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Fuck you Ryland.
The Ryland Homes in Richmond suck. Hope they're better in your neck of the woods.
I was happy as could be with the entire process until 10 minutes ago.
Means that there is something they still don't have done. Probably spackling/painting shit as we speak.
Means that there is something they still don't have done. Probably spackling/painting shit as we speak.
or something didn't pass inspection.
or something didn't pass inspection.
Plumbing. Apparently the inspector went apeshit over something. The whole row is behind. But we are at the end of the row so we are WAY behind. The walls just went up yesterday.
Plumbing. Apparently the inspector went apeshit over something. The whole row is behind. But we are at the end of the row so we are WAY behind. The walls just went up yesterday.
If plumbing didn't pass then that means you didn't get your CO (Certificate of Occupancy), which means you will be waiting for two inspectors, unless Ryland was smart enough to get a conditional CO, which I highly doubt. That's what happens when you put a 90-120 day (depending on which cheap ass builder your using) time frame on building a house. Sad part is you are financing for 30 years and the house will need major work in 5. The materials and workmanship SUCK now a days.
Just my two cents...
two-six
07-21-04, 04:03 PM
builders like ryland, beezer, and centex and the likes are the anti-christ. i coulda told ya that.
edit to read....riddell explained this much more in-depth while i was typing this original message.
my moving truck was literally driving around the block waiting for the occupancy permit....nothing like waiting til the last minute.
Galloway fucked me on the CO, too. I made them put me up in the Hilton and pay for my family's meals for 2 days.
Production homes nowadays are like production cars nowadays. There's no quality craftsmanship or true beauty in them, but engineering has made it so it's not that important and you end up with as good or better product anyway. I had a 100 year old house that had all kinds of materials and craftsmanship in it that you couldn't afford nowadays, but the fucker still wasn't square anywhere. You want house for the money and low maintenance, a production builder is the way to go. You could pay 25-50% more and get something better from a custom builder, but it's not going to be 25-50% better or last 25-50% longer. My father bought a 1960 Dodge in 1960, and it was pretty and built with loving hands, but the motor blew a year into it and he was out of luck because the engineering wasn't as evolved and warrantees weren't as good then. You're going to get 100k out of a crappy, poorly constructed new car nowadays.
If plumbing didn't pass then that means you didn't get your CO (Certificate of Occupancy), which means you will be waiting for two inspectors, unless Ryland was smart enough to get a conditional CO, which I highly doubt. That's what happens when you put a 90-120 day (depending on which cheap ass builder your using) time frame on building a house. Sad part is you are financing for 30 years and the house will need major work in 5. The materials and workmanship SUCK now a days.
Just my two cents...
We are hoping to be gone in 5-7 years. I figure I'm trying to outrun the clock on shitty workmanship from the get go. And that's a bit of a shame really.
I'm not sure exactly what the problem was/is Boo. I gotta call my guy back. All I got was the barest of details about needing a new date. I had to start making calls and try to find some tranquilizers for my wife.
The materials and workmanship SUCK now a days.
Just my two cents...
:xyzthumbs
We are hoping to be gone in 5-7 years. I figure I'm trying to outrun the clock on shitty workmanship from the get go. And that's a bit of a shame really.
I'm not sure exactly what the problem was/is Boo. I gotta call my guy back. All I got was the barest of details about needing a new date. I had to start making calls and try to find some tranquilizers for my wife.
And besides you have a year warranty if anything major goes wrong.
two-six
07-21-04, 04:19 PM
Galloway fucked me on the CO, too. I made them put me up in the Hilton and pay for my family's meals for 2 days.
Production homes nowadays are like production cars nowadays. There's no quality craftsmanship or true beauty in them, but engineering has made it so it's not that important and you end up with as good or better product anyway. I had a 100 year old house that had all kinds of materials and craftsmanship in it that you couldn't afford nowadays, but the fucker still wasn't square anywhere. You want house for the money and low maintenance, a production builder is the way to go. You could pay 25-50% more and get something better from a custom builder, but it's not going to be 25-50% better or last 25-50% longer. My father bought a 1960 Dodge in 1960, and it was pretty and built with loving hands, but the motor blew a year into it and he was out of luck because the engineering wasn't as evolved and warrantees weren't as good then. You're going to get 100k out of a crappy, poorly constructed new car nowadays.
not true at all really. the builders we work for all use better materials. they don't cheap out and cut corners. everything is done right, unlike the big production companies. of course, they could still use shitty sub-contractors and it would suck, but they are more about quality than saving a dollar, and it shows in the finished product.
oh, btw, your 100 yr old house was not square because nothing was square back then.
