Dieting Suck!

[PantherPaul]

Stepped on the scales a few weeks back and noticed a number I wasn't familar with, so it is diet time. I am going the low fat route as historically it works best for me that and I can have the occassional beer. Well occassional went over board and had 7 last night and feel like a bloated cow. Any suggestions to speed things up?

[BearBryant]

after you eat..stick your finger down your throat.

[gutter]

EX-LAX IS THE WAY TO GO.

[Kakia69]

Originally posted by PantherPaul
Stepped on the scales a few weeks back and noticed a number I wasn't familar with, so it is diet time. I am going the low fat route as historically it works best for me that and I can have the occassional beer. Well occassional went over board and had 7 last night and feel like a bloated cow. Any suggestions to speed things up?

I'm on the same page with you. And old pal told me i had put on some weight. Totally aghast the he would say something like that since we cross paths like once every two weeks. But i stepped on the scales last night and didn't like what i saw...and i've been told to always add 5lbs to whatever the scale says in order to get an accurate read (is this a myth?).

So, i've started my diet today. Munch on only fruit. Absolutely no chips, dip, fried foods, meat (chicken is my exception). Drink a lot of water, milk, and juice. Most importantly: Eat only when you are extremely hungry and before 7pm. After 7, just stick to liquids and fruit. Sometimes one thinks they are hungry when they are really only bored.

Must stay active, too. Go on walks, runs, or join a gym and hop on the treadmill (if you like to exercise in AC).

[barracuda]

Originally posted by BearBryant
after you eat... you can stick my "Johnson" down your throat.

[PantherPaul]

Originally posted by Kakia69


i've been told to always add 5lbs to whatever the scale says in order to get an accurate read (is this a myth?).

No idea on this one

So, i've started my diet today. Munch on only fruit. Absolutely no chips, dip, fried foods, meat (chicken is my exception). Drink a lot of water, milk, and juice. Most importantly: Eat only when you are extremely hungry and before 7pm. After 7, just stick to liquids and fruit. Sometimes one thinks they are hungry when they are really only bored.

Must stay active, too. Go on walks, runs, or join a gym and hop on the treadmill (if you like to exercise in AC).
Treadmill and I are getting reaquianted, it is a little easier to diet in summer with the fresh fruits and veggies all over the place. I like water alright but I am going with very lightly sugerred tea. (Is sugerred a word? :) ) I am eating what I want in moderation one time a day usually lunch and then virtually no fat afterwords. Pears, apples etc. Also those rice cake things with carmel flavoring are good

[BearBryant]

fruits have alot of carbs which you will burn before fat.

[PantherPaul]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't

[BearBryant]

yep

[Tiorted Snoil]

I've preached this before but will do so again.

Cut your carbs way down, maybe 30-40 at the most per day. The first 4 days are the hardest, after that you'll shed the weight real fast and you won't be hungry. Eat all of the eggs, meats, and cheeses you want. You are counting carbs not calories. See, once your body is burning fat for energy, it won's store fat, so the fat in the meat and cheese is harmless. You may say your cholesterol will go sky high but the opposite will happen, it will actually drop. Dropping your protein during dieting is a mistake because only protein maintains muscle mass...if you lose muscle mass and then stop dieting, you will gain back all of the lost muscle weight in fat. It is not nearly as hard as it seems....do a search on Atkins and Low Carb and you'll find tons of message boards and recipes. And yes, you can still have your beer....just as long as you count the carbs in your daily total. For example, you could have two Ribeyes for dinner with 7 Miller Lites and still be way under the limit. Another advantage is you lose weight fast so it inspires you to keep with it.

Cardio will help, but the long term answer is weight training to put on muscle. Each pound of muscle takes 50 calories per day just to maintain normal body temp. So if you gain 10 pounds of muscle, that is 500 calories per day or 3500 calories per week...a pound of fat is 3500 calories. See what I mean? You don't have to go the gym evey day and do something boring to burn 500 calories, you can burn the extra 500 without doing anything.

