Juco to 4-Year Baseball

[NCBBallFan]

There are a lot of JUCO players being courted by 4-year colleges right now.... Who's committing where for the Nov. Signing date?

[The "O"]

ball is a great stepping stone for players in any sport! Especially those who haven't figured out the importance of academics yet! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOYA.... :xyzthumbs

[luvsports]

I hear there are so many rules that are required to transfer to 4 yr. college. Can you tell me the requirements to be able to transfer to a D1 or D2 college from juco. If I read right the rules changed after 8-1-03.

[NCBBallFan]

The biggest rule concerning eligibility in your first year at a D1 for a JUCO transfer is how many credits you can transfer. The second thing is are the credits you are receiving towards a recognized degree. I'll cover each separately.

20-40-60-80 Rule

The NCAA has a 20-40-60-80 rule in effect, designed to ensure that players stay on track to graduate within 5 years of starting college. If you are finishing your 2nd year at a JUCO, then you need to have completed 40% of the degree requirements for the University you are transfering to in order to be academically eligible to compete for them that first year.

Which subjects transfer and which don't can vary from institution to institution. If a 4-year college has a tough credit transfer policy, they can effectively block out acceptance of any JUCO transfers to their institution since the athletes won't have sufficient credit hours to compete the next season.

Because of that, each JUCO and potential transfer is a case-by-case study. There are no "generalities" that you can post. Do to differences in the syllabus in a course at JUCO 1 versus JUCO 2, the course at JUCO1 may transfer where the same course taught at JUCO 2 won't. You need to have a list of 4-year colleges in mind when you choose your JUCO and then sit down with your Guidance person and map out an academic schedule of classes that meet the requirements of the institutions that you are interested in. They should know which courses transfer to which institutions.

If you are taking a full course load at your JUCO, you'll need 80% of the courses to be transferable.

Declaring a Major
At the time you enter your Junior year of College, you must have declared a major in order to remain academically eligible to compete. Once your major has been declared, the courses you have taken are then checked against your major to ensure that you meet the 20-40-60-80 rule towards graduation IN THAT MAJOR. This isn't normally a problem unless you initially select a major that isn't a good fit or isn't what you want.

Example: You attend as a Music Major. After 3 semesters, you decide you really don't like anyone in the Music Department and want to transfer to Computer Science. At the end of your 2nd year, you have sufficient credits to be a Junior overall, but don't meet the 40% of the credits required towards a Computer Science Major.... you would loose NCAA eligibility. Tough situation.

These kind of questions are usually not answerable by the Baseball coach. If you are contemplating attending a JUCO as preparation for a 4 year school, you need to sit down with the Guidance people and be educated about the JUCO or Community College, their courses and which colleges accepts them in transfer.

Obviously, you can't go to a JUCO, take 2 years of Auto Mechanics and then expect to play as a Junior at Chapel Hill. It ain't going to happen.

These are just 2 of the rules of the NCAA. There are more, but these are the ones that bite most people.

[NCBBallFan]

Here is the official language on Transfers from the latest NCAA manual:

14.5.4 Two-Year College Transfers. A student who transfers to a member institution from a two-year college or from a branch school that conducts an intercollegiate athletics program must complete an academic year of residence unless the student meets the following eligibility requirements applicable to the division of which the certifying institution is a member. Further, a transfer student-athlete admitted after the 12th class day may not utilize that semester or quarter for the purpose of establishing residency.

( R e v i s e d : 1 / 1 0 / 9 2 )

14.5.4.1 Qualifier. A transfer student from a two-year college who was a qualifier (per Bylaw 14.3.1.1) is eligible for competition in Division I institutions the first academic year in residence only if the student has spent at least one full-time semester or one full-time quarter in residence at the two-year college (excluding summer sessions), presented a minimum grade-point average of 2.000 (see Bylaw 14.5.4.6.3.2) and satisfactorily completed an average of at least 12-semester or - quarter hours of transferable-degree credit acceptable toward any baccalaureate degree program at the certifying institution for each full-time academic term of attendance at the two-year college.