:xyzthumbs
workmanship and materials has sucked since 1981. That's about the time they figured they could put plastic everything in and still take what the market would bear. The crowning glory was when a salesman tried to tell me engineering board construction was as sound as CBS.
not true at all really. the builders we work for all use better materials. they don't cheap out and cut corners. everything is done right, unlike the big production companies. of course, they could still use shitty sub-contractors and it would suck, but they are more about quality than saving a dollar, and it shows in the finished product.
oh, btw, your 100 yr old house was not square because nothing was square back then.
I'm not disputing the quality differences in materials. I'm disputing their true value as compared to price difference. Like you said, they all use the same bunch of Mexicans as subcontractors, and I don't think you're literally going to get out of the house in function and durability the extra you pay for it. Plus, smaller custom builders don't have the resources to be held as financially accountable as big companies if something goes really wrong.
I'm not disputing the quality differences in materials. I'm disputing their true value as compared to price difference. Like you said, they all use the same bunch of Mexicans as subcontractors, and I don't think you're literally going to get out of the house in function and durability the extra you pay for it. Plus, smaller custom builders don't have the resources to be held as financially accountable as big companies if something goes really wrong.
Materials SUCK....they have VALUE engineered everything and created SHIT....I would prefer to have a 4 inch thick girder truss made of a tree trunk than laminated sheets of the cheapest unusable plyboard...or the sorry ass treated material that is the worst of the worst lumber made to conform using chemicals that break down in the sun and return the shitty lumber to shitty lumber....what about the cardboard they use as sheathing, because code allows it or the fact that walls use to be plastered and 1xs where used to strengthen the walls, now we use gypsum that can be punched through by a toddler....or the cheap as HVAC condensor units that don't protect the coils from corrosion or stand up to 5 years service? Windows may be more efficient but they are cheap and leak due to improper installation....there are rackets monopolizing the market like Tyvek and gypsum floors where only a few manufacturers are allowed in each market and rape the builder....dude the building market is as corrupt as any market there is.....the houses are cheap the subs are idiots and the craftmanship is GONE!
Sorry but true.
Materials SUCK....they have VALUE engineered everything and created SHIT....I would prefer to have a 4 inch thick girder truss made of a tree trunk than laminated sheets of the cheapest unusable plyboard...or the sorry ass treated material that is the worst of the worst lumber made to conform using chemicals that break down in the sun and return the shitty lumber to shitty lumber....what about the cardboard they use as sheathing, because code allows it or the fact that walls use to be plastered and 1xs where used to strengthen the walls, now we use gypsum that can be punched through by a toddler....or the cheap as HVAC condensor units that don't protect the coils from corrosion or stand up to 5 years service? Windows may be more efficient but they are cheap and leak due to improper installation....there are rackets monopolizing the market like Tyvek and gypsum floors where only a few manufacturers are allowed in each market and rape the builder....dude the building market is as corrupt as any market there is.....the houses are cheap the subs are idiots and the craftmanship is GONE!
Sorry but true.
Great. I might as well just burn it to the ground right now.
Great. I might as well just burn it to the ground right now.
I've got a rental home that I bought 5 years ago from Cherry/Craft....It is pure SHIT for $130,000....the damn house has been falling apart since the day it was built.....the doors don't work properly and never have due to climate changes (that's a word you will learn that describes why your house has cracks, nail pops, doors not shutting, air not cooling, tile cracking, countertops separating, caulk cracking, ect.)....the siding is all but falling off and covered mildew....the foundation is cracked everywhere.....lights don't work....outlets simply stopped working...god I could go on....Just bought a $300,000 house last year and the same shit is happening....it doesn't matter how much you spend....the shit is all thrown together....
Custom is good, but the problem really is the materials and the labor....both are inferior. We may be more efficient, but we are not better built in any way....when speaking of homes that is.
Commercial buildings are another story....the codes are much more strict and they materials are highly advanced....homes have taken a back seat...due to home depot and cheap labor.
chipshot
07-21-04, 05:11 PM
why are inspectors such cunts about the stupid shit and let the big stuff slide?
