest pine in the political forest around whose top the fiercest lightnings were to blaze and whose trunk was destined to be shivered in the earthquake shocks of war. But slavery was far from being the sole cause of the prolonged conflict. Neither its destruction on the one hand, nor its defence on the other, was the energizing force that held the contending armies to four years of bloody work. I apprehend that if all living Union soldiers were summoned to the witness stand, every one of them would testify that it was the preservation of the American Union and not the destruction of Southern slavery that induced him to volunteer at the call of his country. As for the South, it is enough to say that perhaps eighty per cent. of her armies were neither slave-holders, nor had the remotest interest in the institution. No other proof, however, is needed than the undeniable fact that at any period of the war from its beginning to near its close the South could have saved slavery by simply laying down its arms and returning to the Union. "


SO before you start spouting off, I never indicated that slavery was the only reason, and you may want to read my whole post instead of pieces, and then jumping on the band wagon of criticism



Originally posted by barracuda


And as for disparaging your kin, that was not my intension. But what is my intension is to bring to light that some southern people MAY uses this holiday to remember the "good old days of owning slaves" and pouring salt in the wounds of black people.

[BearBryant]

that some southern people MAY uses this holiday to remember the "good old days of owning slaves" and pouring salt in the wounds of black people.

Is there a person alive that was actually a slave or "remembers" having slaves?

[barracuda]

Originally posted by Puttingood
Cuda --this thread is about honoring the dead of a long ago War. And some of them just happen to be my kin and it wouldn't matter if they weren't. I would still honor them. Every other group of people in this Country has some sort of day and this one just happens to be one for the South,
Why it hairlips so many people to hear some one say that is beyond me.
I really don't hear a lot of Blacks against it or running off at the mouth as much as I do snivelling white people that have no fucking idea who they are much less where the fuck they are at.

It's just a simple holiday for a certain group of people.
Most the whites that complain are only trying to be cool and politically correct. They don't realize that good people can see honesty without looking at color. Stereotyping all people for what a few do is not the way to go.

As I said before, I not trying to disparage your kin or the men who lost their live in this war on both sides or your right to remember them, just pointing out that NOT all southern people have the same honorable intentions as you toward this holiday.

And I have NOT criticized or belittled you or your view points on this matter as you AND otherS have toward me :D

[BearBryant]

Just bring us some good canadian beer on Sunday and you are forgiven!

[barracuda]

Originally posted by BearBryant
that some southern people MAY uses this holiday to remember the "good old days of owning slaves" and pouring salt in the wounds of black people.

Is there a person alive that was actually a slave or "remembers" having slaves?

Not that I know of BUT I have personally heard people express sentiments similar to that in front of me, and yes they do call themselves rednecks. (this was last year)

[barracuda]

Originally posted by BearBryant
Just bring us some good canadian beer on Sunday and you are forgiven!

Now your talking:beer:

[Puttingood]

Not that I know of BUT I have personally heard people express sentiments similar to that in front of me, and yes they do call themselves rednecks

I have also heard some people say that all Blacks are crack-heads and thieves and yes these people do call themselves good citizens.
You have to consider the source if you are going to believe what you hear.:)

[barracuda]

Originally posted by p2k1f
cuda can't help it. that's the bs they teach at school to try and make the war look better. you know, like the good guys won.

If you knew anything about Canadian education, you would know that our history as for most subjects, cover world history and not just a narrow view point of a state or reginal history. And that includes geography which was a bitch. AND I believe most of the History book we used for American history was from the US; in a sense you’re saying your view of history is BS :rolleyes:

[barracuda]

Originally posted by Puttingood
Not that I know of BUT I have personally heard people express sentiments similar to that in front of me, and yes they do call themselves rednecks

I have also heard some people say that all Blacks are crack-heads and thieves and yes these people do call themselves good citizens.
You have to consider the source if you are going to believe what you hear.:)

I agree, and I don't take anything on face value. I was trying to make my point to bearbryant that there are still people like that out there.

[gridfaniker]

Originally posted by BearBryant
Just bring us some good canadian beer

There's no such thing

[barracuda]

Originally posted by gridfaniker


There's no such thing

THOSE ARE FIGHTING WORDS, and obviously you are sadly misinformed, delusional, or have no taste
:chair:

[Puttingood]

There are people like that out there and people like I speak of out there. There are Black people that ain't never gonna let you forget just as there are Whites.
I don't particularly like most Blacks and most Whites that I have met personally.
I don't really have to like anybody if I don't want to. I ain't smart enough to argue the whys and what fors and don't see any reason to anyway.
In my house, we honor any Soldiers that defended "their" homeland and any Soldiers that helped someone else defend their land. And if my wife happened not to like it then her ass could hit the road too.
In your house, you can fly or do what ever you can live with and feel right about. If I ain't happy with it then I can hit the road also.
I ain't really in this world to make people like me by being quiet.:)


PS---Take that Canadien beer and hit a one eyed possum in the ass with it.:)

[VOR]

Originally posted by Farmer



Just pay the VOR little mind, P2...

We all know and understand how inflated and crotchety he is.

I wish I were half the genius he thinks he is....

Not a genius just can look a pile of shit and if it smells like shit and looks like shit I consider it shit. Y'all can't do that y'all have to taste the shit first to make sure that it's shit then not to be accused of eating shit you can never admit that it is indeed shit.

The Civil War was mostly about Slavery. The other stuff was a side show to clear you "Christian consciences"

[Puttingood]

The Civil War was mostly about Slavery.

Whether it was about slavery or it was about a woman. it still don't take away that 100s of thousands of people died on both sides and had no idea what it was about. It was only about something to certain ones.

[barracuda]

Originally posted by Puttingood

PS---Take that Canadien beer and hit a one eyed possum in the ass with it.:)

So does that mean you agree that Canadian beer is the best? I've never heard that expression, so I'll take who said it and figure that you don't agree, But then again you do drink Miller lite (AKA recycled Canadian BEER). :D :cheers:

[Farmer]

Originally posted by VOR

Not a genius just can look a pile of shit and if it smells like shit and looks like shit I consider it shit. Y'all can't do that y'all have to taste the shit first to make sure that it's shit then not to be accused of eating shit you can never admit that it is indeed shit.

The Civil War was mostly about Slavery. The other stuff was a side show to clear you "Christian consciences"


and you're full of shit...



I'll ask this question again for who ever ...

Why would the "South" decide to just secede so that it could "keep slavery" when the very Union it was a part of said that slavery was legal?