I was up to about 215 with a tight 36 inch waist about 3 years ago. Then someone took a picture of me and I said "I am a fat ass." So I started the low carb thing. I've been going to the gym religously for years but I had gotten to the state where I was "sleepwalking" through the cardio and lifting. Now, I have a loose 34 waiste. I got down to 175 pounds (about 3% body fat) and have put on about 30 pounds of muscle to bring me to 210 (8% body fat).

To maintain, I keep up with the lifting and do something called "carb cycling" where M-Thursday I have about 50-60 grams of carbs and then the rest of the week it is anything goes...including beer, ice cream etc. My body can now metabolise the extra calories so I don't gain any fat.

[Kakia69]

Originally posted by PantherPaul

Treadmill and I are getting reaquianted, it is a little easier to diet in summer with the fresh fruits and veggies all over the place. I like water alright but I am going with very lightly sugerred tea. (Is sugerred a word? :) ) I am eating what I want in moderation one time a day usually lunch and then virtually no fat afterwords. Pears, apples etc. Also those rice cake things with carmel flavoring are good

tea isn't a replacement or a substitute for water. I usually add a little lemon to my water just for flavor. Crystal Light is good as well.

[jeanmarie]

My husband was on the Dr. Atkins diet and gained weight. Now he's on a low Cholestorel diet and walking and has lost 20 lbs.

[slydevl]

He probably cheated.

[gutter]

I eat too much bread and pasta. I was up to 190 last x-mas. It has varied since, but I am at my thinnest in a long time at 172. I drink at least 7 bottles of water a day. I only have one big meal at lunch and usually a sammich or cereal for supper. No breakfast. I can't stick to an exercise regime. I have tried. I hope when things slow down I can start back up. I like to jog just before dark and work out on my Chuck Norris Home gym. That's about it. I am horrible at sticking to it though.

[jeanmarie]

No, smartass - he didn't cheat. Why would anyone want to cheat on the Dr. Atkins diet?

[Patti]

I would love to drink water. But get this. Water makes me nauseous. I know that sounds stupid but it does. My doctor even looked at me like I was crazy. I can drink just a sip or two but anymore than that and I am sick as a dog. Does anyone else have this problem.

And I am addicted to these damn cokes. Cokes is a tougher habit to break than cigarettes!

[Tiorted Snoil]

Originally posted by Kakia69


tea isn't a replacement or a substitute for water. I usually add a little lemon to my water just for flavor. Crystal Light is good as well.

You bring up a good point about drinks with caffeine or other substances that are diuretics (make you urinate). While water is the best choice, you can still get plenty of fluids from coffee or tea. Just because you drink 8 ounces of coffee doesn't mean you are going to urinate out 8 ounces of fluids. Actually, the diuretic effect of 8 ounces of coffee is 2 ounces, so you gain 6 ounces of fluid with each cup.

Consider yourselves enlightened.

[Kakia69]

my attitude on dieting is that you have to find what works for you. What works for me may not work for the next person. Plus, what works for a man may not work for a woman. Men like to gain muscle and women just like to be toned. To each his own.

It's relatively easy for me to lose weight once i put my mind to it...and i'm only aiming to loose 10lbs.

[bunkyboy]

a sammich

yeehaw!!

[slydevl]

The problem is people look at the diet and think "I can eat all this meat and cheese" and they do. But they also sneak in the bread and salad dressing etc so they end up gaining weight.

He may have gained weight but it was probably muscle mass weight. If he gained fat, he was cheating. Probably Twinkies at work.

[Tiorted Snoil]

Originally posted by slydevl
The problem is people look at the diet and think "I can eat all this meat and cheese" and they do. But they also sneak in the bread and salad dressing etc so they end up gaining weight.

He may have gained weight but it was probably muscle mass weight. If he gained fat, he was cheating. Probably Twinkies at work.

if you don't know what you are doing, it is real easy to cheat and not know it. I'd strongly recommend you read the Atkins or Protein Power books. If I hadn't read the book, I would have done it wrong. It'll explain the insulin effect and bunch of other stuff you don't know...Contrary to popular beleif, you can actualy eat more vegatables and fruits than a vegatarian on the diet, you just have to chose the right ones.

