Panthers hire Dan Henning [Archive]

Old Coot

02-07-02, 06:11 PM

:D :D :D

Looks llike the Winkster will get some help this year aftefr all !

A lot of reasons could account his Hennings losing records as a coach. rong man, wrong place, lack of "star" players and owner attitude, poor OC & DC (like Panthers)

I am a lot happier to see Henning selected than Pope. At least THIS guy has a trrack record. Won't take long for us to see what he really can do. I'll bet we see MORE running (remember John Riggins ??)

An Old Coot says come on Paanthers, LET"S ROLL !!!

BigMark

02-07-02, 06:38 PM

This hire makes me feel good too. ESPN says he'll be OC and QB coach. Does that just leave the RB Coach spot to fill?

magnus

02-08-02, 03:37 AM

Nope. The RBs coach is Skipper, former Giant RB coach and XFL HC.
I assume Breaux stays too, since he worked with Henning with the Skins, and was held in tremendously high regard by Gibbs.

It then, I guess, comes down to third-tier assistants...whether to keep Reynolds as defensive assistant, and what to pick up as an OA.

BearBryant

02-08-02, 08:49 AM

Is Williamson going to stay on as WR coach? We need to keep some Alabama blood on the team! :D

LarryD

02-08-02, 09:35 AM

Originally posted by BearBryant
Is Williamson going to stay on as WR coach? We need to keep some Alabama blood on the team! :D

yeah, they moved him back where he probably belongs.

02-08-02, 10:17 AM

Whats up dogs! :D Props on the board LarryD!

I have read almost nothing out there about Henning...

What type of offense does he run? Does he emphasize the running game? Great to see a guy with a lot of experience, and I must agree that the coaching staff assembled so far is VERY solid. We could have done a lot worse!

BigMark

02-08-02, 11:37 AM

I must say, I'm pumped. I don't have quite the same excitement as I had when we signed Siefert or if we would have signed Spurrier, but I think this is overall a safer and smarter move. I feel like we've got a quality work-horse staff, that will hopefully install that mentality on out players. Bring on the draft. Bring on free-agency. Bring on 8 and 8 and a solid foundation!

02-08-02, 02:14 PM

Henning is one of the best OCs in the game. He coached the Redskins to two superbowl wins under Joe Gibbs. While the guys HC numbers are not that good, he rocks as an OC! He got Testaverde to the pro bowl. The Jets went 9-7 in 2000, this was Hennings last coaching job. He took last year off. A 9-7 season got the Bucs to the play-offs this year! Henning coached Joe Theismann, Bob Griese, Doug Williams and Vinny Testaverde. Sounds pretty good to me. :)

Here's a link to an article by Steve Reed (Gaston Gazette):

http://www.gastongazette.com/Portal/Sports/Panthers/Panthers30.htm

Jefale

02-08-02, 02:43 PM

"I feel like we've got a quality work-horse staff, "

I LIKE this statement and think its ON THE MONEY bravo Big Mark.
The coaches that we have in place are "or seem to be" just that and we need strong work ethics much more than we need name appeal right now. I think the group that is coming in brings passion for the game of football and for the rebuilding of the panthers. Put that together in a mixing bowl and what you have is a recipe for long term success.

LarryD

02-08-02, 02:57 PM

i think that this staff will be much more hands-on. players will play. dogs will sit.

Old Coot

02-08-02, 04:30 PM

And Fox says: Those who don't will NOT be here !!

A-MEN

magnus

02-08-02, 06:15 PM

He's not Weis, but he's the right mold of coach. He's also not going to pick up and leave in a year. A QB technician who probably wouldn't have come on as a QB coach, hence the dual title. With two former coordinators on board and two brilliant X's and O's guys in Boudreau and Breaux, we should have the right mix to scheme an intelligent ground game.

At first I was mad we didn't get a good QBs coach until I delved more into DH's actual background. Now all I hope is that RW, Skipper, and others get involved with the gameplanning.

Now all we need is a power back, two blocking roleplayers, and a right tackle.

mramailman

02-10-02, 09:07 AM

Originally posted by magnus ver magnusson

Now all we need is a power back, two blocking roleplayers, and a right tackle.

I think Huntley can fill the bill next year until we can draft one with Boudrea still onboard maybe Jordan will come through at G and hopefully we can get a blocking FB to fill another void.

RT? Unless he commands a starters salary I like Todd Weiner from Seattle, from what I've seen and read about this guy he's better than Terry and some folks seem to think he could be moved to LT with a little more grooming.

T_Schroll

02-10-02, 12:12 PM

Henning will open up the passing game a little more than the three yard dink and dunk shit we did last year. If I recall correctly, most of his short passing was of the 7-10 yard variety rather than the 2-3 yard nonsense from this past year. He's not afraid to throw the deep ball occasionaly either:D . We'll be more smashmouth than anything when it comes to the new O.

The personel we have now may not be an exact fit for this scheme so I look for some changes maybe at TE (Walls stays I hope, but the backups may be in trouble), RT, maybe both guards(depends on KD's rehab), and definately at FB. Huntley may find some competition at RB through the draft or a low cost FA RB.