The North was not threatening to make it illegal - so if slavery was the issue - what gives?

the emancipation of slaves came near the end of the war and was part of the last push in the North's victory.

I know you were probably old enough to have been there and everything - but some of us actually know the truth about what happened - and not what is force fed in the school systems...

[Puttingood]

? I've never heard that expression, posted by Barracuda


Have you ever heard the expression "Eat shit and run rabbits"?

[barracuda]

Originally posted by Puttingood
? I've never heard that expression, posted by Barracuda


Have you ever heard the expression "Eat shit and run rabbits"?

No, but I have now:D . If you are referring to VOR, I only need to smell it to determine if it is shit.:cool:

[Puttingood]

No, I was refering to you.:D

[VOR]

Originally posted by Farmer



and you're full of shit...



I'll ask this question again for who ever ...

Why would the "South" decide to just secede so that it could "keep slavery" when the very Union it was a part of said that slavery was legal?

The North was not threatening to make it illegal - so if slavery was the issue - what gives?


the emancipation of slaves came near the end of the war and was part of the last push in the North's victory.

I know you were probably old enough to have been there and everything - but some of us actually know the truth about what happened - and not what is force fed in the school systems...


Well the why did seccession not happen until congress passed a law making slavery illegal in the new territories. Your argument doesn't wash the south only made idle threats about secession until the question of slave holding in the new territories came up.

In any event go back and read bauregards commentary about the events leading up to the war, and Hunters accounts of the same period.
Enough of this it's time to honor the dead not bicker.

[barracuda]

Originally posted by Puttingood
No, I was refering to you.:D

About Canadain Beer?:D

[VOR]

Yeah right drink warm moulskin or Labadds

[Fro]

3

[kshead]

1863

[JustJynx]

First of all I feel like I'm in excellent company with Putt, when I say I am very proud of my Southern Heritage. Not one of my ancestors owned a slave; and there were in fact, a few white slaves (something no one seems to ever mention). They were farmers and were themselves slave to their lands. When the Civil War began, most of my ancestors fought to have better homes, to be able to feed their families better, and to keep thier lands. The others who fought went North and it was truly a brother against brother war.

It seems some people only have a book or teacher to give them sketchy details of the Civil War. Some Southerners live with the details of the past, photos, weapons, letters... and some of us are lucky enough to still live on the land that was fought for. We fly our flags to honor our dead, the ones who stayed and fought under the confederate flag and the ones who went North, to honor our stubborness and determination in the face of War, things that have defined who we were and who we became.

I am not my ancestors. I am me. I am Southern and damned proud of my history. I will fly any flag I choose and I invite you to fly yours next to mine. I do not care who you sleep with, what you live in, how clean or what size your clothes are. I appreciate you being you and respect your right to express yourself. I deserve the same from you.

[Fred]

WHY do people yankees and people from other nations think the Civil War was over slavery? It was about State's Rights. The South was mandated to follow laws written by and for those up north when they had no idea how it was destroying the south. The south did the only thing they could do to survive. The south would have eventually abolished slavery just like every other nation in the world did. Again, the rebel flag is not a sign of hate, anger or discimination. It is our way of honoring our great grandfathers who fought and died trying to protect the land they loved. If that's a crime, well just tough fucking titty.


http://www.antietam.com/reenact/photos/images/rebel_flag_cannon.JPEG

[Puttingood]

This is my Great-Great-Great-Great-Great grandpa. He was kicked out of England for stealing stuff and spent 14 years as an 'Indentured Servant"


Putts GGGGG pa

Benjamin "the Immigrant" arrived in Virginia Jul 1734 on board the ship Caesar captained by William Loney. The exact port of arrival is not known. Benjamin was an involuntary émigré who had been transported to the American colonies by the British after he was convicted a crime in London.

Specifically, He was convicted in Middlesex in October 1733 for stealing a wooden drawer (money box) and 7s in the shop of John Wiggs. The account indicates that 4s 10d were retrieved and that Benjamin had no other goods that could be confiscated and used as compensation.

Benjamin pleaded not guilty, but was convicted. There were two witnesses against him, John Wiggs and John Farrell. He was sentenced to transportation to Virginia to serve a term laboring for a master to whom he would be "sold" upon arrival in Virginia. He was held at Newgate prison until he was put on the Ship Caesar 13 Jan 1734 and landed in Virginia in July 1734.

The term that most of the transported had to serve was usually seven or 14 years. It is probably no coincidence that the first record we find of Benjamin is the birth of his first son 14 years after he arrived in Virginia.

[BearBryant]

Het Putt..did you research your family tree or has someone in your family always kept up with family records?

[Puttingood]

Which brings us to my GG pa that was hung by "carpetbaggers" near the end of the Civil war. Major Reuben Rogers was wounded and sent home to the farm where other families were staying for safety against the rogue carpetbaggers that were robbing and looting the South. The carpetbaggers came through and hung the Major and took a mule and 3 chickens.:mad:

[Puttingood]

Het Putt..did you research your family tree or has someone in your family always kept up with family records?

A cousin in England has done most of it with help from the family. I was in the process when I ran across him and he has done a great job. Built a enormous page that is easy to navigate.:)

[p2k1f]

hey cuda, i was saying the history we get taught in school is bullshit. i didn't even know you had schools in canada, eh.

[reb]

Reb
Member of Sons of Confederate Veterans
Zebulon Vance Camp #15
Asheville, N.C.

Sixteen Confederate veteran ancestors. Two in the 26th N.C.

God Bless Dixie

[Fred]

No kidding reb? I have heard my dad talk about great uncles of his in the NC 26th. (Or was it the 6th...) Hell fire- I bet we're cousins or somethin'! ;)

[Puttingood]

The 26th division North Carolina, lost 714, of its 800 men at Gettysburg-in numbers and percentage the war's greatest losses. :(

[VOR]

Geez they must have been comanded by Burnside.

[mickey]

Originally posted by WilliamJ
... this was indeed "The War For Southern Independence"

Perhaps, but I have always preferred "The War of Aggression by Imperialist Lickspittle Yankee Running Dogs". But that's just me.

[reb]

Burnside was a Union Commander who wasted thousands of Union troops at Fredicksburg ( the Union's Picketts Charge). He also was in command of the 9th Army Corp at the Stone Bridge at Antietam. After heavy losses there also he got over the bridge.

The 26th North Carolina Infantry Regiment was commanded by Zebulon B. Vance. Col. Henry Burgwyn was in charge of the illfated attack at Gettsyburg.

the 26th was at Appomattox for the surrender.

[VOR]

To me it's always been the aborted invasion of screaming fools defending a hopeless cause. But that's just me.