(Revised: 4/24/03 effective 8/1/03; for those students first entering an NCAA institution on a fulltime basis on or after 8/1/03)

This is just two paragraphs from the 496 page manual ... if you want to wade through it, check out Section 14 in particular. Its available online at:

NCAA Manual (http://ncaa.org/library/membership/division_i_manual/2003-04/2003-04_d1_manual.pdf)

This section if particular needs to be reviewed as a quick reference:

The reference to partial qualifier in the following bylaw was deleted at the October 31, 2002, NCAA Division I Board of Directors meeting effective August 1, 2005.
14.5.4.2 Partial Qualifier or Nonqualifier—Sports Other Than Football and Men’s Basketball. In sports other than football and men’s basketball, and in all sports for student-athletes first entering a two-year collegiate institution prior to August 1, 1996, a student who was not a qualifier (per Bylaw 14.3.1.1) is eligible for institutional financial aid, practice and competition the first academic year in residence only if the student

has graduated from the two-year college
has completed satisfactorily a minimum of 48-semester or 72-quarter hours of transferable-degree credit acceptable toward any baccalaureate degree program at the certifying institution
has attended a two-year college as a full-time student for at least three semesters or four quarters (excluding summer terms).
must have a cumulative grade-point average of 2.000

(see Bylaw 14.5.4.6.3.2). (Revised: 1/10/90 effective 8/1/90, 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96

[JM15]

my boy Blake Herring from Lenoir CC committed to Campbell University today before practice.


:applause: :applause: :applause:

[NCBBallFan]

my boy Blake Herring from Lenoir CC committed to Campbell University today before practice.


:applause: :applause: :applause:
Way to go Blake .... :banana: :banana:

Any more out there?

[JM15]

Jacob Allen of Lenoir CC signed with UNC-Pembroke yesterday. Jake is a RHP from Snow Hill, NC. :applause:

[NCBBallFan]

I remember Jacob Allen ... Greene Central HS. I thought he was a SS/3B back in those days ... how long ago did he convert to pitcher only?

[JM15]

Don't know about SS :xyzthumbs but I know he played 1B/3B in HS/Legion ball. He's a big guy... he could play some in the field still but he's hittin 90 from the hump. He had some arm problems 2 years ago, so last year he worked slowly back in the rotation and that pretty much ended his playin days. But he is a very good P now. He can still swing the bat.

[wolfpac]

Erik Lovett from Louisburg signed with NCSU. :applause:

NCSU has a banner class going so far including Justin Upton. Course, the tough part will be getting him to overcome those millions he wil get as the #1 draft pick (more than likely). :rofl:

[NCBBallFan]

From Blue Ridge CC:

RHP Brian Welborn has committed to play baseball at Limestone College. Welborn led the 2004 pitching staff with five saves, 64 strikeouts and a .228 opponents batting average, while posting a 2-1 record as the Bears closer.

Brian graduated from Asheville.

[NCBBallFan]

Jon Cantrell at Louisburg CC has committed to UNC-Wilmington for next fall !!!!

Jon played his prep ball @ Chapel Hill !!!!!

[andro]

These are just some that i've heard. We may have to verify them later:

Brock Thornburg - Spartanburg Methodist - Western Carolina

Mike Finnochi - Louisburg - University of Pittsburgh

Marcus Covington - Louisburg - Winthrop University

[JM15]

Braves:

That "one" pitcher mentioned up top on this thread did not pitch any this fall. Not rushing the injury at all. If not ready to go by January, then some decisions will have to be made. I know he is planning on attending NC State next fall as a student only. Hopefully things will work out this spring for him though. :huh:

[Braves]

How are you doing Jere?...what's the doc say?

[JM15]

Braves: PM

[Braves]

:xyzthumbs

[NCBBallFan]

Joey Timmerman, RHP at Spartenburg Methodist (Stratford HS in Goose Creek SC) has committed to play for Belmont Abbey next season. Timmerman went 5-0 at SMC last year with 40 K's in 32 innings of work. He'll do a good job for the Crusaders !!!! :applause: :applause: