TBR First Keeper League

[PantherPaul]

I have setup a football league for the serious football players. It will hopefully turn out to be a keeper league. We will keep 4 players from year to year and keep same settings after the first draft. Please only sign up if you plan on continuing to play. set up for 12 teams max but that number can change based upon interest. Here are the settings including league ID and password

League ID#: 135505

League Name: TBR Football For Keeps

Password: Hulka

Draft Type: Live Draft

Draft Time: Fri Aug 19 7:45pm EDT [ Add to My Calendar ]

Max Teams: 12

Scoring Type: Head-to-Head

Start Scoring on: Week 1

Can't Cut List Provider: Yahoo! Sports

Max Moves: No maximum

Max Trades: No maximum

Trade Reject Time: 2

Trade End Date: November 18, 2005

Trade Review: League Votes

Waiver Time: 2 days



Post Draft Players: Follow Waiver Rules

Playoffs: Week 15 and 16 (4 teams)


Roster Positions: QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN

Stat Categories: Passing Yards (50 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (6)
Interceptions (-2)
Rushing Yards (20 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Reception Yards (20 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (5)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Sack (1)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (2)
Block Kick (2)
Points Allowed 0 points (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (4)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (1)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-4)

Fractional Points: Yes

Negative Points: Yes

[hasbeen99]

$$$?

[PantherPaul]

I am guessing we better keep this a freebie. Not having to make it a money league will keep players interested

[magnus]

who's in?

[PantherPaul]

I am in

[Art Vandelay]

In.

[PantherPaul]

How about this. I wanted to add a DL to our rosters but Yahoo wouldn't allow it. It would suck if say Peyton Manning broke his leg in week one and you had to carry a dead spot on your roster fir the whole year just to retain him for next. What if we have a gentlemens agreement that if you have a player that gets put on IR you can waive him and retain him only after you post in the league message board your intentions. By doing this you MUST keep him for next year. In otherwords if a Trent Green/Kurt Warner situation pops ups and the IR player ends up losing his starting gig you still have to keep him until at least after the next years draft. After the season you pick the keeper back up, I print all rosters and then we all post our keepers on the fantasy section of TBR and I'll sticky it

[CalloftheWild]

How about this. I wanted to add a DL to our rosters but Yahoo wouldn't allow it. It would suck if say Peyton Manning broke his leg in week one and you had to carry a dead spot on your roster fir the whole year just to retain him for next. What if we have a gentlemens agreement that if you have a player that gets put on IR you can waive him and retain him only after you post in the league message board your intentions. By doing this you MUST keep him for next year. In otherwords if a Trent Green/Kurt Warner situation pops ups and the IR player ends up losing his starting gig you still have to keep him until at least after the next years draft. After the season you pick the keeper back up, I print all rosters and then we all post our keepers on the fantasy section of TBR and I'll sticky it

I may be in the minority here, but I think this takes away from the fun of a keeper league. Making tough decisions like this is what its about. If the guy's worth keeping, then keep him. If not, take a chance on something else. Personally, I'd be against this rule.

[pantherking]

those are the tough decisions that you must make in a keeper league

do you want to ditch the play this year and try and use that spot on your roster to improve ur team possibly this year ? those are the challenges , if hes a round 1 to 4 guy chances are his value is still great enough that you should hold onto him for years to come

i vote , NO

[DaveW]

I am guessing we better keep this a freebie. Not having to make it a money league will keep players interested


you have this completely backwards

[Faithwarrior118]

I'm up for it either way.

[29ers fan]

I am in TBR 29ers Fan.

[Thelt]

I will play if it is free and we have an online draft. I can not fit another live draft into my schedule.

[DaveW]

A free keeper league? Will be dead before the first season finishes

[meatpile]

Yeah make this a pay and I'm in.

[PantherPaul]

Draft is this Friday (the 19th) at 7:45pm.