[VOR]

Originally posted by Reb
Burnside was a Union Commander who wasted thousands of Union troops at Fredicksburg ( the Union's Picketts Charge). He also was in command of the 9th Army Corp at the Stone Bridge at Antietam. After heavy losses there also he got over the bridge.

The 26th North Carolina Infantry Regiment was commanded by Zebulon B. Vance. Col. Henry Burgwyn was in charge of the illfated attack at Gettsyburg.

the 26th was at Appomattox for the surrender.



I know that reb there is a very heroic stature to him on the mall in providence for like nathaniel greene he is a rhode island native. I was being facecious. Of burnside lincoln said that that man has the ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

[reb]

All causes are hopeless in the end but there is time for a lot more. The Sun doesn't go nova for several million years.

[mickey]

Originally posted by VOR
To me it's always been the aborted invasion of screaming fools defending a hopeless cause. But that's just me.

I think your dates are mixed up. That one started about the time the phrases "Rustbelt", "Snowbelt", and "Sunbelt" were coined.

[SilverSurfer]

I'm just happy to be here in Carolina. No place I'd rather live. :)

[LPBEAR55]

Putt,

Great post!!!! I had 5 ancestors die in the Civil War and am very proud of their contribution. I going to fly the flag, you bet!

I talked with the historian that is in charge of the excavation of the Confederate submarine, "The Hunley". He has a Ph.D. in History and Chairman for the "Sons of Confederate Veterans".

I hope everyone realizes that that the Civil War was fought because of the South wanting to break away from the Union, just like during the Revelutionary War, when America wanted to break away from England.

The Civil War had nothing what so ever to do with slavery. The Kings of Africa in fact sold their people to a lot of mostly northeners to work in factories. The Africans were not skilled enough to work in Northern factories.

The north sold slaves to some plantation owners in the south at that time to work crops.

Only 2% of Southeners owned slaves. Why would all Southeners fight against their on bretheren to keep slavery. They did not own any slaves and never wished to.

Before jumping all over this statement, go to your local library and do some research, instead of taking some bias opinion from other books.

[VOR]

Originally posted by mickey


I think your dates are mixed up. That one started about the time the phrases "Rustbelt", "Snowbelt", and "Sunbelt" were coined.


No No I distinctly remember the army of virginia marching on washington beating the union forces then being too pussily commanded to follow through. They should have folded their hand at that point. Oh well as you said once before God seems always to have been on the side of the united states.

[VOR]

Originally posted by LPBEAR55
Putt,

, instead of taking some bias opinion from other books.

Splain me this please?

[VOR]

Originally posted by LPBEAR55
Putt,

Great post!!!! I had 5 ancestors die in the Civil War and am very proud of their contribution. I going to fly the flag, you bet!

I talked with the historian that is in charge of the excavation of the Confederate submarine, "The Hunley". He has a Ph.D. in History and Chairman for the "Sons of Confederate Veterans".

I hope everyone realizes that that the Civil War was fought because of the South wanting to break away from the Union, just like during the Revelutionary War, when America wanted to break away from England.

The Civil War had nothing what so ever to do with slavery. The Kings of Africa in fact sold their people to a lot of mostly northeners to work in factories. The Africans were not skilled enough to work in Northern factories.

The north sold slaves to some plantation owners in the south at that time to work crops.

Only 2% of Southeners owned slaves. Why would all Southeners fight against their on bretheren to keep slavery. They did not own any slaves and never wished to.

Before jumping all over this statement, go to your local library and do some research, instead of taking some bias opinion from other books.



Yes you are exactly right the south wanted to break away from the union because they were soon to be outnumbered by free states and the right to own slaves would have been abolished by vote of congress as the deadlock over slavery would have been broken. That is fact and the fact that the leaders of the south at that tme tend to ramble on and on about the right to own slaves indeed says far more about how central an issue slavery was to the civil war than anything any phd in the year 2000 could synthesize.

[mickey]

Originally posted by VOR
Oh well as you said once before God seems always to have been on the side of the united states.

Ehh? I thought that was JoePong.

[VOR]

No it was eithe you or gladhatter, thought it was you.

[Puttingood]

. Each year at this time a bunch of ignorant racist rednecks would don their confederate uniforms with their bayonets and stand in front of the city court house.

And what my dear Kakia did you base your opinion on.
You call them ignorant racist rednecks. Did you know these people or are you just saying this is your opinion because you seen them in front of the Court house celebrating Confederate Memorial Day ?
I guess that with that kind of reasoning then you would assume that every black man standing on a corner is a dope dealer or that every woman that dresses suggestive and goes to a topless bar is a skanky ass whore.

[LPBEAR55]

VOR,

The Ph.D. that I am speaking of did not have to analize or synthesize anything. The material he has is from personal accounts, some not published in history books.

I am sure if I submitted to you resources that contain some of this material, whould you be willing to be somewhat "open minded" to consider these issue in a different light?

[VOR]

I've read references to the fact that the south wanted to succede because of the tariffs on industrial goods but tended to use secession as a tool to extract concessions from the north any time any sort of argument arose. However that still doesn't was away the fact that the south did not make good on the threat of seccession until the vote on slavery in the new territories. The slavery issue was 90 percent of the cause of the act yes the other issues were active but slavery was the straw that broke the camels back. I realize that it is important for you to believe that your ancestors went to war for some noble cause but that simply isn't the case. They want to retain the right to own other people, and that right was close to being taken away, so they decided to destroy the country as best they could and screw it up for everybody.

[cltbuilder]

I'm gonna jump in here with my two ass pennies for a second...

The black people celebrate Martin Luther King Jr. Day.
The gays celebrate the Stonewall Riots and have gay Pride parades.
The Chinese have their New Years at a different time than most people.
The French (god bless them) have Bastille Day.
The British....Help me out Redcoat.
The jews don't do anything that most people do.


So what's wrong with this picture? Each one of those is indicative of the groups' heritages and histories. While I don't consider myself a fag waving confederate, if I get to have my day, well god-fucking-dammit, these people have every right in my mind to have their days too. Damn.

Anyway....Happy Memorial Day Putt. Our families earned it.

[Puttingood]

Thank you Builder.

[Lainey]

The British have Boxing Day.:)

[mickey]

Originally posted by cltbuilder
The British....Help me out Redcoat.

He ain't here, but maybe Guy Fawkes Day? Or Whitsunday. Maybe the Queen's Birthday? Half-Ounce Day? No national holiday is worth spit unless there was shooting or beheading involved somewhere.

