congrats to the terps!!

[slydevl]

Spanked that azz!! Kinda glad. Of course I would never root for Duke to lose but this is about the time where a solid loss can be beneficial and believe me this was a good one. They handed us our ass like we did to them in the first one. /i only hope we learn from this and move forward. Onward and upward!

[LarryD]

what a great series. definately the class of the acc when they mix it up.

fsu vs. miami in football is the same way. fun to watch for the fan.

[SandMan]

Originally posted by LarryD
what a great series. definately the class of the acc when they mix it up.

fsu vs. miami in football is the same way. fun to watch for the fan.

Larry D, New to the ACC? I am hoping that in the context of your first line that you are speaking exclusively of this year only. I don't think for one minute if you talk class and ACC basketball that you would find many people that would say Maryland and Duke are the class of the ACC... Carolina sucks this year but this is the only year since before you were born that they will not go to the NCAA, win 20 games etc... nah, I think when people think of classs of the ACC they think Carolina/Duke.

Also, the heels own FSU now in football... :D

EDIT: For a True Blue Heel Fan, the next best thing to them winning is Duke Losing - Yesterday was a good day...

[LarryD]

when those living in the past and upon reputation think of the class of the acc, they think unc-duke. however, the league's two best teams are clearly maryland and duke -- and have been for a few years.

the tar heels dynasty has crumbled. fear the turtle.

the acc final sunday between duke and maryland should be an absolute classic and i'm glad it will have a national audience. it may determine the no. 1 overall seed in the ncaa.

right now it's looking like:

midwest: kansas
south: maryland
east: duke
west: oklahoma/cincy

as far as football goes, fsu is going to hand unc it's tail again -- just like every other year. fsu is back to full strength in 2002.

[gutter]

NAH!!!!! You're living in the past LarryD. FSU's dynasty is over. I'm predicting a Dook over FSU role reversal next year just like in basketball. You heard it here first.

[SandMan]

I would not say those living in the past... I would say those living in reality. Everyone knows that sustained class will only come from Carolina and Duke.

I must confess, with the loss of our defensive cor. and about 7-8 defensive starters, a few of which will probably be 1st round picks in the NFL, I am a bit doubtful that the heels will repeat against FSU in 2002.

[wolverine]

Was glad to see the terps go up in some dookie. I dont see it as much of an upset as I do two good teams beating up on each other. Congrats Maryland.;)

[wossa]

LarryD - says "just like every other year"

OKAY. I'll go for that. Swapping victories with the slimiholes sounds cool too me.

Yes - Yesterday was a great day to be a Tar Heel fan. Maryland toyed with them.

Blake's steal of Williams at half time was the play of the year in the ACC. That was too much fun to watch.

dook/Maryland the last few years has been fun to watch, and certainly the classic matchup - But as I recall...

that awesome Maryland team from last year - got swept BAD by those washed up Tar Heels. And until Williams proves he can do it again - with a another group of players then he and the Terps are just another two year wonder.

One bad year does not = crumbled dynasty. The Heels will ahve their work cut out for them next year with a young team but I will venture to say that the Heels will make the final four again before Maryland does ( this year not withstanding)

Interesting Stat - Yesterday was one of the largest margins of defeat by a number one dook team.

Only ONE other school has ever punked them worse when they were number one - Now I wonder who that could be? HMMMMM?
:confused:

[SandMan]

Originally posted by Wossamotta U

Interesting Stat - Yesterday was one of the largest margins of defeat by a number one dook team.

Only ONE other school has ever punked them worse when they were number one - Now I wonder who that could be? HMMMMM?
:confused:


:D :cool: ;)

[LarryD]

Originally posted by SandMan
I must confess, with the loss of our defensive cor. and about 7-8 defensive starters, a few of which will probably be 1st round picks in the NFL, I am a bit doubtful that the heels will repeat against FSU in 2002.


go ahead and keep everyone from last year's team. hell, even replay it right there in that high-school stadium.

fsu spanks unc sideways this fall.

so, everyone thinks that this season is just a one-year thing and unc will beat maryland, duke, wake, nc state and virginia next year?

you're right wossa, that steal was the play of the year so far.