Materials SUCK....they have VALUE engineered everything and created SHIT....I would prefer to have a 4 inch thick girder truss made of a tree trunk than laminated sheets of the cheapest unusable plyboard...or the sorry ass treated material that is the worst of the worst lumber made to conform using chemicals that break down in the sun and return the shitty lumber to shitty lumber....what about the cardboard they use as sheathing, because code allows it or the fact that walls use to be plastered and 1xs where used to strengthen the walls, now we use gypsum that can be punched through by a toddler....or the cheap as HVAC condensor units that don't protect the coils from corrosion or stand up to 5 years service? Windows may be more efficient but they are cheap and leak due to improper installation....there are rackets monopolizing the market like Tyvek and gypsum floors where only a few manufacturers are allowed in each market and rape the builder....dude the building market is as corrupt as any market there is.....the houses are cheap the subs are idiots and the craftmanship is GONE!
Sorry but true.
Like I said, I understand the quality differences in materials, but is it worth the difference in money or risk of going with a smaller custom builder? Engineering has replaced craftsmanship, and while that has a downside, it also has an upside, just like in your example of the windows. What about insulation nowadays? No comparison. I know plaster walls require craftsmanship, but for the price difference, what are you getting? You're getting a wall that's going to develop cracks as the new construction settles. Then what? Bring the craftsman back to rape you for more money, versus slapping up a nice, smooth piece of drywall. I live in a new, 3200 square foot white, plastic box made by illegal immigrants. If I wanted a truly beautiful, well-crafted version of my house, I'd have to pay double, or I could have had a beautiful, well-crafted 1200 square foot house for the same money, and there's no way I'm going to believe that with all of the tradeoffs and ambiguities, my extra money is going to equate to that much longer a life for the house. Maybe I'll get nickle and dimed here and there with the fallout from crappier materials, but not nearly enough to make up for the price difference.
What do you do when Ryland fucks up your house? You bitch at them and follow it up the company chain until you get some form of satisfaction. They're not going anywhere. They have a commercial presence to uphold. What happens when Joe Blow the Craftsman makes a big mistake and fucks up your house to the point where he not only loses his profits, but might have to pay out of pocket to make it right? He goes out of business and opens up under a different name, and you're fucked.
What do you do when Ryland fucks up your house? You bitch at them and follow it up the company chain until you get some form of satisfaction. They're not going anywhere. They have a commercial presence to uphold. What happens when Joe Blow the Craftsman makes a big mistake and fucks up your house to the point where he not only loses his profits, but might have to pay out of pocket to make it right? He goes out of business and opens up under a different name, and you're fucked.
That's freaky. My boss just came in and said pretty much the same thing. And you can be sure the wife will chase the Ryland people to hell and back if she ain't happy.
builder
07-21-04, 06:14 PM
I bet it was the soundboard insulation. They probably put too much up and the inspector wanted less. So they'll use half of yours and the day your neighbor moves in, you'll hear her fart in the bathroom opposite the wall where she's hearing you fart.
I bought a condo that was built in 1963 on the outside and remodelled from scratch on the inside. The brick walls are nice outside. The windows leak, the doors let all sorts of critters in, the drywall screws are popping everywhere, the floors creak, the hvac has already been replaced, the roof has leaked TWICE, light switches work - mostly, the water pressure is for shit and I don't want to turn it up too high for fear that the rubber pipes will explode in the night soaking me and my neighbors, the patio puddles, the front door is made of cardboard with a thin piece of metal on the front, the back doors are already warped from the heat/cold, one room is freezing, the next one feels like standing at the gates of hell, the toilets take two flushes to properly clean themselves even after a piss, the hardwoods aren't that hard and I'm starting to wonder if they're even wood, the carpet has lumps in it, the walls are paperthin....I could go on and on...but if I can just make the realtor's pay out of this....I'll consider myself blessed. :banana:
Yet another success story recited here to warm my heart.
builder
07-21-04, 06:18 PM
Yet another success story recited here to warm my heart.
I'm massaging the cockles of my own heart as we speak.
builder
07-21-04, 06:26 PM
But isn't it pretty?
I'm massaging the cockles of my own heart as we speak.
Just keep away from my cockles and everything will be fine.
builder
07-21-04, 06:33 PM
Just keep away from my cockles and everything will be fine.
