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builder
09-28-04, 05:12 PM
Where can I go in Charlotte to see the plans for a built building as they were permitted? Is that the Marshall Bldg? Is this even possible?
Where can I go in Charlotte to see the plans for a built building as they were permitted? Is that the Marshall Bldg? Is this even possible?may not be possible there Akta bin Bildar
builder
09-28-04, 05:25 PM
may not be possible there Akta bin Bildar
I want the plans to my condo. I want to see what they were permitted to build veruss what they built. I gotta see for myself that any lawsuit for noise is not really feasible.
chipshot
09-28-04, 05:38 PM
I want the plans to my condo. I want to see what they were permitted to build veruss what they built. I gotta see for myself that any lawsuit for noise is not really feasible.
noise from what?
BigVito
09-28-04, 05:43 PM
noise from what?Some questions just shouldn't be asked in a "Builder Thread."
builder
09-28-04, 07:57 PM
noise from what?
the neighbors mostly. I can hear talking and phones ringing. It's getting more annoying now that we're all comfortable. I heard my neighbor yesterday sitting on her toilet, talking on the phone. She was talking about what she had for dinner.
Not sure exactly what you're after but if they passed inspection for occupancy I don't know if you can make any case if they were built different than the permitted specs.
The house I bought when I moved back to Greensboro was sagging because it didn't have the proper supports, not even according to code but a lawyer said we couldn't do anything against the builder since they had the house inspected and passed when it was originally built.
I want the plans to my condo. I want to see what they were permitted to build veruss what they built. I gotta see for myself that any lawsuit for noise is not really feasible.
When was it built?
STC and ICC ratings are mainly for apartments, but depending on the condo, whether it is a stack unit or townhome most of the fire ratings do apply. Fire ratings don't necessarily mean sound rating where observed.
As far as the plan for old projects you could check with city planning over off 9th and tryon, but I doubt they save the plans only the plot.
chipshot
09-28-04, 09:50 PM
Weren't those places built as apartments a long time ago and converted to condos recently?
Weren't those places built as apartments a long time ago and converted to condos recently?
i think you've hit on something, chip....hmmm.
builder
09-28-04, 10:09 PM
Weren't those places built as apartments a long time ago and converted to condos recently?
Yes. But, I was told at the time of purchase that every effort was made to eliminate sound between units. I was told another time that there were two layers of drywall on each partition wall and special insulation designed to stop noise transmission. 5 other homeowners were told the same things. None of it is true. I have one layer of drywall, a stud, and another layer of drywall between my unit and the neighbors'. I have cut holes to check. And the insulation, it's chopped up newspapers. Thermal only. Basically, we were lied to and we're trying to get our ducks together to see if the guy will settle out of court.
As for the remodel situation, they told me they ripped out everything, framing, drywall, plumbing, etc and replaced it all new. They lied about that too. I think it's a case of misrepresentation versus code. There is no code that covers the type of project they claim they had permitted. These are condos in that I own the unit, but not the dirt beneath it as it would be in a townhouse. There is not even a 1-hour firewall between units.
. I have cut holes to check. .
i don't believe your aria is zoned for glory holes.
Yes. But, I was told at the time of purchase that every effort was made to eliminate sound between units. I was told another time that there were two layers of drywall on each partition wall and special insulation designed to stop noise transmission. 5 other homeowners were told the same things. None of it is true. I have one layer of drywall, a stud, and another layer of drywall between my unit and the neighbors'. I have cut holes to check. And the insulation, it's chopped up newspapers. Thermal only. Basically, we were lied to and we're trying to get our ducks together to see if the guy will settle out of court.
As for the remodel situation, they told me they ripped out everything, framing, drywall, plumbing, etc and replaced it all new. They lied about that too. I think it's a case of misrepresentation versus code. There is no code that covers the type of project they claim they had permitted. These are condos in that I own the unit, but not the dirt beneath it as it would be in a townhouse. There is not even a 1-hour firewall between units.
So it's basically like being in the next room?
builder
09-28-04, 10:14 PM
So it's basically like being in the next room?
It is like being in the next room. I can hear them on the phone. I can hear exactly what they are saying to each other. I can hear them flush the toilet. And the washing machine, sounds like it's coming through the floor.
builder
09-28-04, 10:14 PM
i don't believe your aria is zoned for glory holes.
My aria is just fine.
chipshot
09-28-04, 10:15 PM
I'm sure you know more about this than I do but if it is not in writing I don't see what proof you have.
According to two-six, there are no dishonest contractors.
It is like being in the next room. I can hear them on the phone. I can hear exactly what they are saying to each other. I can hear them flush the toilet. And the washing machine, sounds like it's coming through the floor.
I mean that's what's between rooms in houses. drywall/stud/drywall.
god, i feel sorry for what your neighbors have to hear...yuck
builder
09-28-04, 10:17 PM
I'm sure you know more about this than I do but if it is not in writing I don't see what proof you have.
According to two-six, there are no dishonest contractors.
That's why I want the plans. If I can show that they did not build what they said they built, then I have a case to show the judge that they have lied in every step along the way. Including, the stream revitilization, landscaping, phasing, etc.
It is like being in the next room. I can hear them on the phone. I can hear exactly what they are saying to each other. I can hear them flush the toilet. And the washing machine, sounds like it's coming through the floor.
imagine what your neighbors must hear.
builder
09-28-04, 10:17 PM
god, i feel sorry for what your neighbors have to hear...yuck
I sleep in the front bedroom. They both sleep in the back. Fuck you Dave.
builder
09-28-04, 10:18 PM
imagine what your neighbors must hear.
FINE. My neighbors hear me riding the bony pony. Fuck em. That's what realtors are for.
damn broken fingers. :teeth:
I sleep in the front bedroom. They both sleep in the back. Fuck you Dave.
no
builder
09-28-04, 10:20 PM
no
Finally, something's going right today.