It seems to me that if you don't lose 5 or more pounds in the first week, then you are doing it wrong. See, some carbs are stored in the muscle as soemthing called glycogen. Each gram of glycogen keeps 4 grams of water with it. After a week of low carbs, you should have cut into the supply of glycogen pretty heavily and lost at least 5 pounds of water. Even though it is water, you'll still fell a lot thinner...plus it has the effect of motivating you to keep up with it.

[jeanmarie]

Dear Mr. Sly-

Read this carefully - he went by the diet - exactly the way it said in the book. No - he didn't sneak Twinkies at work - he didn't eat bread - no extra dressing, etc.

I was just making the point that my husband was on the diet and followed it just like the book said and gained weight. He is now on a different diet and has lost 20 lbs.

Maybe some people's bodies don't respond to that diet.

[slydevl]

Maybe his body was just responding to all the Goo Goo Clusters he was sneaking behind your back.

[Tiorted Snoil]

Originally posted by Kakia69
Men like to gain muscle and women just like to be toned. To each his own.



Women can get just as good as results as men by adding a little bit of muscle. Normal body fat for a thin woman is 18%, a thin man is 10%. A man putting on 5 pounds of muscle would be the equivalent of a woman putting on 1. Women can put on muscle on and still look attractive, especailly in their legs and shoulders. You don't have testosterone (at least I hope not) so you don't have to worry about turning into a she-man.

The "tone" you are talking about is greatly enhanced by lifting weights in addition to doing cardio.

[BearBryant]

Originally posted by slydevl
Maybe his body was just responding to all the Goo Goo Clusters he was sneaking behind your back.

I think it was the oreos dipped in peanut butter

[slydevl]

It could have been the custom Krispy Kreme doughnuts he was always ordering that were filled with mayonaise instead of vanilla cream.

[Tiorted Snoil]

Originally posted by slydevl
It could have been the custom Krispy Kreme doughnuts he was always ordering that were filled with mayonaise instead of vanilla cream.

actually, you can have all of the mayonaise you want on the diet...it has no carbs...the donut on the other hand is a no no.:D

[Fred]

Originally posted by Tiorted Snoil
I've preached this before but will do so again.

Cut your carbs way down, maybe 30-40 at the most per day. Yes, carbs will burn before fat, but any low-carb diet is dangerous and it don't work folks! The Atkins' Diet gets immediate results but it is not worth it. You WILL gain it back plus more when you go off of it and nobody has the will power to follow this high-fat, low carb diet forever. Low carb, high fat diets screw up the metabolism and can throw you into kidney failure. Ask any dietician about the low carb/high fat diets like Atkins and watch them go barn-yard crazy on you! The only thing that works long-term is changing eating habits and increasing activity to speed up metabolism.

[PantherPaul]

These low carb diets (adkins etc) tell you to eat proteins (steak, cheese etc..) but arn't you trading problems here? All that fat can't be doing your heart any good. I love chicken so that works for me. I used to have high cholestrol but have been taking Lipator for 5+ years and has knocked it down from the 280 range to my current 180 range. I went 6 months eating well (can count on one hand the no no's I ate including 1 pad of butter) and my choloestrol went down a whopping 5 pts! Genetics have screwed me there so medication was my only answer. I like the Body for life diet plan. It seems like a nice combination to the no carbs, verses no fat diets. Although having to drink those shakes seems silly. Someone posted a while back slamming the Body for life diet as nothing more than a promotional gimmic for EAS. Who knows

[Tiorted Snoil]

Originally posted by Fred
Yes, carbs will burn before fat, but any low-carb diet is dangerous and it don't work folks! The Atkins' Diet gets immediate results but it is not worth it. You WILL gain it back plus more when you go off of it and nobody has the will power to follow this high-fat, low carb diet forever. Low carb, high fat diets screw up the metabolism and can throw you into kidney failure. Ask any dietician about the low carb/high fat diets like Atkins and watch them go barn-yard crazy on you! The only thing that works long-term is changing eating habits and increasing activity to speed up metabolism.
I beg to differ here. It is much more unhealthy to be overweight. The diet breaks people's dependance on insulin spiking things like caffeine and coffee. People don't realize that you can become addicted to the insuling spike. As I've said, I've been on it in one form or another for three years and I passed my recent physical with flying colors. To prevent the kidney damage, you have to drink a lot of water, I mean a lot...which you are supposed to do on the diet anyways.