[PantherPaul]

Here are season ending rosters
Mine
QB B. Johnson
WR D. Driver
WR J. Horn
RB D. Davis
RB W. McGahee
TE R. McMichael
WR D. Stallworth
WR I. Bruce
WR K. Curtis
WR B. Favre
RB K. Barlow
WR B. Engram
WR A. Bryant
K J. Kasay
DEF Dallas

[PantherPaul]

Yahoo ID cds32002
P. Manning (Ind - QB)
WR C. Johnson
WR Ji. Smith
RB L. Johnson
RB R. Johnson
TE A. Crumpler
W/R F. Taylor
BN A. Toomer
BN G. Jones
BN D. Mason
BN D. Staley
BN A. Smith RB Saints
BN C. Simms
K A. Vinatieri
DEF Tampa Bay

[PantherPaul]

Yahoo ID bigruss30
QB K. Warner
WR P. Burress
WR A. Boldin
RB E. James
RB S. Gado
TE J. Shockey
W/R C. Brown Tenn RB
BN M. Robinson
BN T. Bell
BN D. McNabb
BN M. Shipp
BN R. Ferguson
BN B. Troupe
K J. Hanson
DEF Atlanta

[PantherPaul]

BrainTV
QB E. Manning
WR Ro. Williams
WR E. Wilford
RB S. Jackson
RB L. Tomlinson
TE H. Miller
W/R B. Lloyd
BN B. Edwards
BN A. Chatman
BN M. Bulger
BN B. Jacobs
BN L. Smith
BN D. Jackson
K J. Feely
DEF Denver

[PantherPaul]

Team RotoCLub
D. Garrard
WR R. Moss
WR Ro. Smith
RB T. Jones
RB T. Barber
TE T. Gonzalez
W/R C. Houston
BN T. Brady
BN B. Westbrook
BN M. Muhammad
BN M. Brunell
BN K. Collins
K N. Rackers
DEF Baltimore
NYG - DEF

[PantherPaul]

LarryDs Lords of Disipline
S. McNair
WR L. Fitzgerald
WR S. Smith
RB S. Alexander
RB M. Anderson
TE C. Cooley
W/R A. Johnson
BN C. Williams
BN K. Jones
BN M. Bennett
BN R. Fitzpatrick
BN M. Morris
BN R. Moats
K S. Graham
DEF Chicago

[PantherPaul]

Yahoo ID Call of the Wild21 :wtf23:
QB M. Hasselbeck
WR H. Ward
WR M. Harrison
RB R. Brown
RB S. Davis
TE J. Stevens
W/R T. Holt
BN J. Delhomme
BN T. Williamson
BN T. Owens
BN C. Benson
K L. Tynes
BN M. Vanderjagt
DEF Carolina

[PantherPaul]

Faithwarriors Club
QB C. Palmer
WR D. Branch
WR Ma. Jones WR Jax
RB L. Jordan
RB J. Jones
TE Da. Clark
W/R J. Lewis
BN C. Taylor
BN J. Porter
BN K. Orton
BN M. Moore
BN J. Witten
BN G. Lewis
K J. Brown
DEF New York

[PantherPaul]

Y2B Roster
D. Brees
WR S. Moss
Joe Jurevicious
RB R. Williams
RB D. Foster
TE B. Watson
W/R K. McCardell
BN Ke. Johnson
BN W. Parker
BN S. Heiden
BN M. Vick
BN J. Bettis
K J. Wilkins
DEF Pittsburgh
(NE - DEF)

[PantherPaul]

Mags Roster
J. Plummer
WR L. Evans
WR A. Lelie
RB C. Portis
RB R. Droughns
TE T. Heap
W/R B. Finneran
BN B. Franks
BN Mi. Clayton
BN D. Givens
BN T. Green
BN Ma. Clayton
BN D. Bennett
K R. Lindell
DEF Seattle

[PantherPaul]