There is not even a 1-hour firewall between units.
one layer of sheetrock, insulation and another layer of any 1/2" sheathing(sheetrock or OSB) constitutes a one hour firewall. This is the UL approved assembly. You have a firewall. There is no law that requires builders to observe STC (air borne sound) or ICC (vibration) ratings in condos, especially remodeled ones.
The people that lied to you could be liable as long as you have a contract that states what you have mentioned.
damn, dipshit sounds like he knows what he is talking about.
builder
09-28-04, 10:31 PM
one layer of sheetrock, insulation and another layer of any 1/2" sheathing(sheetrock or OSB) constitutes a one hour firewall. This is the UL approved assembly. You have a firewall. There is no law that requires builders to observe STC (air borne sound) or ICC (vibration) ratings in condos, especially remodeled ones.
The people that lied to you could be liable as long as you have a contract that states what you have mentioned.
Is it a firewall even if the floor joists pass through it?
mathmajors
09-28-04, 10:33 PM
FINE. My neighbors hear me riding the bony pony. Fuck em. That's what realtors are for.
That's really bad of you to bring Czar into this.:mad:
Is it a firewall even if the floor joists pass through it?
The floor joist should rest on the one hour firewall, correct?
The ceiling has either 2 layers of sheet rock and 1/2" resilent channel
or
there is one layer of sheet rock on the ceiling and 3/4" gypsum concrete underlayment poured on the upper unit floor.
Either of these ceiling assembles with the 1 hour firewall creates a 1 hour fire rated condo.
builder
09-28-04, 10:44 PM
The floor joist should rest on the one hour firewall, correct?
The ceiling has either 2 layers of sheet rock and 1/2" resilent channel .
No. to either
there is one layer of sheet rock on the ceiling and 3/4" gypsum concrete underlayment poured on the upper unit floor.
HAHA...no.
So if the ceiling only has one layer of sheetrock, then how thick is the subfloor above. It must be 1 1/2" that being 3/4" of plywood and either 3/4" of gypsum or another layer of some type of sheathing for the condo to be 1 hour fire rated.
All that being said, the condo is not required to be fire rated period as long as it is not NEW construction.
You don't have sprinklers do you?
the part about the ceiling joists not resting on the fire wall/party wall(joining unit wall) top plate is impossible unless you have a half wall with a see through gap at the top? The wall must meet the ceiling a some point. As long as the ceiling is rated for 1 hour then the assembly is complete.
builder
09-28-04, 10:55 PM
So if the ceiling only has one layer of sheetrock, then how thick is the subfloor above. It must be 1 1/2" that being 3/4" of plywood and either 3/4" of gypsum or another layer of some type of sheathing for the condo to be 1 hour fire rated.
All that being said, the condo is not required to be fire rated period as long as it is not NEW construction.
You don't have sprinklers do you?
There's plywood on top of the joists (I installed a light fixture that required a new electrical box), and that cheap shit sheathing under the carpet. Not sure about the thickness of either. No sprinklers either.
builder
09-28-04, 10:56 PM
the part about the ceiling joists not resting on the fire wall/party wall(joining unit wall) top plate is impossible unless you have a half wall with a see through gap at the top? The wall must meet the ceiling a some point. As long as the ceiling is rated for 1 hour then the assembly is complete.
The wall does meet the ceiling. I'm surprised at that. I have no idea how the ceiling is put together right now. I only know what I have seen without tearing into it.
lj4three
09-28-04, 10:57 PM
builder- who's the architect and gc for your condo building?
builder
09-28-04, 10:59 PM
I don't know the architect. But the "builder" was Citadel Homes. They have since been replaced by Evergreen Homes. If it's any consolation, Phase 2 was built differently. The partition walls have resilient channels on one side and 1/2" drywall on both.
I don't know the architect. But the "builder" was Citadel Homes. They have since been replaced by Evergreen Homes. If it's any consolation, Phase 2 was built differently. The partition walls have resilient channels on one side and 1/2" drywall on both.
that gives you a STC rating of 48 depending on the insulation if no insulation the STC rating is much lower. You would normally do this assembly at a stairwell.
lj4three
09-28-04, 11:02 PM
I don't know the architect. But the "builder" was Citadel Homes. They have since been replaced by Evergreen Homes. If it's any consolation, Phase 2 was built differently. The partition walls have resilient channels on one side and 1/2" drywall on both.
whats your condo building called?
builder
09-28-04, 11:02 PM
that gives you a STC rating of 48 depending on the insulation if no insulation the STC rating is much lower. You would normally do this assembly at a stairwell.
There are no channels in my place at all. They told me that after I moved in.
Right now, I have an STC of about 38 if it's perfect.
I'm done....I can send you a copy of the sound UL or the fire rating UL....let me know....I got to go find out what' wrong with the fucking dryer.
builder
09-28-04, 11:05 PM
I'm done....I can send you a copy of the sound UL or the fire rating UL....let me know....I got to go find out what' wrong with the fucking dryer.
I've studied the types of construction for STC ratings. Like I said, I need all the info before we hire a lawyer. Just to make sure.
I've studied the types of construction for STC ratings. Like I said, I need all the info before we hire a lawyer. Just to make sure.
Most insulation companies have copies of assemblies for sound. I have copies. Let me know.
If the builder/architect and inspector signed off on the unit then it's yours...not much you can do other than show that there was colusion.
builder
09-28-04, 11:12 PM
It's what I thought.
of course, I've been here 1.5 years and never signed off on the 1year walk through either that I was informed of at closing.
two-six
09-28-04, 11:22 PM
According to two-six, there are no dishonest contractors.
yep, thats EXACTLY how i said it.
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