[WYDD]

if j will didn't have to pick his damn nose at that exact moment, that play doesn't happen. Larry, i'm with you, i don't think unc is gonna have that quick turnaround. I'm hoping that they keep losing and doh doesn't eat anymore. Then,when he finally turns into a real skeleton, they bring in phil ford so the kids can go drink after practice.

[SandMan]

Originally posted by LarryD


so, everyone thinks that this season is just a one-year thing and unc will beat maryland, duke, wake, nc state and virginia next year?


Just having fun with ya Larry - FSU was Carolina's bitch last year and I'd love to play them again with the same team, then they could be our bitch every year.

As far as beating all those teams next year... I don't want to imply that because its not often any ACC school has gone through and beat all the top ACC teams every year.


I do think the heels will get back to their 20 plus wins and NCAA birth along with a top 3 ACC finish... (The stuff you FSU football fans are use to):D

Duke and Maryland are the class of the nation, not just the ACC--it was that way last year too by the end of the year.

[blueblood1]

Kansas aint to shabby either! Every team in the ACC takes big personel losses next year. UNC's losses will be a positive (lang and capel). I think the ACC will be up for grabs next year too. Let's look at the potential losses for the top teams right quick: Duke - JW, CB, and possibly MD ( he's ready kids) and I think he may go pro. Dook's freshmen incoming class is talented but Shelden Williams and Sean Dockery may never make it to campus.

Maryland - LB, JD, and I believe CW will turn pro early too. Their recruiting class is marginal.

Wake Forest - will be rebuilding. I think they will lose 5 of their top 7.

NC State - Will miss Miller and Grundy more than they think. The starting backcourt will be very young for the wulfies.

Virginia - will be loaded.

Clemson - will be much improved.

G tech - Will miss Akins!

FSU - will be FSU!

UNC - will be much improved with their incoming class in conjunction with Jawad, Manuel, and Scott being a year better. I think BMO will contribute some too. I'm still not sold on Adam Boone but i think he is a heady player that can contribute by carring the water cooler next year.

Anyone who watches college hoops knows that the ranking of Maryland's recruiting classes means jackshit. Where was Juan Dixon ranked coming out of HS? Or Joe Smith? Or Lonny Baxter? Yeah that's what I thought. Gary Williams has the same players every year, just with different names, and his teams will ALWAYS be good. They won't be as good as they were last year or this year but they will be a lot better than Carolina. I never get sick of hearing Blueblood use the rankings of a team's recruiting class as a better measure than who the returning players are--for determining a team's worth.

Originally posted by Wossamotta U
LarryD - says "just like every other year"

"OKAY. I'll go for that. Swapping victories with the slimiholes sounds cool too me."

I think he meant that FSU would go back to whooping UNC, as before.

"Blake's steal of Williams at half time was the play of the year in the ACC. That was too much fun to watch."

Very good play, and a great game by Maryland. Enjoy it while it lasts, because Duke will be back when it matters most--like postseason play.

"dook/Maryland the last few years has been fun to watch, and certainly the classic matchup - But as I recall...

that awesome Maryland team from last year - got swept BAD by those washed up Tar Heels. "

They also lost to FSU and a gazillion other teams during that February stretch brought on by Duke's comeback. When we talk about how good Md. was last year, we mean that they were playing better than anyone going into the NCAA's and nearly won the whole thing.

"One bad year does not = crumbled dynasty. "

No, but what about 3 or 4 bad years? Not that UNC was a dynasty in the first place....

"Only ONE other school has ever punked them worse when they were number one - Now I wonder who that could be? HMMMMM?"

Elton Brand didn't play. And what did the Tar Heels gain from that game? Did they win the national title because of it?--the way the fans acted, you would've thought so.

[blueblood1]

JCB, sometimes I wonder what in the hell is ur ranting about anyway? I didn't attack dook or you, yet, you lay into me at every opportunity. And believe it or not but finishing top 3 in the ACC for 37 years is damned impressive. Just because DOOK can't lay claim to this you bash the HEEL fans and their tradition. I know DOOK got smacked yesterday but BACK OFF! DOOK's streak of winning the ACC had to end sometime! The only reason I can think that you would be upset about this thread is realizing that the prospect of losing JW, CB, and possibly MD has gotten you unraveled. Hey, GET A GRIP and welcome to the life of HEEL fans everywhere. Dook will still be good next year!