Yahoo ID tarhirule
QB D. Culpepper
WR R. Wayne
C. Chambers (Mia - WR)
RB D. McAllister
RB W. Dunn
TE A. Gates
W/R L. Coles
BN E. Kennison
BN T. Houshmandzadeh
BN J. Harrington
BN M. Pittman
BN J. Kleinsasser
K M. Stover
(Ind - DEF)
(Cin - DEF)

[PantherPaul]

YAHOO ID clarkwendel17
QB J. Losman
WR J. Galloway
WR T. Glenn
RB M. Barber
RB C. Dillon
TE M. Pollard
W/R T. Duckett
BN E. Moulds
BN B. Stokley
BN D. Bledsoe
BN D. Rhodes
BN B. Roethlisberger
K S. Janikowski
DEF Detroit

[y2b]

Y2B Roster
D. Brees
WR S. Moss
Joe Jurevicious
RB R. Williams
RB D. Foster
TE B. Watson
W/R K. McCardell
BN Ke. Johnson
BN W. Parker
BN S. Heiden
BN M. Vick
BN J. Bettis
K J. Wilkins
DEF Pittsburgh
(NE - DEF)

hmmm...how many do I get to keep?

[The Brain]

hmmm...how many do I get to keep?4, but my question is, how do we keep them? Will they be auto assigned next year? Do we just post in here who we want? If they're auto assigned, how will that affect the normal draft procedure?

[PantherPaul]

We designate them here. Then next year we draft our 4 keepers in round 1-4. We'll have to draft earlier in case someone fucks things up. That'l give us time to make necesssary trades

[rotocub]

Do we have to keep 4?

[PantherPaul]

Do we have to keep 4?
I suppose not?

[Smity1963]

hjhj

[y2b]

Yahoo has a setting where you can hold your draft at like a bar or something and then enter the teams & players manually...I'm sure there's a setting somewhere...

[Collin]

The easiest way is just to have people set their pre-rankings to have their 4 keepers at the top of their draft list, and then to have all the people who are at the draft agree to take the player's they're supposed to have in those first four rounds.

[PantherPaul]

Thank you Brain for reminding me. All folks that were in the keeper league please copy and paste your roster here (I put the final rosters up here already) and Highlight your 4 keepers. If by the end of the preseason an owner hasn't done this then I assume you are out and another owner will be sought out

[PantherPaul]

Here are season ending rosters
Mine
QB B. Johnson
WR D. Driver
WR J. Horn
RB D. Davis
RB W. McGahee
TE R. McMichael
WR D. Stallworth
WR I. Bruce
WR K. Curtis
WR B. Favre
RB K. Barlow
WR B. Engram
WR A. Bryant
K J. Kasay
DEF DallasGod this team sucks in epic proportions

[PantherPaul]

Here are the settings and draft date for this years keeper league draft. It has all the same settings from last year.

League ID#: 94770
League Name: TBR For Keeps
Password: Puttingood
Draft Type: Live Draft
Draft Time: Wed Aug 23 9:30pm EDT [ Add to My Calendar ]
Max Teams: 12
Scoring Type: Head-to-Head
Start Scoring on: Week 1
Can't Cut List Provider: Yahoo! Sports
Max Moves: No maximum
Max Trades: No maximum
Trade Reject Time: 2
Trade End Date: November 17, 2006
Trade Review: League Votes
Waiver Time: 2 days
Post Draft Players: Free Agents
Playoffs: Week 15 and 16 (4 teams)
Roster Positions: QB, WR, WR, RB, RB, TE, W/R, K, DEF, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN, BN
Stat Categories: Passing Yards (50 yards per point)
Passing Touchdowns (6)
Interceptions (-2)
Rushing Yards (20 yards per point)
Rushing Touchdowns (6)
Reception Yards (20 yards per point)
Reception Touchdowns (6)
Return Touchdowns (6)
2-Point Conversions (2)
Fumbles Lost (-2)
Offensive Fumble Return TD (6)
Field Goals 0-19 Yards (3)
Field Goals 20-29 Yards (3)
Field Goals 30-39 Yards (3)
Field Goals 40-49 Yards (4)
Field Goals 50+ Yards (5)
Point After Attempt Made (1)
Sack (1)
Interception (2)
Fumble Recovery (2)
Touchdown (6)
Safety (2)
Block Kick (2)
Points Allowed 0 points (10)
Points Allowed 1-6 points (7)
Points Allowed 7-13 points (4)
Points Allowed 14-20 points (1)
Points Allowed 21-27 points (0)
Points Allowed 28-34 points (-1)
Points Allowed 35+ points (-4)
Fractional Points: Yes
Negative Points: Yes