SandMan

02-10-02, 01:47 PM

It should be a better year...

Chief Tony

12-16-03, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by LarryD
good hire -- someone with experience. that's what this team needs. Is there anyone out there who still believes this? At the time,it seemed like a good idea.

y2b

12-16-03, 11:02 AM

Originally posted by magnus

Now all we need is a power back, two blocking roleplayers, and a right tackle.

magnus

12-16-03, 11:30 AM

>>Henning will open up the passing game a little more than the three yard dink and dunk shit we did last year.

:D :D :D :D nice. Glad I didn't say that. :D

>>At first I was mad we didn't get a good QBs coach until I delved more into DH's actual background. Now all I hope is that RW, Skipper, and others get involved with the gameplanning.

Turns out I'm still mad at the QBs coach thing. And RW, Skipper, and anyone else possible? If they have any input into gameplanning I'd be surprised.

y2b

12-16-03, 11:42 AM

I really starting to lean towards it's Fox's game plan the first 3 Q's. and the 4th belongs to Henning

Wp28

12-16-03, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by y2b
I really starting to lean towards it's Fox's game plan the first 3 Q's. and the 4th belongs to Henning

Henning is doing the job he's been instructed to do..

magnus

12-16-03, 11:56 AM

Well, if so, that's gonna be John's downfall.

magnus

12-16-03, 11:57 AM

Originally posted by Wp28

Henning is doing the job he's been instructed to do..

do you 'know' whether he's being asked to run a very limited playbook? do you know that he's being asked to run one play twice, possibly three times in a row?

Wp28

12-16-03, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by magnus

do you 'know' whether he's being asked to run a very limited playbook? do you know that he's being asked to run one play twice, possibly three times in a row?

Yes, The information I have is that Fox is in control the tempo of the offense (for lack of a better term) I don't think that Fox is actually calling the play's but Henning is running the system that Fox wants run.

meatpile

12-16-03, 12:11 PM

Originally posted by Wp28

Yes, The information I have is that Fox is in control the tempo of the offense (for lack of a better term) I don't think that Fox is actually calling the play's but Henning is running the system that Fox wants run.

Ugh.

Wp28

12-16-03, 12:15 PM

I'm no Henning fan myself and agree that if changes aren't made both in staffing and philosophy that it will be Fox's downfall, and I fully expect that at this point. Thats why I'm guardedly optimistic at Pantherfanz account of his Heisman run-in. I just can't kill Henning for everything based on the conversations I've had with people outside the organization.

magnus

12-16-03, 12:15 PM

Still, if it's philosophy that's working and plays that aren't, then Henning's misreacting to what Fox wants. He's calling stupid rather than the wanted conservative and that makes the pair a bad fit.

Nonetheless, that's some offensive meddling way past the level Seifert had ever touched. Of course, Seifert was actually a positive force for the offense in 99-00. It was 01 when the headset came off, which is when he was given "credit" for meddling.

I'm glad I don't have connections to the core workings of this staff anymore, for the most part, because I would have pissed someone off by now.

And it's not so much the idea that it's Dan Henning. I'm disappointed by most things with the offense, and even last year when others were saying that it was Fox, that I noted that if it's Fox then that's a problem as well. A worse one, because fixing it means pushing a head coach to change or relieving that head coach from his responsibilities in that manner.

Only once can I think of that happening, which was Dick Vermiel.

y2b

12-16-03, 12:47 PM

Just goes to show you how fortunate Dungy was to get an Indy team with an Offensive staff in place with Manning & Co. Same can be said about Gruden.

hasbeen99

12-16-03, 05:42 PM

Originally posted by magnus
Nonetheless, that's some offensive meddling way past the level Seifert had ever touched. ...And it's not so much the idea that it's Dan Henning. I'm disappointed by most things with the offense, and even last year when others were saying that it was Fox, that I noted that if it's Fox then that's a problem as well. A worse one, because fixing it means pushing a head coach to change or relieving that head coach from his responsibilities in that manner.

Agreed. I really hope Pitch is wrong and it's Henning, not Fox. If Fox is truly the culprit behind this assinine playcalling, it won't matter who we bring in for an OC -- our offense will suck as long as Fox is HC, or until he changes his mind.

meatpile

12-16-03, 05:43 PM

This thread is pissing me off, because I keep thinking it says 'Panthers fire Dan Henning' and it gets me all hot and bothered.

McFly41

12-16-03, 07:20 PM

If the play calling is influenced by Fox then he's probably had enough production out of it to prove his point this year.
Look at all the losses that were with in a score last year compared to all the wins this year. It's improvement, if nothing else.
Not saying that I like it, but it is defensable. Fox is a D-minded coach, unless he gets someone in here to run the O that will stand up and argue a point a little it's going to be little more than watered down vanilla.
If it's Henning, I suspect we'll find out soon enough. However, thinking back, Hennings offenses of old were always terribly basic and execution based. One could get by on execution alone in the past, but Henning might be better served designing HS game plans now.