[VOR]

Yeah brit holidays really suck things like national donkey cart day, and hedgerow trimmers day.


The polacks here celebrate pulaski day.

[magnus]

Originally posted by p2k1f
so the bad guys were the ones

The bad guys were the ones stupid enough to go to war over it. That goes for both sides, and last I checked there wasn't a draft back then.

[magnus]

Originally posted by Fred
WHY do people yankees and people from other nations think the Civil War was over slavery? It was about State's Rights. The South was mandated to follow laws written by and for those up north when they had no idea how it was destroying the south. The south did the only thing they could do to survive. The south would have eventually abolished slavery just like every other nation in the world did. Again, the rebel flag is not a sign of hate, anger or discimination. It is our way of honoring our great grandfathers who fought and died trying to protect the land they loved. If that's a crime, well just tough fucking titty.


And the largest of the rights being fought over? slavery. In the end, the coastal southern plantations would lose a great amount of money over the north not allowing them free labor. So it came down to state's rights versus individual rights. I'm willing to hear about the other rights that were as important, but I don't know I'd go around thinking that any of them were as big as this one.

[BearBryant]

The was a draft in the Civil War. You could pay $300 or fight.

[VOR]

Originally posted by magnus ver magnusson


The bad guys were the ones stupid enough to go to war over it. That goes for both sides, and last I checked there wasn't a draft back then.

Yeah there was a draft on both sides on the union side you could pay someone to take your place the chases and roosevelts did that. I remember reading in the south they conscripted men on the fly if they were going by your farm and needed men they took a couple of your kids.

[BearBryant]

Originally posted by Kakia69



if it was any other town, i probably would have a different opinion. It was just the way they celebrated it...and really didn't honor the day they way it should have been. This town still held their weekly KKK meetings. It was like a secret society.

Putt..you better take this one..

[WilliamJ]

Another historical sidenote.......The founder of the KKK, shit I can't remember his name, was one of the finest Cavalry leaders ever....

[magnus]

Originally posted by BearBryant
The was a draft in the Civil War. You could pay $300 or fight.
no doubt?

well this whole war thing is just getting dumber and dumber. No disrespect to brave men on either side who fought and died but seems like the whole thing makes no damn good sense at all.
I can relate well to Kathy on this one...wasn't born here, grew up in one of the largest towns of KKK activity, and to boot I went through grade school as a minority. Tends to change the way you think about things.

[Kakia69]

Isn't there a confederate flag day?

[Puttingood]

Putt..you better take this one.. posted by Bear

:) I just can't fight it no more. I can't drive in the snow either.:D

[BearBryant]

http://www.nara.gov/publications/prologue/meier.html

Interesting names on here that would have most likely changed history had they fought.

[Puttingood]

Watch em Bear--they will edit a post in a heartbeat,:D

[BearBryant]

Late 1800's The Ku Klux Klan was formed as a social club by a group of Confederate Army veterans in Pulaski, Tennessee around 1865. A Confederate General, Nathan Bedford Forrest, was the Klan's first leader, whose title was the Grand Wizard


would post the site but God only knows where that would go.

[BushMaster]

Originally posted by VOR
Yeah brit holidays really suck things like national donkey cart day, and hedgerow trimmers day.


The polacks here celebrate pulaski day.


You are a fucking asshole.

Now that I have said that, I feel much better.

I have visions of (piece of shit brown Fiero, trains rattling houses,
28032...

It takes a lot to piss me off, usually I ignore your post because of the bullshit content you little pisspump.

The next time you do the mountain at 70... (dream on)...

You are more full of shit than all the chimps at the zoo.

[Puttingood]

I can relate well to Kathy on this one...wasn't born here, grew up in one of the largest towns of KKK activity, posted by Mag

So, you and Kathy are so narrowminded that you think that any guys dressed up in Confederate Uniforms on Confederate Memorial Day in front of a Court House would not by chance be celebrating a holiday but they would be racist, rednecks ?
Thats what this thread is about, its about a Memorial Day for fallen brothers and sisters. But y'all have decided that any one that participates is a racist redneck.
Talk about predjudice !
:rolleyes:

[magnus]

no, I don't feel that anyone that's celebrating is a racist or a redneck. I'm saying when you've seen the worse extremes of something, you sometimes associate those things with related situations. I haven't called a soul a redneck and I haven't looked down on anyone for anything. But if you want to put words in my mouth and try to make me a villain, that's your business.

[Puttingood]

Reb
Member of Sons of Confederate Veterans
Zebulon Vance Camp #15
Asheville, N.C.

Sixteen Confederate veteran ancestors. Two in the 26th N.C.

God Bless Dixie



Each year at this time a bunch of ignorant racist rednecks would don their confederate uniforms with their bayonets and stand in front of the city court house.

Thats purty damn rude of y'all.

[BearBryant]

Thats why I said you better take that one Putt. That could be one the most ignorant comments ever made on this board. I'll leave it at that.

[Puttingood]

Oh, I see, you can relate to Kathys remarks but you don't relate to all of them. Just the ones you want to. You the one that posted it and now you got your panties in a bunch cause someone called you on it.:D

[magnus]

nah, that ain't it at all. You want me to have said what she said so you can bitch at me some more. I didn't say that and I don't feel that. But I grew up with a different perspective than you did, and where I grew up there were a lot more people that valued the southern constituents of the war for racist reasons than for any such heritage. That doesn't make it what I feel, that doesn't make it how I view people who are awfully defensive about what they feel either.

[BearBryant]

interesting reading..take it for what you wish..http://www.pointsouth.com/csanet/kkk.htm

I would start a thread with this but...

[Puttingood]

I can relate well to Kathy on this one...wasn't born here, grew up in one of the largest towns of KKK activity, and to boot I went through grade school as a minority. Tends to change the way you think about things. posted by mag


Please note your previous post in reference to Kakias post which is as follows-------

Each year at this time a bunch of ignorant racist rednecks would don their confederate uniforms with their bayonets and stand in front of the city court house.

Now please note your last post

nah, that ain't it at all. You want me to have said what she said so you can bitch at me some more. I didn't say that and I don't feel that

[magnus]

I can relate to her viewpoint.

>>if it was any other town, i probably would have a different opinion. It was just the way they celebrated it...and really didn't honor the day they way it should have been. This town still held their weekly KKK meetings. It was like a secret society.

You'll see what you want, but I didn't call anyone anything.

