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builder
10-28-04, 12:20 PM
Anyone know of an engineer that deals with residential construction? I know lots of architects but no engineers
chipshot
10-28-04, 12:24 PM
LEONARD M H CONSTRUCTION CO
(704) 333-2221
118 WEST
CHARLOTTE, NC 28203

this guy did a structural inspection on my house before I made an offer on it
kshead
10-28-04, 12:37 PM
I could probably still make you some pesticides if you needed them.

Past that? Fuck off. I have a desk job now.
builder
10-28-04, 12:38 PM
LEONARD M H CONSTRUCTION CO
(704) 333-2221
118 WEST
CHARLOTTE, NC 28203

this guy did a structural inspection on my house before I made an offer on it
awesome. They've been to court before and won. Thanks Chippy!
Rumpeltiltspin
10-28-04, 01:35 PM
I hate engineers. They like to design things so the common man can't work on 'em, and takes a profesional a whole lotta hours (and thus his fee) to fix it, when a twenty cent item and four minutes of work should do the trick.
chipshot
10-28-04, 01:39 PM
I wish I had gone to engineering school instead of deciding to go the stoner route at ASU.
magnus
10-28-04, 01:40 PM
:banana:
Trace
10-28-04, 01:46 PM
Still working on your brick wall?
slydevl
10-28-04, 01:49 PM
Still working on your brick wall?
I don't think builder is concerned about sound at all. I think he has got some Cask of Amontillado shit going on. Anyone seen Topher lately?
meatpile
10-28-04, 01:57 PM
Anyone seen Topher lately?

Was he the guy that wore those really small shirts?
chipshot
10-28-04, 01:59 PM
Was he the guy that wore those really small shirts?

you're thinking of cuda
meatpile
10-28-04, 02:03 PM
you're thinking of cuda

Builder fucked cuda?

I wonder if DaveW still has those pics of Cuda in the wetsuit.
DaveW
10-28-04, 02:04 PM
i posted them here somewhere
gray_penguin
10-28-04, 02:16 PM
I wish I had gone to engineering school instead of deciding to go the stoner route at ASU. I went to Engineering school and wish I had gone the stoner route :huh:
builder
10-28-04, 02:19 PM
Still working on your brick wall?
I'm thinking of moving over to Quiet Rock now. Still undecided, but either way, I'm getting a lawsuit together.
Trace
10-28-04, 02:58 PM
I'm thinking of moving over to Quiet Rock now. Still undecided, but either way, I'm getting a lawsuit together.
Condo construction problems? Would just a good building inspector due?
builder
10-28-04, 03:15 PM
Condo construction problems? Would just a good building inspector due?
Chip's guy is a building inspector with a structural engineer on staff that will prepare a report for me. That's what I need to take to the lawyer.
slydevl
10-28-04, 03:42 PM
Chip's guy is a building inspector with a structural engineer on staff that will prepare a report for me. That's what I need to take to the lawyer.
You got a lawyer that will do this on contingency or hoping to find one. If the later, good luck with that.
builder
10-28-04, 03:52 PM
You got a lawyer that will do this on contingency or hoping to find one. If the later, good luck with that.
Yup. Done and done.
slydevl
10-28-04, 03:57 PM
Yup. Done and done.
Here's the problem with that. You will most likely go to mediation. At that point if the builder feels like he is losing he will probably offer to fix the problem with labor and materials instead of a cash settlement. Your lawyer, working on a contigency will resist this. The mediator could tell you to go fuck yourself because you aren't willing to negotiate.

Ask CharlotteDude how this suing the builder shit works.
Trace
10-28-04, 04:01 PM
Here's the problem with that. You will most likely go to mediation. At that point if the builder feels like he is losing he will probably offer to fix the problem with labor and materials instead of a cash settlement. Your lawyer, working on a contigency will resist this. The mediator could tell you to go fuck yourself because you aren't willing to negotiate.

Ask CharlotteDude how this suing the builder shit works.
Builder vs. builder. Wasn't this a movie in the 80's?
kshead
10-28-04, 04:02 PM
Here's the problem with that. You will most likely go to mediation. At that point if the builder feels like he is losing he will probably offer to fix the problem with labor and materials instead of a cash settlement. Your lawyer, working on a contigency will resist this. The mediator could tell you to go fuck yourself because you aren't willing to negotiate.

Ask CharlotteDude how this suing the builder shit works.