It is not a high fat, low carb...it is just a low carb...if you choose foods that are high in fats, that is your choice, you don't have to.

It is changing eating habits because it is getting away from foods that trigger insulin spikes which will store more fat. The USDA and most dieticians say you need 300 grams of carbs per day. They do not differentiate between people who sit in cubes all day and those who work construction. Are you telling me they both need 300 per day?

Charlotte Medical Group (a large group of physicians here in Charlotte) is for the Atkins diet if it works for the patient....including the dieticians. I know, I asked.

Once you have lost the weight, you go into the maintenance phase which is different for everybody. Most can eat 150 grams/carbs per day to maintain.

[Stargazer]

Originally posted by slydevl
Maybe his body was just responding to all the Goo Goo Clusters he was sneaking behind your back. :rofl:

[PantherPaul]

Originally posted by Tiorted Snoil


It is not a high fat, low carb...it is just a low carb...if you choose foods that are high in fats, that is your choice, you don't have to.



So how many carb grams would you recommend to lose weight? Not in a hurry to do it as if you lose too fast it usually comes back. I am looking at this as a life change. Already picked up my physical activity (walking 2 miles a day at a good clip)

[Tiorted Snoil]

what probably made you gain the fat is that as we get older we lose muscle mass. Muscle is what makes your metabolism humm. Sign up at a gym and get on a basic program for month to get your muscles used to working again, then you can start to put on mass.

Walking is good, the key to doing cardio is knowing what range your heart rate is in. You are probably just getting into the 50% of your max if you are not in good shape. At this rate, you burn fat but you don't burn a lot of calories...so you don't burn that much fat. What you want to do is interval train. You want to get your heart rate up to 85% max for 30 seconds to a minute...then drop you intensity back down until your heart rate is at about 65%..then shoot it back up to 85%. You only need 25 minutes for a good interval workout. This will burn significantly more calories...you won't burn percentagely as much fat as the 55% but you'll burn more...the real benefit is that this will speed up your metabolism for up to 48 hours...this is where you'll burn a lot of fat too.

You probably want to sign up at gym and do the interval stuff on something low-impact.

I posted that Body of Life is just a ploy to sell EAS products. It is. If you want to do it and save money, drink a glass of milk instead of the myoplex. Most supplements give you expensive urine. If you don't beleive me, pick up the latest edition of Muscle Media (it is the swimsuit issue) and read it. The entire magazine is just Bob Phillips preaching his products and his routines.

oh yeah, the carb thing..considering you are working out, you don't want to drop into the glycogen too heavily. Atkins is really for people who don't work out. About 80 grams if you work out for the first two weeks, 20 grams for the first two weeks if you don't.

[PantherPaul]

Originally posted by Tiorted Snoil

What you want to do is interval train. You want to get your heart rate up to 85% max for 30 seconds to a minute...then drop you intensity back down until your heart rate is at about 65%..then shoot it back up to 85%. You only need 25 minutes for a good interval workout. This will burn significantly more calories...you won't burn percentagely as much fat as the 55% but you'll burn more...the real benefit is that this will speed up your metabolism for up to 48 hours...this is where you'll burn a lot of fat too.



How do you get your heart rate up and know that it ios where you want it? I imagine a portable heart rate monitor? How would you know that you are at 85%, everyone is different. I mean I don't want to pull a Darryl Kile.

[gutter]

How many calories do you burn in a nervous breakdown?

[slydevl]

Most not be a lot or Kakia would have already lost that 10 lbs.

[cltbuilder]

Originally posted by jeanmarie
Maybe some people's bodies don't respond to that diet.

When I was at my heaviest, I tried that freaking diet too...And I gained 10 pounds in 2 weeks. As soon as I stopped abiding by the rules, I lost weight. I'm pretty sure I didn't cheat either. My body just stores fat instead of burning it. I can lose weight by cutting out a few things and exercising instead of trying another fad diet. I guess I need to do it again cause my pants are getting tight. :(

[Tiorted Snoil]

Originally posted by PantherPaul


How do you get your heart rate up and know that it ios where you want it? I imagine a portable heart rate monitor? How would you know that you are at 85%, everyone is different. I mean I don't want to pull a Darryl Kile.