[Puttingood]

that doesn't make it how I view people who are awfully defensive about what they feel either. posted by mag

The reason I have to get defensive is because of ignorant ass crackers like you. You don;t know a fucking thing that you are talking about but you dip your nose in anyway. You have no basis for your opinion and no facts to back it up. You just want to argue because you just don't think its right for someone else to have an opnion diferent than yours. You know diddly squat about the South other than what some teacher told you or you heard in a bar. You ain't got to argue everytime, Damn, let somebody else be right sometimes.

[Puttingood]

You'll see what you want, but I didn't call anyone anything.

What I see is your ass backing up. :D

You said what you thought you could get away with or you would have made it clear how you related to Kathy.

[cltbuilder]

I been thinking that for a while now Putt. Some people just ain't happy without stirring the pot a little. Give a man a break Mags. Just let him do what he wants to do cause he's too damn old and too damn stubborn to give in to anyone. Once you get to be his age, you'll understand where he's been. He's not trying to re-write history. This thread was about remembering the people that died. Not about who or what anyone thinks is a racist. This thread was about those that died. Right or wrong, poor or rich, north and south. Damn.

[BearBryant]

unless she actually saw kkk members and confederate soldiers gathering in the same place or actually attended a kkk meeting then I think that statement is total horseshit. There are no known chapters of the KKK in Carrolton GA.

[magnus]

>>The reason I have to get defensive is because of ignorant ass crackers like you.

That's the thing. You don't have to get defensive. Me not agreeing with you isn't attacking you.


>>You don;t know a fucking thing that you are talking about but you dip your nose in anyway.

Yeah, God forbid I get to say what I think when you don't agree :D

>>You have no basis for your opinion and no facts to back it up.

I've never really stated an opinion that needed facts to back it up. I'm in this only for light discussion and apparently to be yelled at for having a differing opinion.

>>You just want to argue because you just don't think its right for someone else to have an opnion diferent than yours.

Funny, since you were the one coming after me telling me that I was saying something I wasn't, and started a thread to make fun of what I thought.

I personally don't see the big deal. I simply state what I think, and I'm not pushing anything on anyone. If you don't agree, just pass over what I'm saying. I'm not insulting anyone, I'm not starting any trouble, just live with the fact that I've got an opinion and I'm going to add it.

[cltbuilder]

Originally posted by magnus ver magnusson
I personally don't see the big deal. I simply state what I think, and I'm not pushing anything on anyone. If you don't agree, just pass over what I'm saying. I'm not insulting anyone, I'm not starting any trouble, just live with the fact that I've got an opinion and I'm going to add it.


Then drop it when you're done. But you prefer to argue. Just want you to see what it is you're doing. You've proven this several times this week in R&R.

[magnus]

Originally posted by Puttingood


You said what you thought you could get away with or you would have made it clear how you related to Kathy.

no, I have no reason to call anyone anything. Should I have been more clear? Sure. That shouldn't give you liberty to put words in my mouth.

[magnus]

>>]I been thinking that for a while now Putt. Some people just ain't happy without stirring the pot a little. Give a man a break Mags. Just let him do what he wants to do cause he's too damn old and too damn stubborn to give in to anyone.

What am I doing? All I'm doing is discussing. He tried to say I was calling all people who celebrate this, ignorant racists. I didn't say that. I'm not calling anyone racist and I don't care who thinks who is a racist.

[magnus]

Originally posted by cltbuilder



Then drop it when you're done. But you prefer to argue. Just want you to see what it is you're doing. You've proven this several times this week in R&R.

No, I don't want to argue. People bring arguments to me. Sorry, but I tend not to be one to just sit there and have people badmouth me because they want to or because they're confused about what I'm saying or what they want me to say.

But if that's what you want, me and whatever view it is you think I have are gonna be out of this thread so I don't go rocking the boat by trying to speak in a subject I ain't welcome.

[Puttingood]

Mag---I just copied and pasted what you said. Are you on medication or something. Its kind of strange that in all the arguments you have on this board, you always inevitably say that you you din't say something when everybody can read it. You post it and then when you are called on it, you always say "you seen what you wanted". Everybody sees what you posted, not what they wanted.
How did you know the other thread was about you. Did I mention your name ? Or did you see what you wanted to see.

[magnus]

>>Did I mention your name ? Or did you see what you wanted to see.

you stated my name, yes, before you edited it out. Then you said it was "funny" that I didn't have the same respect for the confederate flag you did.

I don't feel that all people who honor the South are rednecks, ignorant, or racist. I don't have the right to judge anyone individually, much less an entire group, and I'm not going to do that.
That's one more post than I actually promised I'd make about this. So I'll let y'all have the last word on it, so you can sit there and talk bad about me and whatever else it is you want to do tonight. Sorry to have interrupted your conversation, and I sincerely haven't intended to insult anyone with any of my views, nor have I intended to insult anyone with the words I used.

[BearBryant]

Originally posted by magnus ver magnusson

I don't have the right to judge anyone individually, much less an entire group, and I'm not going to do that.


:rolleyes:

[Puttingood]

you stated my name, yes, before you edited it out. Then you said it was "funny" that I didn't have the same respect for the confederate flag you did.

we were just discussing the other thread I started and now you state this. If I stated your name and said what you just said I said, would the post not say that it had been edited ? I'll go look and see because I don't remember editing it.

[Puttingood]

I have decided not to celebrate Confederate Memorial Day ***
There are some people that are not happy about it and it would break my fuckin heart if I thought for one second that these honkys were offended.


__________________
It's called "life" and it don't come with no guarantees. So get your ass back in there !




Thats my post and it looks like you have made a mistake. It don't look like it has been edited to me.

[Puttingood]

How did you know the other thread was about you. Did I mention your name ? Or did you see what you wanted to see. posted by me
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


>>Did I mention your name ? Or did you see what you wanted to see.

you stated my name, yes, before you edited it out. Then you said it was "funny" that I didn't have the same respect for the confederate flag you did. posted by you


Now go to the thread and show everybody where I edited the post. Copy and paste it and show it to everyone.

[wossa]

son

of

a

bitch

when's it gonna be my turn to engage mags in a run off at the mouth fight?

really looking forward to one of those.

:rolleyes:

[Puttingood]

He got caught on that one. :D He is a moderator, he should have known it would show that it had been edited if it had.

[magnus]

I guess I just don't make myself clear enough, since I was talking about the post in which you named me and then edited my name out. That's why I called it that, and that's why I figured it was specific enough for you to come to that conclusion rather than this one. Maybe if I were more clear I'd at least give people less room to find spots to jump down my neck.

[Puttingood]

I guess I just don't make myself clear enough, since I was talking about the post in which you named me and then edited my name out.