[rotocub]

I'm in. Still gotta decide on my keepers.

[The Brain]

IN but I'm not 100% on my keepers yet... a couple of them yes, but all of them no.

[Art Vandelay]

Yahoo ID cds32002
P. Manning
WR C. Johnson
WR Ji. Smith
RB L. Johnson
RB R. Johnson
TE A. Crumpler
W/R F. Taylor
BN A. Toomer
BN G. Jones
BN D. Mason
BN D. Staley
BN A. Smith RB Saints
BN C. Simms
K A. Vinatieri
DEF Tampa Bay


There's mine.

[y2b]

Y2B Roster
D. Brees
WR S. Moss
Joe Jurevicious
RB R. Williams
RB D. Foster
TE B. Watson
W/R K. McCardell
BN Ke. Johnson
BN W. Parker
BN S. Heiden
BN M. Vick
BN J. Bettis
K J. Wilkins
DEF Pittsburgh
(NE - DEF)

undecided on my forth...i'm thinking Key only because i see him getting more short yardage td's than smitty early...funny thing is i thought having r.williams last year would be huge for me this year...okay, i guess it's not so funny

for now, i'll go pittsburgh DEF...they're worth a forth round pick

[The Brain]

BrainTV
QB E. Manning
WR Ro. Williams
WR E. Wilford
RB S. Jackson
RB L. Tomlinson
TE H. Miller
W/R B. Lloyd
BN B. Edwards
BN A. Chatman
BN M. Bulger
BN B. Jacobs
BN L. Smith
BN D. Jackson
K J. Feely
DEF Denver:trophy:

[CalloftheWild]

Browncoats- still thinking about the others

Yahoo ID Call of the Wild21
QB M. Hasselbeck
WR H. Ward
WR M. Harrison
RB R. Brown
RB S. Davis
TE J. Stevens
W/R T. Holt
BN J. Delhomme
BN T. Williamson
BN T. Owens
BN C. Benson
K L. Tynes
BN M. Vanderjagt
DEF Carolina

[Big Russ]

Yahoo ID bigruss30
QB K. Warner
WR P. Burress
WR A. Boldin
RB E. James
RB S. Gado
TE J. Shockey
W/R C. Brown Tenn RB
BN M. Robinson
BN T. Bell
BN D. McNabb
BN M. Shipp
BN R. Ferguson
BN B. Troupe
K J. Hanson
DEF Atlanta

for now.

[magnus]

Mags Roster
J. Plummer
WR L. Evans
WR A. Lelie
RB C. Portis
RB R. Droughns
TE T. Heap
W/R B. Finneran
BN B. Franks
BN Mi. Clayton
BN D. Givens
BN T. Green
BN Ma. Clayton
BN D. Bennett
K R. Lindell
DEF Seattle
Do I have to keep guys? If the top 4 picks are keepers, and it doesn't matter where we drafted, the only guy I'd pick in the top 4 rounds is hurt.

[CalloftheWild]

Do I have to keep guys? If the top 4 picks are keepers, and it doesn't matter where we drafted, the only guy I'd pick in the top 4 rounds is hurt.