You just described why we howled directly to Ryland's VP's instead of suing them when we were pissed and having problems. It's a LOT more trouble than it was worth. Or to us it was anyway.
BigVito
10-28-04, 04:05 PM
You know if it wasn't for all these frivilous lawsuits against homebuilders and contractors, housing wouldn't be so expensive. Tort reform, baby, so we can house the homeless.




































:banana:
kshead
10-28-04, 04:07 PM
You know if it wasn't for all these frivilous lawsuits against homebuilders and contractors, housing wouldn't be so expensive. Tort reform, baby, so we can house the homeless.

If you come to my house and tell my wife it's frivolous to her face, I shall join you in your crusade. Bring armor and a gun.
BigVito
10-28-04, 04:15 PM
If you come to my house and tell my wife it's frivolous to her face, I shall join you in your crusade. Bring armor and a gun.Objection withdrawn.


:banana:
chipshot
10-28-04, 04:37 PM
If you come to my house and tell my wife it's frivolous to her face, I shall join you in your crusade. Bring armor and a gun.
sounds kinky
builder
10-28-04, 08:11 PM
You just described why we howled directly to Ryland's VP's instead of suing them when we were pissed and having problems. It's a LOT more trouble than it was worth. Or to us it was anyway.
The developer here is the president of the NC homebuilder's Association. He's also one of 4 developers. He's the smart one. He won't lie to you, but he never quite tells the truth. One guy flat out lied to at least 5 of us concerning the way these walls are put together. As of Nov 16, we'll know what we're looking at when the engineer comes out and drills holes in my wall through to the neighbor's. After that, with signed affadavits saying we were lied to plus the fact that they aren't meeting code (none of the electrical outlets are caulked properly to meet the firewall code as I understand it) a lawyer, a structural engineer, and 18 homeowners ready to sue....I think they'll be willing to settle before the matter goes to court. Phase 2 is constructed differently. That's admission of a problem there.
builder
11-16-04, 10:08 AM
The engineer was here this morning and stated that the existing construction does NOT meet industry standard for sound insulation. He will have to doublecheck to make sure the firecode is not correct. We should have a written report to take to the lawyer along with estimates from Jody Cook within 1-2 weeks.

The construction is 2x4 studs, blown cellulose insulation, and one sheet of 5/8" drywall on one side and one sheet of 1/2" drywall on the opposite side of the party wall. The outlets are not caulked for fire ratings either. Nor is the drywall in the attic "stamped" for fire ratings.

We will know more once he has reviewed the 1999 code and sends me the report.

:banana: We're suing.
chipshot
11-16-04, 10:12 AM
Was it Mike Leonard?
Trace
11-16-04, 10:13 AM
The engineer was here this morning and stated that the existing construction does NOT meet industry standard for sound insulation. He will have to doublecheck to make sure the firecode is not correct. We should have a written report to take to the lawyer along with estimates from Jody Cook within 1-2 weeks.

The construction is 2x4 studs, blown cellulose insulation, and one sheet of 5/8" drywall on one side and one sheet of 1/2" drywall on the opposite side of the party wall. The outlets are not caulked for fire ratings either. Nor is the drywall in the attic "stamped" for fire ratings.

We will know more once he has reviewed the 1999 code and sends me the report.

:banana: We're suing.
Outlets caulked? I am sure you are right I just have never heard of an outlet being caulked.
Shrapnel
11-16-04, 10:14 AM
builder hasn't had his outlet caulked in quite awhile and he's getting cranky.
builder
11-16-04, 10:16 AM
Was it Mike Leonard?
Yup. He was here for over an hour. I now have a hole in my wall where I can talk to my neighbors. I just wish they were cute. And gay. :(

Trace, in party wall construction where a 1 hour firewall is required, the outlets should be caulked with a fire rated caulking to insure that a fire on one side of the wall cannot jump to the other unit within an hour.
builder
11-16-04, 10:16 AM
builder hasn't had his outlet caulked in quite awhile and he's getting cranky.
Fuck off. Show me your balls. Are they bruised?
Trace
11-16-04, 10:17 AM
Yup. He was here for over an hour. I now have a hole in my wall where I can talk to my neighbors. I just wish they were cute. And gay. :(

Trace, in party wall construction where a 1 hour firewall is required, the outlets should be caulked with a fire rated caulking to insure that a fire on one side of the wall cannot jump to the other unit within an hour.
Thanks. That makes alot more sense. :xyzthumbs
Shrapnel
11-16-04, 10:17 AM
Fuck off. Show me your balls. Are they bruised?
only the left one
builder
11-16-04, 10:18 AM
only the left one
I'm right handed. That'll work out just fine. :xyzthumbs