Whatever :rolleyes:

[magnus]

Originally posted by Puttingood
He got caught on that one. :D He is a moderator, he should have known it would show that it had been edited if it had.

way I figure it, if you were looking to actually notice what I was talking about you could have done it.

http://thisboardrocks.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=5193

[Puttingood]

You are so full of fucking shit. I deleted the question "Is Mag still mad over the Rebel Flag deal"? I deleted it and apologized in a later post. The whole thread was just an attempt at humor and others say it was funny till you just couldn't take a joke. I deleted it because you seemed upset about it but then you wouldn't shut up and you still ain't shut up about it. You intentionally try to make a point off some one else and sometimes you are right but you just push and push adding what you want and then taking away what you want. You always want to win at any cost when sometimes its better to just shut up. Loosen up a little and quit making people think you are a sore loser. You turn every post in to a contest. Grow the fuck up and quit being such a baby.

[wossa]

hey Putt now I think you got a reson to start drinking tonight.

Miller Lite is good for the nerves. :)

[Puttingood]

:beer: :beer: :beer:

After all, today is Confederate Memorial Day :)

[magnus]

my point was that it's not me coming after anyone for anyone's opinion. The problem now,, as it was then, is that you have a problem with mine. I'm not trying to win anything and I'm not trying to fight. I'm not attacking a thing of yours and I've never used one word in this thread as an insult.

[VOR]

Originally posted by Puttingood
:beer: :beer: :beer:


Well go to the VFW and quaff a few rootbeers with joe muldune, Oh wait that's may 30. Go chug some mead and a few shots of double run. And stay away from those camp girls you don't know what they're carrying now adays

[Puttingood]

And stay away from those camp girls you don't know what they're carrying now adays posted by VOR

Last year they carried pepper spray.:D

[BearBryant]

Hey Put...I bet you don't get any emails about facing Mag like a man on the board this time.

[BearBryant]

http://www.confederate-rose.org/ncocr/AlbemarleMay2002.htm

[barracuda]

Originally posted by Lainey
The British have Boxing Day.:)

So Does Canada :D

[cltbuilder]

So instead of dropping you kids on the floor, you beat them about the ears?

[LarryD]

whew. methinks y'all aren't drinking enough at night.

[Piper]

My kin were largely Unionites, like most mountain folk. Well, to be truthful, most of my kin folk were drunk of their ass from sipping to much of our “cash crop.”
Rebels were largely bottom and flatlanders, and we didn’t think too much of those snooty folk.

[Puttingood]

:wavey: :wavey: :wavey:

We're Back !!!!!!!!:D

[reb]

Since we are back...

I'd just like to jump in here and say it is a good thing kikia69 has a pussy because she is dumb as a rock. I can repeat that if you'd like.

yankee cunt

[BearBryant]

somtimes having a pussy doe not do any good either..

[WilliamJ]

This is like the never ending thread....

I had family on both sides of the line back then....My GGG Uncle Morrisey was conscripted into the union army right after he got of the boat frome Ireland, he lost a leg at Gettysburg.....On my maternal G'Ma's side the Landis clan out of Harrisonburg, Va. fought in Jackson's Corp at Fredricksburg and Manassas....

[Puttingood]

Damn, this bout slipped off the first page ! I found it just in time.:)

[LPBEAR55]

I am going to celebrate Confederate Memorial Day, until midnight and then, I am going to celebrate it every day from now on.

Oh! One thing VOR: How can you say my ancestors fought the Civil War for no cause? Do you actually believe that brother would fight against brother in order to own slaves? I value your opinion, but it's just not right.

SO! FUCK OFF! JERK!

[BearBryant]

dang Putt..why are you letting this slide off the front page?

[Puttingood]

Had a run in with a blind man and has my mind sliding. Good catch though.:)

[VOR]

Originally posted by BearBryant
dang Putt..why are you letting this slide off the front page?

I will be happy to resume jerking your dumbass chain after midnight, but please honor those brave men who have fallen during that unfortunate period of our history.

[magnus]

remember - it's honor, not celebrate. :D

[Kakia69]

Originally posted by BearBryant
unless she actually saw kkk members and confederate soldiers gathering in the same place or actually attended a kkk meeting then I think that statement is total horseshit. There are no known chapters of the KKK in Carrolton GA.

well, the KKK exists in Carrollton, without a doubt. Do you remember Neal Horseley? He is a KKK member who lives in Carrollton. He started up that website listing doctors who performed abortions and would place a red line through each doctor's name once he/she was killed? There may not be an official chapter, but I do know it exists there.

[Puttingood]

Neal Horsley is the leader of the Creators Rights Party.

I don't know of any one that would back him but I do know he is from Georgia and has threatened to use nuclear weapons to overthrow the Government.

[Puttingood]

remember - it's honor, not celebrate. :D posted by mag

I ain't gonna feed the sickness tonight.:rolleyes:

[magnus]

it was meant in a light hearted manner, take it in that context.

[Puttingood]

Fuck You !

take it at that.

[magnus]

uhh, okay :D if you want to get bent out of shape at every little comment that's your problem.

[Puttingood]

Oh sorry, you must have took my Fuck You out of context.:D

[magnus]

if you honestly relate the two, then I'm sorry. But there ain't a thing I can do if you honestly take insult to what I said earlier tonight.

[BearBryant]

I think the problem here is Magnus' humor is very dry and usually not funny.

[Puttingood]

if you honestly relate the two, then I'm sorry. But there ain't a thing I can do if you honestly take insult to what I said earlier tonight.

You obviously have taken my saying "Fuck You" personally.

[Kakia69]

"While Florida would later join Georgia in marking April 26 as Confederate Memorial Day, other states celebrated different dates. By 1916, ten southern states marked June 3--Jefferson Davis's birthday--as Confederate Memorial Day. Alabama and Mississippi celebrate the fourth Monday in April, while North and South Carolina celebrate May 10--the anniversary of Jefferson Davis's capture by Union troops--as Memorial Day"


Why different dates for different states?

[magnus]

yep, it's me going around taking things wrong, sure :D
never fails, I can say anything anymore and chances are the people who wish to take it wrong, will.

blame VoR, it's his joke.

[BearBryant]

I've wondered the same thing. mY guess is since it is not a national holiday, each state has it's own reason for choosing the date.

[Puttingood]

Fuck You ! posted by puttingood:D

[Puttingood]

Ok--this threads over. I am gonna delete the whole thing since Confederate Memorial Day is over. I would like to thank all for their comments and must say that I have learned a lot about a few people out there. Watch your numbers go down.:D

[cltbuilder]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

[Puttingood]

Whats the problem there Blankman ?