You can buy one of those if you want, it will come with a chart...the max heart rate is based on your age...there is a standard chart.

Good machines have heart rate monitors built in. One of my favorites is like a glider but it has arm handles too so you get a whole body workout. Where you grip the handles has a heart rate monitor. Most good gyms have them on their equipment.

You can take your own pulse. Do you know how to do that?

You can also judge it...if you are really out of breath, your heart rate is up there around 85%, if you can carry on a conversation, it is probably less than 65%.

[gutter]

I hope I get a good workout when I'm resisting the straight jacket.

[Tiorted Snoil]

Originally posted by cltbuilder


When I was at my heaviest, I tried that freaking diet too...And I gained 10 pounds in 2 weeks. As soon as I stopped abiding by the rules, I lost weight. I'm pretty sure I didn't cheat either. My body just stores fat instead of burning it. I can lose weight by cutting out a few things and exercising instead of trying another fad diet. I guess I need to do it again cause my pants are getting tight. :(

probably the semen you were drinking:D

[cltbuilder]

Originally posted by gutter
I hope I get a good workout...

I told you gutter...I'm over you. Now let it go.

[cltbuilder]

Originally posted by Tiorted Snoil


probably the semen you were drinking:D

Fuck you, fatass. :D

[PantherPaul]

Originally posted by Tiorted Snoil




You can take your own pulse. Do you know how to do that?

You can also judge it...if you are really out of breath, your heart rate is up there around 85%, if you can carry on a conversation, it is probably less than 65%.

Yes taking pulse is easy, usually in the mid 60's. Funny how my pulse quickens when I am in Cafe Risque

[muff_spelunker]

Originally posted by Tiorted Snoil
I was up to about 215 with a tight 36 inch waist about 3 years ago. Then someone took a picture of me and I said "I am a fat ass." So I started the low carb thing. I've been going to the gym religously for years but I had gotten to the state where I was "sleepwalking" through the cardio and lifting. Now, I have a loose 34 waiste. I got down to 175 pounds (about 3% body fat) and have put on about 30 pounds of muscle to bring me to 210 (8% body fat).

Boo, how do you measure your body fat?

[WilliamJ]

Body For Life (http://www.bodyforlife.com/)

This works...

If a diet doesn't include exercise and proper nutrition it will not work guaranteed....

[Fred]

Originally posted by Tiorted Snoil
Once you have lost the weight, you go into the maintenance phase which is different for everybody. Case and point! A diet itself is hard but once you lose the weight, you have to go on an unrealistic "maintenance phase." It'll last till the first holiday comes around and then here comes every pound you lost and they'll bring some new buddies with them. My brother lost 110 on it and did not do the maintenance phase and immediately gained 125 back. My sister in law lost 20 on it. She DID do the maintenance phase because she saw what happened to my brother. She stayed on it 6 months. One year later- she is 45 pounds above where she was when she went on Atkins. She said if she had wanted to gain 25 pounds, that eating ice cream would have been much easier.

[RSgal]

Originally posted by Fred
Yes, carbs will burn before fat, but any low-carb diet is dangerous and it don't work folks! The Atkins' Diet gets immediate results but it is not worth it. You WILL gain it back plus more when you go off of it and nobody has the will power to follow this high-fat, low carb diet forever. Low carb, high fat diets screw up the metabolism and can throw you into kidney failure. Ask any dietician about the low carb/high fat diets like Atkins and watch them go barn-yard crazy on you! The only thing that works long-term is changing eating habits and increasing activity to speed up metabolism.

Fred speaks the truth...short term dieting leads to short term weight loss, and the more fad dieting you do the more screwed up your metabolism becomes. It's a biological fact. A permanent lifestyle change will give you permanent results. Logical isn't it?