There's an old saying....You can have my heart, if you can reach it. :xyzthumbs
vpkozel
07-21-04, 07:23 PM
I had to start making calls and try to find some tranquilizers for my wife.
You know, hurricane season is coming up.....
two-six
07-21-04, 11:54 PM
i'm proud to say that other than the drywall guys, the crews that work behind us are all good. the builders use the best materials, don't cut corners, don't allow subs to cut corners, and end up with a much superior house when finished. i would put theirs up against anyone around.
in the case of the contractors we do business for, YES, it is worth spending the extra money to know it is done right.
builder
07-22-04, 12:10 AM
You know, hurricane season is coming up.....
I wanna put a twenty on him snapping before the tree next to his house falls on it.
two-six
07-22-04, 12:36 AM
and we lay the brick and block. we do the foundation and i said everybody behind us are top-notch but the drywall guys. do you just not listen sometimes.
they start with the best foundation you can get, and nobody fucks it up, or its their ass and they fix it and don't get too many chances to fuck up again.
Superfluous_Nut
07-22-04, 03:52 AM
yikes. well, i guess this is why i like older houses. anything from the 60's and later just doesn't do it for me, both in terms of style and substance. any new house you move into is going to need to be "debugged". it's going to have issues that will only become apparent with use.
of course, old houses where we're looking to move cost a bit of money. for that matter, the new ones do as well. sigh... there goes the nest egg.
2nd week of August is the new timeframe. We'll see.
2nd week of August is the new timeframe. We'll see.
How's the Mrs. doing?
meatpile
07-22-04, 04:15 PM
Builder, that's the gayest house I've ever seen.
I'm with sadic - and I live in a 1927 home with plaster, petrified wood for 2 X 4s, 9' ceilings and a slate roof.
The reason my house has value is the dirt it sits on. The reason my house will have value in 30 years is the dirt it sits on. Bricks and sticks depreciate, dirt has value and gains value.
If I'm smart, I'll bever give in to my urge to do an addition, because odds are, that addition will be old and needing another one by the time I sell the joint.
There's alot of more than a million dollar homes pooping up around me. Like, any home that's built cost more than a million. So, mine's not worth that, and I feel pretty good about that because my dirt is worth alot more than my structure - the million dollar guys have their money tied up in shit that's gonna get old.
And their custom homes are made of the same 2 X 4s and sheathing used on a 'crappy' non custom home. Trust me - these custom homes are still hitting the lowest bidder. The contractors are shoveling it in.
But it's typically nerver the 'house' that costs more money regarding older homes, it's the dirt.
I got me some real nice dirt.
I'll say it so czar won't have to.
LOCATION LOCATION LOCATION
How's the Mrs. doing?
Not too bad actually - thanks for asking. We were just pissed off yesterday. Then you realize that you'd rather have them finish the thing right as opposed to moving into a shit hole.
Builder, that's the gayest house I've ever seen.
I figure the metal poster bed is as gay as one can possibly get. That's for sure.
Southern_Yankee
07-22-04, 04:41 PM
It'll be 4 year this Sept. since we built/moved into our home. Maybe one nail pop, a minor, small verticle crack that I just filled in with paint, no cracks in the foundation or any of the concrete, a few creeks in certain parts of the floor (but that gives it character). The subs they had working on it were a bunch of fucking idiots with bafflers not opened, wireing criss crossed and a few other small stupid fucking mistakes...which were fixed within the first year. All and all I dont have too much to complain about...and for me that's saying something :xyzthumbs
Superfluous_Nut
07-22-04, 04:49 PM
I'm with sadic - and I live in a 1927 home
you live with sadic?
builder
07-22-04, 05:30 PM
I figure the metal poster bed is as gay as one can possibly get. That's for sure.
You told me before that you liked my bed.
builder
07-22-04, 05:32 PM
Builder, that's the gayest house I've ever seen.
There's alot of more than a million dollar homes pooping up around me. Like, any home that's built cost more than a million. So, mine's not worth that, and I feel pretty good about that because my dirt is worth alot more than my structure - the million dollar guys have their money tied up in shit that's gonna get old. .
Why thank you..... :woman:
And that my friends is the reason I am pitching myself at these new money homeowners. They've got more dollars than sense and they need a model to show all their friends what they're gonna be getting before they get it.
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