[BearBryant]

dont do it putt

[VOR]

Originally posted by magnus ver magnusson
yep, it's me going around taking things wrong, sure :D
never fails, I can say anything anymore and chances are the people who wish to take it wrong, will.

blame VoR, it's his joke.

Damn Mags why do you persist in pissing is these boys soup. I'm quite serious about this, dead solders are about the only thng I'm serious about. go spread your bullshit some where else. Don't ever degraded the memory of someone who has sacrificed his life for his beliefs regardless of how boorish others may be.

[magnus]

I'm not degrading the memory of anyone. If one is to die, it's better to honor that person than to celebrate. Your words. Damn I tell you what for people who don't take a thing serious y'all sure do change that stance quick for my benefit.

[Puttingood]

dont do it putt

Ok- I won't

[Puttingood]

Damn I tell you what for people who don't take a thing serious y'all sure do change that stance quick for my benefit.

Not me Mag----I still stick with the "Fuck You" thing.:D

[cltbuilder]

Originally posted by Puttingood
Whats the problem there Blankman ?

We learned some valuable lessons in this thread and I had three really decent posts. That don't happen often for me. :D

[Kakia69]

Originally posted by BearBryant
I've wondered the same thing. mY guess is since it is not a national holiday, each state has it's own reason for choosing the date.


We already have Memorial Day which honors all. I can't seem to find any holiday that directly pertains to the Union Soldiers, though. Just figured what's good for the south, is good for the North.

[BearBryant]

this thread will be good to bring back next year! the way its going it might still be on the front page.

[Puttingood]

I can't seem to find any holiday that directly pertains to the Union Soldiers, though. posted by kakia

Start one and you will find that I will tip my hat and show it complete respect, the same kind of respect that should be shown to all .

[BearBryant]

"Memorial Day" was not declared a federal holiday until 1971, the last Monday of May. The confedrates just celebrated their holiday on different days up until then. Memorial day is a pretty new holiday still and some things take longer to change. Eventually the "Confederate Memorial Day" will probably be all but forgotten.

[VOR]

Originally posted by BearBryant
"Memorial Day" was not declared a federal holiday until 1971, the last Monday of May. The confedrates just celebrated their holiday on different days up until then. Memorial day is a pretty new holiday still and some things take longer to change. Eventually the "Confederate Memorial Day" will probably be all but forgotten.
No Memorial Day has been around in the northern states since the civil war and it has always been observed on may 30 in 71 they just weekendized to keep big business happy having holidays in the middle of the week is contraproductive. Most southern states refused to observe the may 30 day for obvious reasons. since then memorial day has become a day of rememberance for those who perished in all wars fought by the US.

[BearBryant]

memorial day has been around since 1868. Like I said "Federal Holiday" since 1971 or commercialized in 1971 :D

[Puttingood]

We learned some valuable lessons in this thread and I had three really decent posts. That don't happen often for me. posted by Builder

Yeah, we all learned a few things.:)

[Puttingood]

This was posted by TeachNC on another forum and it seems to make sense to me.




There were many "causes" of the Civil War, but in 1861 the slavery issue was barely running in the background. Lincoln himself did not come around to support the emancipation of slaves until late in the War. In fact, he had never advocated action to abolish slavery nor did he speak out against the Illinois rules prohibiting blacks from testifying against whites. The true abolition candidate, Gerrit Smith of New York drew very few votes in the Presidential election. Even during his inaugural address Lincoln made it clear he would not interfere with slavery where it existed. Although he made this speech after the South seceded he left the door open for their return.

Essentially, there were two reasons why slavery was not of any great importance to most Southerners: (1) most Southerners did not own slaves; only the wealthiest and largest landowners could afford slaves, and (2) most Southerners, as did much of the rest of the country, saw slavery as a dying institution.

Eli Whitney's cotton gin (1793) was replacing much of the manual labor required of slaves. But perhaps most importantly, much of the South was already bringing the institution to an end. In 1798 Georgia forbid further importation of slaves and the Constitution outlawed it in 1808. Over the next 40 years lesser skirmishes were fought over slavery including the Compromise of 1820. But by the outbreak of the Civil War, the majority of the slaves in north Georgia were of Native American, Scottish or Irish descent.

Most of the problems the South saw coming more than one hundred fifty years ago are being replayed today: "oppressive" federal government, high taxation (they were called tariffs before the War), and a government unresponsive to law abiding citizens. The American Civil War was fought over many things, but slavery was not one of them. The exaggerated importance of slavery as a “cause” of the War is a modern myth perpetuated by those either with a social agenda or those simply uninformed. Rather, emancipation was an unintended outcome of the War; not its cause. It's hard to imagine today, but there was actually a time in America when State law was ascendant to Federal law. So in a classic sense, the American Civil War was fought over a States’ right to self-government.

[Piper]

All you say is true Putt, but it leaves out a couple of things.

One thing Southerners were upset at was the position Linclon had on slavery in western states. Southerns believed each state should decide for themselves (states rights), Linclon wanted to confine slavery to the South, so it would die there. And he wanted to use the power of the federal government to dictate that. So in a sense, slavery was the primary cause.

Still, 75% of the populace, North and South, were White Supremacist. Even Linclon had a great deal of prejudice, or at least used other prejudice to his advantage.

Two, the Republicans had a radical wing, and most Southerners suspected that deep down, Linclon was an abolishonist. They weren't far from the truth. From his memoirs and published accounts (see the Linclon bio), he personally had a distaste for slavery, and wanted it to end. He just did not believe he had the power to do so Constitutionally, and even if he did, he didn't want to split the Union over it, and later, feared losing the border states, one of course which was Maryland.

Third, a lot of the power base in the South, which polically was the land owners, detested the Republican, Jeffersonian concept of liberty. A good bit of them believed in the aristocratical concept, almost a 19th Century Frace concept of rule. They saw themselves as the rightful rulers of the land, that should inherit the vast riches of not only the South, but the West as well. In the end, their idea was to preserve Antebellum, at the expense on not only slaves, but poor white folks as well.

That's part of the reason Mountian folk in the Appalachains thought you rebels were a bunch of fags.

Linclon was a politition, a great one, but still a political animal.

[magnus]

the cotton gin was a good point, but it doesn't pick the cotton. It doesn't tend to the field. Certainly, by the time steam-driven equipment would have come around, it's possible that a few people could have tended to a large farm.

I can't overlook this one though.