[PantherPaul]

how did I do on this. I went out walking tonight at work concentrating on pushing my fat ass around a predetermined distance. 3 laps around the building(s) I work equals 2 miles. My starting pulse was 74. After 1 lap (~.7 miles) pulse was 124, after 2 laps (~1.4 miles) pulse was 128, and at the end of 2 miles (roughly 32 minutes) pulse was a robust 138. Was I close to the level I needd to be to be burning fat? Oh and it took me 12 minutes to get back to normal pulse rate

[Kakia69]

Originally posted by slydevl
Most not be a lot or Kakia would have already lost that 10 lbs.

what's that supposed to mean? :mad:

[Honeygirl]

I've been there and done that will ALL of the diets - for years! Recently, I went on the Atkins diet - lost 15lbs in the first week - then nothing - not a thing for six weeks afterward. :( Plus, it made me damn grumpy, constipated, and my skin looked spotty and horrid after a couple of weeks - yuck - no thanks!

Now - I've just concentrated on the excercise thing. I swim every morning - (okay, I can only do twelve laps - but it's a good start) and hike up a huge freaking hill every night. Food wise, I've not been too hard on myself. If I want chocolate - I eat it - (in moderation of course)...Basically - I'm just eating moderately, the things that I enjoy - and if I overinduldge, then I work it off the next day.

It may not sound like rocket science - but after years of punishing myself with food, I finally feel that this might just be working for me. I'm not that overweight - but it's been my nemesis for longer than I care to remember. So far - I've lost 35lbs... and I can now wear a G String without my ass gobbling up the string! Go Me! :D

[Tiorted Snoil]

Originally posted by muff_spelunker


Boo, how do you measure your body fat?

I have digital fat calipers....it takes three readings, your thigh, your chest (for men tricep area for women) and your waiste. It then calculates the results for you.

Back to Fred's point...the "maintenance" phase is a misnomer...anytime anyone loses significant weight (50 or more pounds), lifestyle and permanent eating habits need to change. Are you saying that once someone loses 50 pounds they can go back to eating cakes, potatoe chips, french fries, etc like they did before they lost their weight? I think not unless their goal is to gain it all back...the maintenance phase keeps servings of such things low so you don't gain the weight back for long term weight management....again, it is explained in the book.

Fred, before you debate the diet anymore, you need to read the book because everything you bring up will be answered there. Atkins himself screens people who should be on it in the first chapter. The diet is not for everyone and he explains why. For anyone to criticize the diet based on rumors and "what you've heard" is ignorant. I'm not trying to start a fight here, but didn't you say you were 30 pounds overweight? I don't know about you but I don't get stock market advice from people who take residence in the homeless shelter and I wouldn't take weight loss advice from a fat person either.

[Kakia69]

Originally posted by Tiorted Snoil
Fred, before you debate the diet anymore, you need to read the book because everything you bring up will be answered there. Atkins himself screens people who should be on it in the first chapter. The diet is not for everyone and he explains why. For anyone to criticize the diet based on rumors and "what you've heard" is ignorant. I'm not trying to start a fight here, but didn't you say you were 30 pounds overweight? I don't know about you but I don't get stock market advice from people who take residence in the homeless shelter and I wouldn't take weight loss advice from a fat person either.

Don't you think you just may be a fan/poster child of the Atkins diet because it works for you? Alot of the comments made in this thread have been against it. I wouldn't take these comments to be rumors, just honest fact. Your opinions and advice are appreciated, as always, but there is a possibility you may not know everything. (just a thought)

[Tiorted Snoil]

Originally posted by PantherPaul
how did I do on this.


I'd think so...if it were my heart rate then it would be. How old are you? Age is what determines the heart rate ranges....

I'll try to find some literature on the ranges today and post them in this thread.

[Captain Morgan]

I went on the Krispy Kreme/Taco Bell diet and it kicked ass. Very quickly, I got up to 295 pounds and 73% body fat. It's very important to lie on the couch for at least 2 hours per evening and sit on your ass as much as possible at the office.

[slydevl]

Originally posted by Captain Morgan
I went on the Krispy Kreme/Taco Bell diet and it kicked ass. Very quickly, I got up to 295 pounds and 73% body fat. It's very important to lie on the couch for at least 2 hours per evening and sit on your ass as much as possible at the office.

Yeah, but did you get that cushy Homer Simpson stay at home job?

[PantherPaul]

Originally posted by Tiorted Snoil



I'd think so...if it were my heart rate then it would be. How old are you? Age is what determines the heart rate ranges....

I'll try to find some literature on the ranges today and post them in this thread.

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