So should the keepers be the last picks? Everyone leaves the keepers alone, and start drafting w/ round one and keep picking until you fill your roster minus your keepers. Then pick your keepers last.

[magnus]

So should the keepers be the last picks? Everyone leaves the keepers alone, and start drafting w/ round one and keep picking until you fill your roster minus your keepers. Then pick your keepers last.that's what I'm trying to figure out, how they plan on doing this. I always assumed keepers were kept at their correct round, but nobody bothered to put that info down apparently.

Whoever's deciding the rules, LMK so I can decide if I want to keep any of these jackbags on my roster.

[Collin]

This obviously should have been decided beforehand, but there are a couple of different ways in which leagues handle keepers.

#1) Keep X number of players in the round that they were drafted. Personally I like this method because it allows for a wider variety of players to be kept, but the problem is that it can cause severe competitive imbalance if someone drafts a relative unknown near the end of the draft and he suddenly becomes a fantasy stud. Also, you usually need some sort of limit on how many years a player can be kept in this system. You don't want Larry Johnson being a 6th round pick for the next five plus years, for instance.

#2) Keep X number of players based on the round they were drafted, but bump them up one round for every year that they're kept. This is one way of getting around the aforementioned problem if you don't favor limitations on how long a player can be kept by one team. So, for instance, if you drafted Larry Johnson in the 6th round then he would count as a 5th round pick this year, a 4th round pick next year, etc.

#3) Allocate keepers to either the first X or last X number of rounds in the draft regardless of their original draft position. This is probably the least confusing approach, and while it does tend to mean that only a fairly small group of players are worthy of keeper consideration and thus there is somewhat less strategy involved, it tends to avoid some of the competitive imbalance issues in the other models.

[magnus]

yeah, having not decided it really screws things, as does the idea that everyone's already made their intentions clear before this was decided.

idea two with the stipulation that a 2nd year keeper is a first round pick (or next highest in the case of multiples) is the way I'd go about it. I've also seen leagues where you can't keep a guy more than one extra year.

But yeah, it'd be nice for a decision to be made here.

[PantherPaul]

Select your keepers and they are the first players to be drafted. No matter where you fall on the draft order (selected by YAhoo) you draft your keepers) If you can't be there then predraft with your keepers 1-

[rotocub]

WR R. Moss
RB T. Barber
TE T. Gonzalez
BN B. Westbrook

[y2b]

what sucks is not knowing who's gone already before the draft...

when is the draft?

[y2b]

tried signing in, says password incorrect...

[magnus]

six whole teams in this one. what a scorcher.

[PantherPaul]

If we don't get at least 8 I am disbanding this league

[y2b]

tried signing in, says password incorrect...

.

[PantherPaul]

.
Anyone having problems logging in PM me your yahoo email addy and I'll shoot you an invite

[PantherPaul]

If we don't get at least 8 I am disbanding this league

7 pm and still only 6 people. Oh well. League is done

[rotocub]

7 pm and still only 6 people. Oh well. League is done

Good. Didn't even realize the draft was this early.

[PantherPaul]

I didn't get around to killing the league pre draft so there are 6 rosters out there. I know I have my 4 keepers but not sure about the other 5 teams in there. I'll keep a full team of starters each week for shits and grins

[DaveW]

A free keeper league. rofl...This might be the only one in the world.

[DaveW]

08-09-05, 08:06 AM
DaveW
Stoopid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,322

A free keeper league? Will be dead before the first season finishes





I was close

[magnus]

the upside is that after deciding on 4 keepers, and then 5, now we're up to 11. :blah:

[DaveW]

11 keepers?

[magnus]

11 keepers?
I'm mocking Paul, who kept upping the number of keepers at random

[DaveW]

I'm mocking Paul, who kept upping the number of keepers at random


pauls rulebook is worse than nascars

[Bunky]

nice

08-09-05, 08:06 AM
DaveW
Stoopid Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 21,322

A free keeper league? Will be dead before the first season finishes





I was close