Confederate vice president Alexander H. Stephens made this clear in his famous Cornerstone speech in 1861 in Savannah, Georgia. Stephens said: "Our new government is founded upon exactly the opposite idea [in the U.S. Constitution that all men are created equal]; its foundations are laid, its corner-stone rests upon the great truth, that the Negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery -subordination to the superior race - is his natural and normal condition."

Yeah, Piper, rich white people hated poor white people a good deal too. But that's just what the history books said, and the old records of the Observer that the history books quoted. Funny thing is that whites and blacks lived together in a relatively peaceful situation till Democrats pushed to separate the white vote from the black to overthrow the Republicans who had gained a majority by combining the working class white with the working class black to gain majority.

In other words, rich white folk didn't like losing and touched off segregation and hatred just to get back in for a while longer.

[reb]

1

[reb]

2

[reb]

3

[reb]

4

[reb]

Have a Dixie day y'all :D

[Puttingood]

:)

[BearBryant]

Outstanding work Reb and Putt

[Puttingood]

Thank you Bear ! Heres one for the Bear !:)

[reb]

salute

[mickey]

.

[mickey]

.

[mickey]

-

[hero]

Fuck conferderate memorial day. And fuck dixie.

Long live General Grant.

[Puttingood]

We know you didn't mean that hero. You are just bitter right now but you will soon come around and get in place.:)

[BearBryant]

Originally posted by Reb
salute

So are you Reb! I wouldn't have it any other way! Thanks!

[slydevl]

:D

[meatpile]

qwerty

[hero]

Originally posted by Puttingood
We know you didn't mean that hero. You are just bitter right now but you will soon come around and get in place.:)

OK, Putt you got me, I take back the part about dixie.

[BearBryant]

i love the south

[magnus]

I read recently that, under the new government of WVa, the only secession from the Confederation, the people formed under the statement "mountaineers are always free". The latin translation adorns their flag. I'll admit, I didn't know that situation until you brought it up.


Originally posted by Piper
All you say is true Putt, but it leaves out a couple of things.

One thing Southerners were upset at was the position Linclon had on slavery in western states. Southerns believed each state should decide for themselves (states rights), Linclon wanted to confine slavery to the South, so it would die there. And he wanted to use the power of the federal government to dictate that. So in a sense, slavery was the primary cause.

Still, 75% of the populace, North and South, were White Supremacist. Even Linclon had a great deal of prejudice, or at least used other prejudice to his advantage.

Two, the Republicans had a radical wing, and most Southerners suspected that deep down, Linclon was an abolishonist. They weren't far from the truth. From his memoirs and published accounts (see the Linclon bio), he personally had a distaste for slavery, and wanted it to end. He just did not believe he had the power to do so Constitutionally, and even if he did, he didn't want to split the Union over it, and later, feared losing the border states, one of course which was Maryland.

Third, a lot of the power base in the South, which polically was the land owners, detested the Republican, Jeffersonian concept of liberty. A good bit of them believed in the aristocratical concept, almost a 19th Century Frace concept of rule. They saw themselves as the rightful rulers of the land, that should inherit the vast riches of not only the South, but the West as well. In the end, their idea was to preserve Antebellum, at the expense on not only slaves, but poor white folks as well.

That's part of the reason Mountian folk in the Appalachains thought you rebels were a bunch of fags.

Linclon was a politition, a great one, but still a political animal.

[Puttingood]

May the names of the dead that we cherish
Fill memory's cup to the brim;
May the laurels we've won never perish,
Nor our stars of their glory grow dim.
May our states of the South never sever
But companions of freedom e'er be;
May they flourish Confed'rate forever,
The boast of the brave and the free.

[mickey]

Despite all this, I profoundly believe that if the stated purpose of the war had been to free or retain slaves, neither side would have been able to raise a single regiment of volunteers.

[Puttingood]

True:)

[BearBryant]

the south is the best

[magnus]

Originally posted by mickey
Despite all this, I profoundly believe that if the stated purpose of the war had been to free or retain slaves, neither side would have been able to raise a single regiment of volunteers.

which is precisely why it wasn't brought up (to the north's detriment, since they were so worried about the south being recognized as a separate gov't) until it was "safe" (the North started winning the war).

I dunno. I asked but no one could come up with a state's right worth fighting about otherwise.

[ZooperS]

http://www.civilwarhome.com/images/intro2.jpg

From the blood soaked plains of Manassas, to the smoke filled skies of Atlanta, and finally to the tear filled eyes at Appomattox.
For four of the bloodiest years in the history of this Republic the war raged. It started as Yanks and Rebs, it ended as "Americans!!"

Quoted from Shotgun's 'Civil War Homepage'.

[magnus]

I can get down with that.
happy Memorial Day.

[ZooperS]

Originally posted by magnus ver magnusson
I can get down with that.
happy Memorial Day.

And Back Atcha!. Remember the reason for Memorial Day. And in Memory of Larry White, class of 65 along with me. KIA Nam Nov 68. he'd probably wake up and kick my ass if he knew I was living with his sister.

Im memory of Larry White ......

http://208.165.116.80/cgi-bin/details.cgi?IDNO=O5425082

[magnus]

that probably would have been my father. He enlisted to get two months extra time, tried to stay out because of school, family, finally went to code school, learned how to drive a bus, learned everything the army could teach and then started teaching it. Didn't keep him from having to hang out of a helicopter or watch shells from the battleships fly slow over his head at night, though. Didn't keep him from getting drunk when they messed up his pay, which made him miss his chopper that night, the one that got shot down and everyone died. That one still gets me when I think about it, know it's gotta fuck him up good and hard.
Doesn't keep him from looking at the picture of their ball team that rests on his dresser, every day. Funny thing is he actually found a friend of his from the war, in Mooresville.

[Puttingood]

Got this in E-Mail




I am a member of a group that reenacts the Civil War, serving in the artillery. As a mounted unit, we have several horses, and they always get a lot of attention from the public.
On Memorial Day, a self-appointed animal-rights-type came over to our "Master of Horse" and started proclaiming: "Listen here! I was raised around horses, I know horses, and you are mistreating that one there! That horse is obviously pregnant, and should not be forced to pull loads."
About that time, the horse (a gelded male) elected to urinate.
One of the guys in the unit, who had heard the woman's tirade, called out, "My god! It's water broke, and there's a leg coming out!"

[twentybelow0]

I knew I missed a holiday somewhere.

[VA49er]

I knew I missed a holiday somewhere.

Damn missed it too. Should have taken the day off. January 14 is Lee-Jackson day around here. Think I'll take that day off too next year.