[BigMark]

whoops

Two things:

First, I do not think that the Heels will be, "...back to their 20 plus wins and NCAA birth along with a top 3 ACC finish... " next year... They MAY get an NCAA bid, but I think they might have a hard time with 20 wins and the third place finish...

Second, I agree that State will miss Grundy and Miller next year. Miller is a coach on the floor, and Grundy is having a phenomenal year. However, I do not agree that, "The starting backcourt will be very young for the wulfies..." They may not be as good as this year, but the backcourt candidates will be Crawford - Point - Senior, Sherrill - 2 - Junior, and Hodge - 2 - Sophomore. They will pick up another point guard, but with the these other three guys for support, all of the pressure will not be on him.

Blue, what are you talking about? I attack you b/c you say the same stupid stuff every post--stuff that is completely unwarranted. you're always basing stuff on recruiting, recruiting, recruiting, as if its all that matters in college bball. You're always saying everyone's going to leave school as if it's a set-in-stone fact. It doesn't make me mad, but sometimes I have to scratch my head in amazement. And even if they all leave--it's happened to us before, and I think we're more than ready for it to happen again--oh wait, you're just SO SURE that none of Duke's recruits will make it to school, and again, why?

[blueblood1]

JCB, believe it or not I don't just spout off. SEAN DOCKERY has not qualified. SHELDEN WILLIAMS has been kicked off of his high school BBALL team, pemanently. I think there are some issues with both players and COACH K may have to let both out of their commitments. I also think that WILLIAMS may skip to the pros anyway. What I think doesn't matter. I just try to relay information that I have read on other sites. FYI, recruiting is the lifeline of any program. Can these gurus miss on players? ABSOLUTELY! THere are hundreds of examples of this. You never know. It's all speculation. BUT, at the same time, you have to love how folks on this board like to SPECULATE about the demise of UNC hoops, and how there is no way in HELL they will be back in contention next year. THEY MAY NOT BE! But this will be a vastly different conference next year, IMO! A wide open one at that!

I don't doubt the Heels will be back, and yes that is in large part due to their RECRUITING. But keep in mind that while everyone recruits, there are a lot of coaches that win without getting blue-chip recruits, and Gary Williams is one of them.

Virginia will suffer from losses but they have a quartet of freshmen on this year's team that is showing a lot of promise as a whole, and they will be very tough next year. NCSU will be as well b/c Hodge, Sherrill, Powell, and Evtimov are promising youngsters. Clemson is a good team with a bad coach; who knows whether or not that will change, but they have played tough with just about everyone in the ACC without beating anyone. Duke is Duke; they did not rebuild, they reload. Wake will suffer some losses but they've really got something with Skip Prosser. Maryland's immediate future depends on whether or not Chris Wilcox stays in school and how they replace Dixon's perimeter defense. For many teams, the race is on to see whose youngsters can develop the quickest, and all the parity just makes the gap b/t Duke and the rest of the league that much wider (assuming Wilcox leaves and Md. must adjust to the losses of him, Dixon, and Baxter for a large part of next season).

[slydevl]

I am pretty sure Williams has been reinstated to the team after the girl dropped the charges.

[blueblood1]

As of last week he was still off the team, sly! The coach is the one that walked in on the thing. He may know more than everybody else.

[slydevl]

http://www.wilmingtonstar.com/sports/stories/8939sportsstorypage.html

"Duke recruit Shelden Williams (No. 5 in the country) was one of the players named in the complaint, and the 6-foot-8 Williams and two of his teammates were immediately suspended for the remainder of the season.

The alleged victim then announced on Jan. 30 that, although she still claimed to have been raped, she would not press charges. The case, however, has not been closed as the Columbus police continue to investigate the woman's claims, according to The News & Observer of Raleigh. Williams was reinstated to his team after a 10-day suspension.

Even if Williams is never charged, he still must face Duke's board of admissions before his signed letter of intent is officially accepted. And if the woman never recants her claims, despite no legal trouble, it could hang over the talented forward in a way that Duke might see as too risky to admit him."